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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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  • Kagome's organization is/was hostile towards Cloud, to the point where Cloud would go to great effort to conceal that they've broken one of the organization's codes.
  • Kagome's organization has permanent/semi-permanent R&D facilities.
    • These R&D facilities must have existed quite a while ago, given that the event happened a few years before Kagome became a hermit, which was a long time before today.
    • That there are R&D facilities suggests the organization puts a high value on learning new things. Probably has something to do with what Kagome was talking about with Seals being the way to stop Hagoromo and Hamura from ruining humanity forever.
  • Kagome passed that information to "Higher", implies the organization has a hierarchical structure, or at least a central authority.
    • The way he was promoted to Black Two after noticing that Cloud cracked Steel Tree suggests the normal style of hierarchy over more exotic possible organization structures.
Going forward, keep in mind that wherever Kagome came from, they're big. If they don't include hundreds of ninja, they're punching way above their weight class by picking fights with major village(s). If they do have that kind of manpower, they're either a known faction or masterfully hidden. If they're so well hidden that we don't know about them, how does Cloud?
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
Oh, I almost forgot!
  • Kagome's organization is/was hostile towards Cloud, to the point where Cloud would go to great effort to conceal that they've broken one of the organization's codes.
  • Kagome's organization has permanent/semi-permanent R&D facilities.
    • These R&D facilities must have existed quite a while ago, given that the event happened a few years before Kagome became a hermit, which was a long time before today.
    • That there are R&D facilities suggests the organization puts a high value on learning new things. Probably has something to do with what Kagome was talking about with Seals being the way to stop Hagoromo and Hamura from ruining humanity forever.
  • Kagome passed that information to "Higher", implies the organization has a hierarchical structure, or at least a central authority.
    • The way he was promoted to Black Two after noticing that Cloud cracked Steel Tree suggests the normal style of hierarchy over more exotic possible organization structures.
Going forward, keep in mind that wherever Kagome came from, they're big. If they don't include hundreds of ninja, they're punching way above their weight class by picking fights with major village(s). If they do have that kind of manpower, they're either a known faction or masterfully hidden. If they're so well hidden that we don't know about them, how does Cloud?
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It's likely to be one of cloud's neighbor.
 
MadScientist said:
Hazou seems really stressed and unhappy at the moment. It's understandable, but that doesn't make it less of a problem.

I suggest that we put something in the next plan to try to cheer him up.
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Let's go finish up our volunteering at the library. We need to get that done, keep our promise.

Also, we could still do lunch with Shikamaru.

Threnodist said:
Does this seem suspicious to anybody else? Jiraiya is an incredibly experienced ninja and a spymaster to boot. Not saying the name of a certain clan seems like OPSEC/counter-espionage 101. Seems to me that he let it out intentionally for some reason.
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He's still adjusting to the idea of Hazou being in his clan rather than being a Kurosawa, and he corrected himself once he remembered.

Inferno Vulpix said:
Oh, I almost forgot!
  • Kagome's organization is/was hostile towards Cloud, to the point where Cloud would go to great effort to conceal that they've broken one of the organization's codes.
  • Kagome's organization has permanent/semi-permanent R&D facilities.
    • These R&D facilities must have existed quite a while ago, given that the event happened a few years before Kagome became a hermit, which was a long time before today.
    • That there are R&D facilities suggests the organization puts a high value on learning new things. Probably has something to do with what Kagome was talking about with Seals being the way to stop Hagoromo and Hamura from ruining humanity forever.
  • Kagome passed that information to "Higher", implies the organization has a hierarchical structure, or at least a central authority.
    • The way he was promoted to Black Two after noticing that Cloud cracked Steel Tree suggests the normal style of hierarchy over more exotic possible organization structures.
Going forward, keep in mind that wherever Kagome came from, they're big. If they don't include hundreds of ninja, they're punching way above their weight class by picking fights with major village(s). If they do have that kind of manpower, they're either a known faction or masterfully hidden. If they're so well hidden that we don't know about them, how does Cloud?
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Could be he's from a minor village. Could be Kagome worked for a ROOT type organization for a major village. Could be that Cloud is aware but Mist isn't. Could be that Mist and other villages keeps knowledge of Kagome's former group on a need to know basis. Plenty of possible reasons, really.
 
Sound isn't actually all that far away.

... Kagome is an Orochimaru plant, isn't he.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
Oh, I almost forgot!
  • Kagome's organization is/was hostile towards Cloud, to the point where Cloud would go to great effort to conceal that they've broken one of the organization's codes.
  • Kagome's organization has permanent/semi-permanent R&D facilities.
    • These R&D facilities must have existed quite a while ago, given that the event happened a few years before Kagome became a hermit, which was a long time before today.
    • That there are R&D facilities suggests the organization puts a high value on learning new things. Probably has something to do with what Kagome was talking about with Seals being the way to stop Hagoromo and Hamura from ruining humanity forever.
  • Kagome passed that information to "Higher", implies the organization has a hierarchical structure, or at least a central authority.
    • The way he was promoted to Black Two after noticing that Cloud cracked Steel Tree suggests the normal style of hierarchy over more exotic possible organization structures.
Going forward, keep in mind that wherever Kagome came from, they're big. If they don't include hundreds of ninja, they're punching way above their weight class by picking fights with major village(s). If they do have that kind of manpower, they're either a known faction or masterfully hidden. If they're so well hidden that we don't know about them, how does Cloud?
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Argh. I should have checked the worldbuilding / maps / etc docs more carefully. @OliWhail just reminded me that it wasn't Cloud that broke Steel Tree, it was Wind. Fixed in chapter.

Threnodist said:
Does this seem suspicious to anybody else? Jiraiya is an incredibly experienced ninja and a spymaster to boot. Not saying the name of a certain clan seems like OPSEC/counter-espionage 101. Seems to me that he let it out intentionally for some reason.
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Enjou said:
He's still adjusting to the idea of Hazou being in his clan rather than being a Kurosawa, and he corrected himself once he remembered.
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What @Enjou said.


Enjou said:
Also, we could still do lunch with Shikamaru.
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That already happened. I didn't have the spoons to write it, but @Velorien might do it in his update or else it will just have happened offscreen.
 
huhYeahGoodPoint said:
... there is no village of Wind. Did you mean Sand?
That would narrow it down to River or ... Rain.
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When I originally wrote 'Cloud' I was thinking it was a country, not a village. Ergo, when I changed it I continued referencing a country.


Enjou said:
@eaglejarl - did we read the sealing book that Jiraiya gave us and go through the new seals?
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You read some of the book but have not finished it yet. Yes, you've got all the seals loaded into Iron Nerve already.
 
Three Reasons Why Kagome is Rain:
1. Plot
2. Plot
2.5. Plot
2.75. Plot
2.875. Plot
3. Rain is probably the either the most advanced or second most advanced nation in the EN and likely has a city large enough to sustain level black two codings and the military structure imposed by Hanzo of the Salamander to require it Plot.
 
1. On invisible ink: is there any ink that becomes invisible a certain period after writing? Or can be made to become invisible? If the problem is either the conceptual invisibility or transparency of the ink, that might bypass it.

What about drawing with Chakra ink on paper drenched in regular ink?

2. On flash step: it's a technique that takes clothes along; presumably weapons too. Do extended weapons count for the purpose of pathing?

This depends if there's a fundamental energetic reason for the valid-path rule or it's a patch for a broken technique.

3. I guess we know how Jiraiya is gonna die now. Sealing is only gonna get more lethal from here on out...
 
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I have an idea for why invisible ink doesn't infuse. Do we know if it's possible to do a seal in blood or dye?

Both of the invisible inks we saw are chemically unprocessed biologicals. If they have their own native chakra, it could be interfering with infusion attempts.
 
Well, at least we can still try sealing with Nob's already infused chakra water as ink. We should have brought some of it along if we were testing anyway.

-what are the chances that the chakra infusing into invisible ink just became... invisible? They didn't sense the chakra being absorbed by the ink, but it doesn't sound as if they've actually tried to make a seal with it anyway yet.



eaglejarl said:
"Not for guarding, dummy. For petting. Now, we'll also want some spikes—"
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I love Kagome so much.



1234qwerty said:
There is one genjutsu we know that notably effects emotions, albeit weakly, and it does seem to function indirectly, relying on commonly pleasant associations.

We really should look into genjutsu more; it's really weird. How does it function at a distance? Is there a stream of chakra from caster to target? Does the chakra manifest directly in the target's brain? If so, does it overcome the diffusion problem? We still haven't tested whether genjutsu work via telescopes.

If they do overcome diffusion, a potential defense against suicide bombers could be a Hyuuga genjutsu master sitting in a telescopic, magnifying sphere over Konoha. Or a regular genjutsu master Kabuto has grafted extra eyeballs onto. Forcing intruders to kai might also make it easier to detect them with chakra sensors. Hmm, have we tested whether Noburi can no sell genjutsu by constantly trying to drain chakra via the moisture on his eyeballs? This should work if genjutsu uses some sort of chakra stream. For that matter, can he drain targets inside himself? Like if he swallowed a goldfish? Maybe we could turn him into an honorary Aburame...

The moon eye genjutsu plan overcomes the diffusion problem somehow. Assuming the moon eye plan from canon still works in MfD, let's assume it requires an amount of chakra on the level of the 10-tailed beast. Let's assume it has as much chakra as all of the ninja in the EN combined and call average CP 50. The land of fire has a population of 300k, of that, 1.5k ninjas. Assume similar ninja incidence and 1.5 million total population of EN, leads to 7500 ninja total, times 50 = 375,000CP. For these purposes, underestimating is 'worse,' or I'd add in 1CP per civilian to this total as well. If it costs 8CP for Mari to cast a genjutsu at 20m and 375,000CP to cast a jutsu from the moon(384.4 million meters, ignoring that it has to make a round trip), linear scaling would predict a genjutsu with a 5km range to cost just under 13CP.

Also, maybe the Yamanaka techniques influence life force some how? Or wood release, since it makes living things? The 'beast transformation' of the Inuzuka clan may be an intermediary between the old and current versions of the transformation technique.

New chapter commentary: Nature chakra is a thing. Apparently it's correlated with high incidence of chakra beasts, but not necessarily causal. Noburi is interested in eliminating chakra beasts, so we should mention the idea of neutralizing them with Wakahisa water overcharging to stunt their chakra coil growth at a young age, hopefully preventing development of dangerous features in the first place. Not hard to test. Is the brass infusion thing old news? Learning that is a first for me. The invisible ink not working for infusion seems like a thing some higher power may have meddled with, especially if it's not a fan of sealing. Still haven't tried ink that starts off visible, then becomes invisible through some process. Also dipping finished seals into normal ink to make black pages, though there's probably a reason this isn't already done. Note: we know about shadow clone in character; Kagome mentioned it when talking about Dummy. Kagome is apparently not from Cloud, but potentially from somewhere nearby. I think we now have enough info to narrow his origin down considerably.
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Trying to work on sealing interpretations of genjutsu is probably above Hazou's level right now, but what about poor-man's genjutsu aka killing intent? The ability to crank that out in enormous quantity would be quite powerful.
 
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