[X] Action Plan: Iron Escorts, Take Two
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
- Start date
-
- Tags
- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
- Location
- UK
There's a fairly big difference between using the skills we have creatively (aka. Banshee shoes) and researching new techniques. My post focuses mostly on the former; the one requiring the most research seems to be the telescope, but even that is fairly basic maths. Your tech tree involves inventing new tools altogether. That's definitely a laudible goal, but it's a lot more long-term.
I assumed the reason we don't is because it's extremely labour intensive, requires upkeep and, being immobile, becomes useless extremely quickly. And because you haven't tried AFAICT from the story.
Last edited:
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
My statement was complete hyperbole, yeah.
I don't think we're going to be allowed to just waive our hands and *seal shenanigans* our way into a game breakingness just yet, is my point. Probably the official reason for that would be XP, seal constraints, or some stat related thing. Unofficially, I don't think the QM's actually have the ability to completely take into account every inane combination of abilities we can glue together after we start getting a few more. There's just too much to think of.
- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
Apologies - when you said 'hacking' in your original post my brain registered it as 'technique hacking'.
They did not, to my memory.
Note that VD does not grant water control, it grants the ability to drain chakra through water. Noburi uses Water Whip to manipulate water.
Assuming they were concentric, there would be a zone 5m in diameter at the center that was normal temperature surrounded by a 5m-thick ring of normal temperature -X.
Yes.
Indeed it could, if you had somebody in the party with Elemental Mastery.
I am curious how you intend to 'snipe' anyone when you can't aim..?
Yes, this is largely how Kagome uses them when trapping the base.
This is basically what PMYF was initially designed to do.
- Location
- UK
Thanks for the answers.
It seems they can stack somewhat, interesting
. What if you used the second Elemental Mastery two or more times in a row?
As do I. Sniping with a stationary flak cannon makes very little sense. I was looking for the word silenced.
For that matter, how loud would such a contraption be? The Five Seal Barrier completely locks the object, so under human physics it would be soundproof, and the only escaping noise comes out the front which is Banshee'd. The flak can't be silenced, but it's still a lot less noise given the explosion and sonic boom. Setting a few Silence Mines around the entrance might even suffice to hide the location of the battery.
It seems they can stack somewhat, interesting
. What if you used the second Elemental Mastery two or more times in a row?As do I. Sniping with a stationary flak cannon makes very little sense. I was looking for the word silenced.
For that matter, how loud would such a contraption be? The Five Seal Barrier completely locks the object, so under human physics it would be soundproof, and the only escaping noise comes out the front which is Banshee'd. The flak can't be silenced, but it's still a lot less noise given the explosion and sonic boom. Setting a few Silence Mines around the entrance might even suffice to hide the location of the battery.
I stolen part of @falfec 's plan to make my own better.
Hazou supports Iron per consenus.
HOWEVER, unlike his plan, the team will decide where to go. It might be Tea, Fang, Waterfall, or god knows what. The plan is good enough to support anywhere we want to go.
Hazou supports Iron per consenus.
HOWEVER, unlike his plan, the team will decide where to go. It might be Tea, Fang, Waterfall, or god knows what. The plan is good enough to support anywhere we want to go.
Last edited:
We did. I remember because someone suggested putting 5SB on it to stop the lens from melting.
[X] Action Plan: We're FREEEEEEEEE!
Last edited:
We lost EM, and we don't know anything about lens, let alone the math for it.
Yep. I was just pointing out that we had thought of it.
- Location
- Over there
IIRC, when we first got the technique, it was ruled that it doesn't stack. The highest temperature change dominates.
I like the idea of bansheeing all our equipment, but only as long if it doesn't affect our sense of hearing.
Being able to hear in combat is important, not only for communication, but for stealth AND awareness, like in real life.
I still don't know why skywalking should be our highest priority after all the easy seals get researched.
Being able to hear in combat is important, not only for communication, but for stealth AND awareness, like in real life.
I still don't know why skywalking should be our highest priority after all the easy seals get researched.
Last edited:
How exactly do the 5SB work? Can we activate and deactivate then reuse them? If not, can we research this?
Imagine putting the seals on your shoes, or a platform under your shoes + chakra adhesion. You take a step into the air, activate the seal, take another step, activate the other seal, deactivate the first one and take another step...
Literal airwalking. Would take some practice, sure, but seems as doable as waterwalking, if not moreso. And much faster for travel than hoisting around platforms. Just have to be careful they don't get damaged or wet by rain or moisture.
Imagine putting the seals on your shoes, or a platform under your shoes + chakra adhesion. You take a step into the air, activate the seal, take another step, activate the other seal, deactivate the first one and take another step...
Literal airwalking. Would take some practice, sure, but seems as doable as waterwalking, if not moreso. And much faster for travel than hoisting around platforms. Just have to be careful they don't get damaged or wet by rain or moisture.
- Location
- Yes.
Banshee Slayer works in a 3cm radius, so unless you want to saturate our equipment with seals, or do a fuckton of seal research, it won't work as intended. Then again, if we manage to make it work on everything below the neck we'd effectively be a mobile silent corps, save for our head (which is needed to hear + talk).
Skywalking is the highest priority because flight is nonexistent in the Elemental Nations. Jiraiya and the Hokage made a point for us to tell them about our flotation platforms specifically because Konoha was weak to aerial assault. Inventing Skywalker seals, and selling them, would do wonders for pushing our status into the "asset" category.
I'm pretty sure 5SB can be reused, and that's part of the idea of the Skywalker seals. Modified 5SB (to need only 1 seal), put on the shoes, boom. Would need to keep them in a hidden compartment in the shoe so that the seal isn't damaged naturally, but it's workable.
- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
Ah, right, I do recall this discussion.
I may be misremembering, but I thought they didn't stack in that you couldn't cheat around your skill level by casting the jutsu multiple times? If you know where a quote for that is I'd really appreciate it.
- Location
- Over there
Yeah. I want everything but us make sounds.
Also, it would be nice to have sound protection, in the form of muffing everything extremely loud. We don't want to be exposed to loud noise, only just enough for situational awareness.
We want our enemies to be exposed to loud noises, though. It'll hinder their awareness and ability to communicate.
We need a tactic doctrine to make use of this. It doesn't seems like flight to me though it'll enable another dimension for us.
Last edited:
Dissonance
Luna's Luna
- Location
- Ginnungagap.
- Pronouns
- S/H/T
I thought I didn't get that set up right, as I can't see it anywhere. :/
[X] Action Plan: Iron Escorts, Take Two
[X] Action Plan: We're FREEEEEEEEE!
I still(always) think metacognitive training is useful. Due to her bloodline, might Keiko have some training in this area that can help?
- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
On mobile, turn your screen sideways to see signatures
I thought I didn't get that set up right, as I can't see it anywhere. :/
[X] Action Plan: Iron Escorts, Take Two
[X] Action Plan: We're FREEEEEEEEE!
I still(always) think metacognitive training is useful. Due to her bloodline, might Keiko have some training in this area that can help?
Dissonance
Luna's Luna
- Location
- Ginnungagap.
- Pronouns
- S/H/T
Thanks!On mobile, turn your screen sideways to see signatures
Is there a way to enable it without screen rotation? If I scroll up just a little bit in landscape mode the nav bars cover half the frakking screen.
I feel like the poster grandma for "TooManyToolbars".
- Location
- Europe
This plan is insufficiently paranoid.
I still maintain that Hashimoto is compromised. Noburi spent a lot of time around her in that town with his barrel hanging out for all to see. I would be very surprised if the Mist intelligence apparatus (that reportedly has been combing the area multiple times) has not picked up on this.
Note that a hunter-nin don't have to be camping in the bushes to trap us here. The only thing they need is few agents/informants keeping tabs on Hashimoto, who will send a word to Mist proper and requisition one of the kill teams they have set aside for this sort of things.
I'm not against going to Iron as long as we don't meet Hashimoto or go to places we have been at, but in the current climate Hazou is not going to be able to convince the team to just chill in Iron and not pursue medical training without serious proof.
Basically, if we don't want to risk the Hashimoto Trap, we need to go to somewhere else than Iron.
Team Aomori and Leaf spies are still in the hearing range, meaning we should not discuss details about anything. A good way to decide where to go would be to have a huddle and each of the genin just states their preferred country with no extra detail to Mari and she makes the decision without further consultation.
Not really sure why we are suggesting a travel plan that we don't even want? Just say we go straight to Iron and make the plan that much shorter.
We need full individual reports from everyone about what they observed while in Leaf. This is a priority since our memories will get worse as time goes on.
Second priority is deciding where to go next. We can't stay in Iron for more than a week, lest we really want to get hunter-nin on our backs.
Third would be getting Stealth training done, since we can't cross borders safely with our current dice.
We really should not be building MEW bases willy nilly across Elemental Nations. We can and will be tracked by them.
Not that I expect Mari to take us seriously since we have brought this up before and she ignored it.
The plans are super similar, so see above.
We can't execute that checklist unless we talk to people and hence make our footprint in the chosen country bigger. If we actually want to do it discreetly, the only real option is to have Mari do this.
- Location
- Europe
@OliWhail, @eaglejarl, @Velorien (or anyone else who knows the answer) You have now rebalanced our opposition to be harder than before right? Do we get any sort of indication how the power levels changed from our earlier estimates?
I ask because we need to decide how much Stealth to pump into our genin next. (I also need to completely re-haul our long term XP plan, but I'll do that after the vote is over.)
I think my earlier estimates for base dice levels were something like this:
I ask because we need to decide how much Stealth to pump into our genin next. (I also need to completely re-haul our long term XP plan, but I'll do that after the vote is over.)
I think my earlier estimates for base dice levels were something like this:
- Genin 1-9
- Chuunin level 10-18
- Special Jounin 19-21
- Jounin 21-24
Neither of any our plans account for Nobby going straight to Hashimoto for medical training, and that's only if we end up going to Iron.
Should the situation come up, we could have Hazo object to the idea.
My plan is to have Hazou discuss with the team during the three days we spent training, not with Team Aomori.
Also, it's all open source information and Jiraiya grilled us about all our missions. So we don't have any reason to not discuss anything and increase our risk of dying in any of those countries.
It's on the suggested activities list.
Once we set up camp, it is the first thing we will discuss.
Listed as "training plans".
I'll have Hazo express concern.
We can't have the genin do nothing forever.
