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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Radvic said:
So, let's talk about Hazou's personal combat. How do we want to approach it?

I figure there's a few ways we can go. I'll outline them here:
  • Taijutsu/skills and Tac Move
    • Use Roki, Taijutsu, and maybe throw in a couple seals to boot
    • Requires leveling Taijutsu and Tac Move
    • Syncs with leveling Deception and Roki
    • Requires coming up with rules for "how does using a Macerator and other seals in combat work?"
    • Helped by developing new personal combat seals
  • Seals on Seals on Seals on Tac Move
    • Run around trying not to get hit while tossing/dropping seals around like they're candy
    • Requires leveling Tac Move and Sealing
    • Requires building armor with gadgets and things
    • Requires developing new personal combat seals
  • Punch Them All!
    • Just go full spirit of Youth! Punch things until they die.
    • Level Taijutsu, Roki, and Tac Move (and Deception)
Of these, I'd argue we're currently in a "punch them all" style. To my knowledge, Skywalkers are the only seal we have which we have nailed down combat rules for. Ideally, I'd like us to get to either of the first two levels of combat. That said, I'm reasonably confident that if we get into combat in the near future, the QMs would need to lightning quick determine a whole new set of combat bonuses and rules to account for things like Hazou's seal rings and various tricks we'd suggest depending on how the combat works out.

Do we have suggestions for how all of our personal combat seal ideas would work out mechanically for the QMs to look over and pick between? Also, do we want to focus on leveling Tac Move and sealing for combat, or also level Taijutsu and Roki?
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Honestly, puppeteering seems perfect for him.
 
Before you write up a ton of new rules, I'd like to remind everyone that I'm attempting a system rewrite that should both simplify and incentivise dice bonuses.
 
Cariyaga said:
Get a bunch of LBFs set up inside the puppet so you can trigger seals... Mmn, that does seem good.
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According to the wiki, chakra threads can conduct chakra into the target and even allow chakra-depleted puppets to use the puppeteer's ninjutsu they don't themselves know, so activating seals as normal shouldn't be a problem. I think I also remember something about a seal-kunai-spam attack based on invisible chakra threads. Chakra threads might even be something to look into for safer infusions.
 
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Lailoken said:
According to the wiki, chakra threads can conduct chakra into the target and even allow chakra-depleted puppets to use the puppeteer's ninjutsu they don't themselves know, so activating seals as normal shouldn't be a problem. I think I also remember something about a seal-kunai-spam attack based on invisible chakra threads. Chakra threads might even be something to look into for safer infusions.
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I'd say Kagome would be doing this already if it didn't have some downside, but then again, he didn't even know about the Alarm seal.
 
Chakra diffusion problem? Chakra stuff can't operate a certain distance. It's likely that the energy needed to infuse a seal drop pretty fast.
 
Kiba said:
Chakra diffusion problem? Chakra stuff can't operate a certain distance. It's likely that the energy needed to infuse a seal drop pretty fast.
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I think the chakra diffusion problem is if you want the chakra to move without physical conduits. So if you had a wire conducting chakra to the seal, that would suffer negligible losses on such a small scale.

We do know, though, that activating seals isn't as simple as just exposing the seal to chakra. The Skywaddlers required us using our hands to activate and deactivate them, so perhaps a wire just can't replicate that kind of pulse? If so, we could design a seal that activates from wire-style chakra and pulses with a human-like chakra pulse.
 
I don't have definite citations, but I can tell you that master-class puppeteers can carry their own puppets and levitate them many feet in the air, and do the same with humans even if they resist.

Two possible limits come to mind:
  • First, the Thousand Hands Manipulation Force technique, after being used, apparently needs to be detached from the puppet after use. The wiki claims it was for mobility purposes, but it's also possible Sasori didn't think such a massive army of hands could be useful against an equally skilled puppeteer with a 'puppet' focusing on superhuman strength/durability (which makes the hands a liability).
  • Second, the Three Jewels Suction Crushing, when used, was enough to drag some of Sasori's Hundred Puppets into the suction despite whatever resistance Sasori could muster. This also suggests an upper limit to the tensile strength of chakra threads; however it should be noted that Sasori's individual control over puppets was limited and it's possible his concentration wasn't as good when the technique was being used.
Edit: Also, Omoi managed to cut Edo Sasori's strings with his sword. So there's that.
 
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Omake: Dreams and Lists​


Hazou lay down in his appartment. He was frustrated. He'd come so close to seeing Akane again, but still wasn't able to. After finally arriving in Leaf, he found that he was further than ever from Akane. He sighed. At least she was safe here. Maybe safer than she ever was with me. He drifted off to sleep, tossing and turning in his bed.

---​

Hazou glanced through the leaves. Noburi was unconscious with a broken barrel and Keiko lay tied to a tree. The Liberator nin were interrogating Akane. Crap. They figured out she wasn't on their side. Gotta go!

Hazou dropped down from the branch and charged the ninjutsu user, trying to save Akane from his finger spark jutsu. She was injured and couldn't fight back well! He had to protect her! He had to protect everyone! But the Taijutsu genin got in the way.

Focusing, he ignored the shouts around him and began exchanging blows with Bosatsu. Finally, he managed a critical blow, crushing his heart and revealing the way to Ken who had just turned to fight him.

Behind Ken was --doesn't matter, need to win. Ignoring more panicked yelling, Hazou rushed Ken preventing his escape. After closing range and blocking a couple sparks with his arm, Hazou turned Ken's face to pulp. Turning around, he saw Mirai closing in on him, with bloody scythe drawn.

Gotta stay focused. Standing his ground until the last minute, Hazou pivoted in a blur of motion spinning the glaive wielding opponent's blade into her own abdomen. Victorious, Hazou looked around the battlefield.

There was Ken, fist sized hole in face - not a threat. There was Bosatsu, chest crushed - not a threat. There was Mirai, blood pouring from her mouth and blade protruding from her stomach - not a threat. Relieved, Hazou sighed and looked around for his allies. Gotta free everyone, find Inoue, and get out.

There was Noburi, bruised and unconscious, barrel broken beside him. Probably a liability, but what else is new.

There was Keiko, Hazou frowned. Had she been that wounded before? He rushed to her side and found blood pouring from her neck, eyes closed and face set in a defeated expression. "Keiko!" Hazou shouted. He felt for a pulse. There was none.

Turning, he ran to Akane. Her eyes had burst from Ken's sparks, and her back was broken. "Akane?" He murmured approaching, hoping for any sign of life. Her lips were moving! She was alive! He knelt closer to hear her.

"Sensei... is that you? I can't... see you. Where…. are you? Sorry I… I couldn't be… youthful… like... you..." her voice trailed off into nothing.

---​

"Ahhhrrrgg" Noburi gasped as a tentacle from the ocean picked him up, acid eating away at his skin.

"Die stinkers!" Kagome threw an explosive seal at the beast. It's arm holding Noburi exploded. So did Noburi.

"Kagome!" Akane shouted.

Kagome stared in shock, unmoving.

"Kagome! Look Out!" Akane bolted past him. "Flames Of Youth!!!" She shouted as she punched the appendage reaching for Kagome. Her fist sunk into the limb, acid oozing around her hand. The tentacle retreated, as Mari finished off the body.

Hazou looked around.

Noburi chunks were still raining down. Akane was grasping her steadily disolving fist. Kagome had run off in shock. Keiko was in the fetal position chanting something under her breath, Mari was chasing after Kagome, and Akane's right hand had just finished dissolving.

---​

Hazou hid with his team in the trees as their Tapir handling assailants shot arrows at them.

"We come in peace!" Inoue yelled. She dodged an arrow. "We don't want to hurt you."

"Sensei's right! You don't need to fight us" Akane stepped out onto the branch and shouted "We just wan---" Her voice cut off as an arrow to the throat silenced her.

---​

A wave of earth approached. Hazou concentrated on staying upright and being able to substitute with Inoue's clones. Suddenly, as the dust settled, he heard cries of panic, and looked out to see Inoue's body skewered to a spear, Noburi's barrel broken, Kagome's body a smear across many yards, and Akane swiftly beheading by a mounted Tapir rider.

---​

Hazou glanced around as the Hot Springs team caught up with them, they just caught up and Akane turned back to buy time.

---​

"She's got chakra exhaustion. There's nothing we can do. I'm sorry Hazou."

---​

The Rice ninja laughed at Keiko. The last thing Hazou saw was a ball of fire engulfing Akane.

---​

"Flames of Youth!" Akane's fist ripped through the zombified ninja. Her joyous smile was wiped from her face by the implanted explosive.

---​

"It Burns!" Akane screamed as Arikada's insects chewed threw her insides and she breathed her last.

---​

Hazou knelt by the memorial in Leaf, "I'm sorry Akane. I thought they could fix this."

---​

Kabuto laughed as he held up a string of intestines. "Intriguing. So the jutsu hardens both organs and skin. You've been most helpful." He injected Akane with a sedative and carefully placed her insides inside.

---​

Assassins came in the night. They knew they couldn't hit Jiraiya or Inoue or the genin, but Akane was free game.

---​

Hazou awoke with sweat covering his body. Still in Leaf. No visible threats. Looks like tonight's going to be another sleepless night. He pulled out a sheet of paper and started writing.

Macerator V 2.0 Applications (alphabetized)
  • Crowd Control: Fill with peppers, chilies or other skin or eye irritants.
    • Useful for disbanding/disabling groups of ninja.
    • Could provide a good way for temporary area denial with minimal property damage, or for crowd dispersal.
  • Fireball Bomb: Fill with a burning log.
    • Give Jiraiya the specs beforehand (like somewhere safe) + let him decide; show him only if he agrees.
    • Note that we already tested it and don't think it can be a world-ending application; Agent Black probably got the info from Mari-sensei earlier anyway.
    • Also note that the explosions we used are ~B-rank (confirm with Mari-sensei)
  • Flashbang: Fill with small amount of soft, white-hot metal.
    • Probably a bit difficult to get right, but it should fill the air with a large pile of glowing dust that is very bright for a tiny moment before it cools off.
    • Non-lethal, though it might cause minor blisters.
  • Scent Bomb: Fill with scented oils or other similar materials.
    • Border patrols and other similar groups given these could tag a more powerful enemy and run, allowing more powerful teams with good noses to find them more easily.
  • Smoke Bomb: Fill with ash or talc, mostly annoying.
He sighed. Maybe with these we can keep everyone alive and not need to die. On to the next. He raised his quill and started the next list.

Macerator V 2.0 Applications (Prioritized)
  • ...
Macerator V 2.0 Applications (Clan impact)
  • ...
Macerator V 2.0 App

---​

Inoue found Hazou that morning: head on the desk, one list smeared with moisture, quill endlessly repeating the letter p.
 
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Omake: Dreams and Lists​

Hazou lay down in his appartment. He was frustrated. He'd come so close to seeing Akane again, but still wasn't able to. After finally arriving in Leaf, he found that he was further than ever from Akane. He sighed. At least she was safe here. Maybe safer than she ever was with me. He drifted off to sleep, tossing and turning in his bed.

---​

Hazou glanced through the leaves. Noburi was unconscious with a broken barrel and Keiko lay tied to a tree. The Liberator nin were interrogating Akane. Crap. They figured out she wasn't on their side. Gotta go!

Hazou dropped down from the branch and charged the ninjutsu user, trying to save Akane from his finger spark jutsu. She was injured and couldn't fight back well! He had to protect her! He had to protect everyone! But the Taijutsu genin got in the way.

Focusing, he ignored the shouts around him and began exchanging blows with Bosatsu. Finally, he managed a critical blow, crushing his heart and revealing the way to Ken who had just turned to fight him.

Behind Ken was --doesn't matter, need to win. Ignoring more panicked yelling, Hazou rushed Ken preventing his escape. After closing range and blocking a couple sparks with his arm, Hazou turned Ken's face to pulp. Turning around, he saw Mirai closing in on him, with bloody scythe drawn.

Gotta stay focused. Standing his ground until the last minute, Hazou pivoted in a blur of motion spinning the glaive wielding opponent's blade into her own abdomen. Victorious, Hazou looked around the battlefield.

There was Ken, fist sized hole in face - not a threat. There was Bosatsu, chest crushed - not a threat. There was Mirai, blood pouring from her mouth and blade protruding from her stomach - not a threat. Relieved, Hazou sighed and looked around for his allies. Gotta free everyone, find Inoue, and get out.

There was Noburi, bruised and unconscious, barrel broken beside him. Probably a liability, but what else is new.

There was Keiko, Hazou frowned. Had she been that wounded before? He rushed to her side and found blood pouring from her neck, eyes closed and face set in a defeated expression. "Keiko!" Hazou shouted. He felt for a pulse. There was none.

Turning, he ran to Akane. Her eyes had burst from Ken's sparks, and her back was broken. "Akane?" He murmured approaching, hoping for any sign of life. Her lips were moving! She was alive! He knelt closer to hear her.

"Sensei... is that you? I can't... see you. Where…. are you? Sorry I… I couldn't be… youthful… like... you..." her voice trailed off into nothing.

---​

"Ahhhrrrgg" Noburi gasped as a tentacle from the ocean picked him up, acid eating away at his skin.

"Die stinkers!" Kagome threw an explosive seal at the beast. It's arm holding Noburi exploded. So did Noburi.

"Kagome!" Akane shouted.

Kagome stared in shock, unmoving.

"Kagome! Look Out!" Akane bolted past him. "Flames Of Youth!!!" She shouted as she punched the appendage reaching for Kagome. Her fist sunk into the limb, acid oozing around her hand. The tentacle retreated, as Mari finished off the body.

Hazou looked around.

Noburi chunks were still raining down. Akane was grasping her steadily disolving fist. Kagome had run off in shock. Keiko was in the fetal position chanting something under her breath, Mari was chasing after Kagome, and Akane's right hand had just finished dissolving.

---​

Hazou hid with his team in the trees as their Tapir handling assailants shot arrows at them.

"We come in peace!" Inoue yelled. She dodged an arrow. "We don't want to hurt you."

"Sensei's right! You don't need to fight us" Akane stepped out onto the branch and shouted "We just wan---" Her voice cut off as an arrow the the throat silenced her.

---​

A wave of earth approached. Hazou concentrated on staying upright and being able to substitute with Inoue's clones. Suddenly, as the dust settled, he heard cries of panic, and looked out to see Inoue's body skewered to a spear, Noburi's barrel broken, Kagome's body a smear across many yards, and Akane swiftly beheading by a mounted Tapir rider.

---​

Hazou glanced around as the Hot Springs team caught up with them, they just caught up and Akane turned back to buy time.

---​

"She's got chakra exhaustion. There's nothing we can do. I'm sorry Hazou."

---​

The Rice ninja laughed at Keiko. The last thing Hazou saw was a ball of fire engulfing Akane.

---​

"Flames of Youth!" Akane's fist ripped through the zombified ninja. Her joyous smile was wiped off her face from the implanted explosive.

---​

"It Burns!" Akane screamed as Arikada's insects chewed threw her insides and she breathed her last.

---​

Hazou knelt by the memorial in Leaf, "I'm sorry Akane. I thought they could fix this."

---​

Kabuto laughed as he held up a string of intestines. "Intriguing. So the jutsu hardens both the organs and the skin. You've been most helpful. Time for bed." He injected Akane with a sedative and carefully placed her insides inside.

---​

Assassins came in the night. They knew they couldn't hit Jiraiya or Inoue or the genin, but Akane was free game.

---​

Hazou awoke with sweat covering his body. Still in Leaf. No visible threats. Looks like tonight was going to be another sleepless night. He pulled out a sheet of paper and started writing.

Macerator V 2.0 Applications (alphabetized)
  • Crowd Control: Fill with peppers, chilies or other skin or eye irritants.
    • Useful for disbanding/disabling groups of ninja.
    • Could provide a good way for temporary area denial with minimal property damage, or for crowd dispersal.
  • Fireball Bomb: Fill with a burning log.
    • Give Jiraiya the specs beforehand (like somewhere safe) + let him decide; show him only if he agrees.
    • Note that we already tested it and don't think it can be a world-ending application; Agent Black probably got the info from Mari-sensei earlier anyway.
    • Also note that the explosions we used are ~B-rank (confirm with Mari-sensei)
  • Flashbang: Fill with small amount of soft, white-hot metal.
    • Probably a bit difficult to get right, but it should fill the air with a large pile of glowing dust that is very bright for a tiny moment before it cools off.
    • Non-lethal, though it might cause minor blisters.
  • Scent Bomb: Fill with scented oils or other similar materials.
    • Border patrols and other similar groups given these could tag a more powerful enemy and run, allowing more powerful teams with good noses to find them more easily.

  • Smoke Bomb: Fill with ash or talc, mostly annoying.
He sighed. Maybe with these we can keep everyone alive and not need to die. On to the next. He raised his quill and started the next list.

Macerator V 2.0 Applications (Prioritized)
  • ...
Macerator V 2.0 Applications (Clan impact)
  • ...
Macerator V 2.0 App

Inoue found Hazou that morning, head on the desk, quill endlessly repeating the letter p, ink having long ago run dry.
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I love you.
 
Radvic said:
Omake: Dreams and Lists​

Hazou lay down in his appartment. He was frustrated. He'd come so close to seeing Akane again, but still wasn't able to. After finally arriving in Leaf, he found that he was further than ever from Akane. He sighed. At least she was safe here. Maybe safer than she ever was with me. He drifted off to sleep, tossing and turning in his bed.

---​

Hazou glanced through the leaves. Noburi was unconscious with a broken barrel and Keiko lay tied to a tree. The Liberator nin were interrogating Akane. Crap. They figured out she wasn't on their side. Gotta go!

Hazou dropped down from the branch and charged the ninjutsu user, trying to save Akane from his finger spark jutsu. She was injured and couldn't fight back well! He had to protect her! He had to protect everyone! But the Taijutsu genin got in the way.

Focusing, he ignored the shouts around him and began exchanging blows with Bosatsu. Finally, he managed a critical blow, crushing his heart and revealing the way to Ken who had just turned to fight him.

Behind Ken was --doesn't matter, need to win. Ignoring more panicked yelling, Hazou rushed Ken preventing his escape. After closing range and blocking a couple sparks with his arm, Hazou turned Ken's face to pulp. Turning around, he saw Mirai closing in on him, with bloody scythe drawn.

Gotta stay focused. Standing his ground until the last minute, Hazou pivoted in a blur of motion spinning the glaive wielding opponent's blade into her own abdomen. Victorious, Hazou looked around the battlefield.

There was Ken, fist sized hole in face - not a threat. There was Bosatsu, chest crushed - not a threat. There was Mirai, blood pouring from her mouth and blade protruding from her stomach - not a threat. Relieved, Hazou sighed and looked around for his allies. Gotta free everyone, find Inoue, and get out.

There was Noburi, bruised and unconscious, barrel broken beside him. Probably a liability, but what else is new.

There was Keiko, Hazou frowned. Had she been that wounded before? He rushed to her side and found blood pouring from her neck, eyes closed and face set in a defeated expression. "Keiko!" Hazou shouted. He felt for a pulse. There was none.

Turning, he ran to Akane. Her eyes had burst from Ken's sparks, and her back was broken. "Akane?" He murmured approaching, hoping for any sign of life. Her lips were moving! She was alive! He knelt closer to hear her.

"Sensei... is that you? I can't... see you. Where…. are you? Sorry I… I couldn't be… youthful… like... you..." her voice trailed off into nothing.

---​

"Ahhhrrrgg" Noburi gasped as a tentacle from the ocean picked him up, acid eating away at his skin.

"Die stinkers!" Kagome threw an explosive seal at the beast. It's arm holding Noburi exploded. So did Noburi.

"Kagome!" Akane shouted.

Kagome stared in shock, unmoving.

"Kagome! Look Out!" Akane bolted past him. "Flames Of Youth!!!" She shouted as she punched the appendage reaching for Kagome. Her fist sunk into the limb, acid oozing around her hand. The tentacle retreated, as Mari finished off the body.

Hazou looked around.

Noburi chunks were still raining down. Akane was grasping her steadily disolving fist. Kagome had run off in shock. Keiko was in the fetal position chanting something under her breath, Mari was chasing after Kagome, and Akane's right hand had just finished dissolving.

---​

Hazou hid with his team in the trees as their Tapir handling assailants shot arrows at them.

"We come in peace!" Inoue yelled. She dodged an arrow. "We don't want to hurt you."

"Sensei's right! You don't need to fight us" Akane stepped out onto the branch and shouted "We just wan---" Her voice cut off as an arrow to the throat silenced her.

---​

A wave of earth approached. Hazou concentrated on staying upright and being able to substitute with Inoue's clones. Suddenly, as the dust settled, he heard cries of panic, and looked out to see Inoue's body skewered to a spear, Noburi's barrel broken, Kagome's body a smear across many yards, and Akane swiftly beheading by a mounted Tapir rider.

---​

Hazou glanced around as the Hot Springs team caught up with them, they just caught up and Akane turned back to buy time.

---​

"She's got chakra exhaustion. There's nothing we can do. I'm sorry Hazou."

---​

The Rice ninja laughed at Keiko. The last thing Hazou saw was a ball of fire engulfing Akane.

---​

"Flames of Youth!" Akane's fist ripped through the zombified ninja. Her joyous smile was wiped off her face from the implanted explosive.

---​

"It Burns!" Akane screamed as Arikada's insects chewed threw her insides and she breathed her last.

---​

Hazou knelt by the memorial in Leaf, "I'm sorry Akane. I thought they could fix this."

---​

Kabuto laughed as he held up a string of intestines. "Intriguing. So the jutsu hardens both the organs and the skin. You've been most helpful. Time for bed." He injected Akane with a sedative and carefully placed her insides inside.

---​

Assassins came in the night. They knew they couldn't hit Jiraiya or Inoue or the genin, but Akane was free game.

---​

Hazou awoke with sweat covering his body. Still in Leaf. No visible threats. Looks like tonight was going to be another sleepless night. He pulled out a sheet of paper and started writing.

Macerator V 2.0 Applications (alphabetized)
  • Crowd Control: Fill with peppers, chilies or other skin or eye irritants.
    • Useful for disbanding/disabling groups of ninja.
    • Could provide a good way for temporary area denial with minimal property damage, or for crowd dispersal.
  • Fireball Bomb: Fill with a burning log.
    • Give Jiraiya the specs beforehand (like somewhere safe) + let him decide; show him only if he agrees.
    • Note that we already tested it and don't think it can be a world-ending application; Agent Black probably got the info from Mari-sensei earlier anyway.
    • Also note that the explosions we used are ~B-rank (confirm with Mari-sensei)
  • Flashbang: Fill with small amount of soft, white-hot metal.
    • Probably a bit difficult to get right, but it should fill the air with a large pile of glowing dust that is very bright for a tiny moment before it cools off.
    • Non-lethal, though it might cause minor blisters.
  • Scent Bomb: Fill with scented oils or other similar materials.
    • Border patrols and other similar groups given these could tag a more powerful enemy and run, allowing more powerful teams with good noses to find them more easily.
  • Smoke Bomb: Fill with ash or talc, mostly annoying.
He sighed. Maybe with these we can keep everyone alive and not need to die. On to the next. He raised his quill and started the next list.

Macerator V 2.0 Applications (Prioritized)
  • ...
Macerator V 2.0 Applications (Clan impact)
  • ...
Macerator V 2.0 App

Inoue found Hazou that morning, head on the desk, quill endlessly repeating the letter p, ink having long ago run dry.
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Are we sure this isn't canon? I mean, uh, tbh, Hazou does have issues...

e: That said, holy crap that has my heart pounding in sympathy. Great job @Radvic :D
 
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Cariyaga said:
Are we sure this isn't canon? I mean, uh, tbh, Hazou does have issues...
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I mean, I assume that Hazou's list addiction is an outcropping of fears and concerns that he needs to do better, and his own insecurities. Those in turn, are fed by his exposure to the harsh realities that his team may all suddenly die, and he's got to do his best to keep them all alive, and they've faced death far too many times. So, that part is just my interpretation of why Hazou has an obsession. Don't know if Hazou'd keep writing a letter if he fell asleep while writting a double p though.
 
Radvic said:
I mean, I assume that Hazou's list addiction is an outcropping of fears and concerns that he needs to do better, and his own insecurities. Those in turn, are fed by his exposure to the harsh realities that his team may all suddenly die, and he's got to do his best to keep them all alive, and they've faced death far too many times. So, that part is just my interpretation of why Hazou has an obsession. Don't know if Hazou'd keep writing a letter if he fell asleep while writting a double p though.
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Yeah, that's what I was getting at -- I would not be surprised in the slightest if he had had nightmares like this before, given his characterization.
 
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