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@eaglejarl did you ever officially close the vote btw..? 
How very specific of you
Have tried to add these points.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Good point.I'd actually argue we should be pushing to make things accessible to people who aren't the target audience, since more people getting involved is fun and more people being rationalist-adjacent is probably a net positive thing. (I'm not arguing against implementing your proposal, it seems like an elegant way to say NOOOO, but 'the target audience for rational fiction understands it' doesn't seem like a great supporting point given how weird we are on average
FPtP was the original voting mechanism for this Quest, and we switched to Approval Voting back in January. (I'm pretty sure I was the one who had proposed the switch.Why is this even on your scale, FPtP should be buried in the depths of hell
)I know, but I didn't want to distract from the point that Against voting option is mainly for the readers, not the writers, of plans. Perhaps I shouldn't have done that, and I apologize.*Waves hand for like the third time* I have definitely typed out multi-kiloword plans and omake on mobile
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To be clear, I am in no way upset at having gotten to brag about writing large amounts via mobile
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No. Started to, then stopped because there hadn't actually been any real voting aside from "keep doing that". I suppose I should announce it, though.did you ever officially close the vote btw..?
Voting is closed.
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As far as the actual plan, the real additions were clarifying our suggestion to Keiko and de-stressing. There was a lot of cleanup of stuff in the reward questions and utopia answer contingencies, but those will probably not come into play until at least next update.
I meant more compared to everything else that's actually been done, as opposed to theoretical alternatives. Less terrible, not actually good. Also, your brainwashing suggestions are so morally horrific that I somewhat doubt your seriousness.
This is a very important point. That's actually why I mentioned one central government taking over, as opposed to one Village simply being more powerful than the rest. I consider the latter option to be a recipe for eventual world war. So is the former, actually, but it would likely postpone it. The idea of one village suddenly taking over is also predicated on that village having military superiority of such an overwhelming degree that there will barely be any fighting, which would also be very difficult to achieve. The idea of the Village we uplift taking over suddenly and forming one government was an idea put forth to postpone the world war for a few decades, giving us the opportunity to head it off at the pass, rather than something I thought would permanently prevent it. Civil wars are totally a thing. In addition, a world where total war is more of a thing, but humanity isn't slowly being destroyed would likely be preferable to the current world.
There is the possibility of sealcraft nukes or other existential risks, which I completely failed to take into account.
The ideas were actually more along the lines of:
- Becoming so stupidly personally powerful we could simply say, "If someone starts a war, we'll have to get involved to stop it. You don't want that. Also, the whole scorch squads thing is going to have to stop," and expect the world to just go, "Well, I guess that stuff's off the table, then."
- Help Leaf become so absurdly powerful that it can enforce peace, most likely via sealtech. Suggest it may be a good idea for it to take over the world and establish one central government in order to avoid the problem of the other villages catching up, where presumably we would have enough power to prevent things from going Stalinist.
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[J] Plan @Restinan.
That said, it might be a neat turn of phrase to have ready if Jiraya ever does accuse us of undue ambition. If nothing else, I'd like to see his expression.
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Threnodist
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Eh, you're inevitably brainwashed by any society that you live in, so you might as well brainwash people with actually good ideals.
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Besides the answer above, brainwashing people with the appropriate ideals is still very morally justifiable. Freedom of thought, expression, religion, travel, etc. are only valued because they give you happiness so as soon as those rights (in this case thought) begin to hurt the end goal of making you happy you must restrict those rights to preserve happiness. So really your squeamishness (which is probably only there because our hyper-capitilized world focuses so much on praising the "individual") to do a necessary "evil" would be the only morally wrong action
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Huh, when I first read this my brain immediately thought of Agent Orange rather than the recent election.
Anyone want to speculate on ways to improve the current American voting system (or voting in general)? There are of course systems that would be better, but how could those be implemented in practice?
I'm rather curious if this thread could use its experience to something productive in our world (naturally we would make a new thread for this as it would derail MfD too much if people took it seriously).
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Amusingly, when I read the above my brain initially went to Agent Orange, because it didn't interpret Agent Orange as a "beast".
Changing elections at the Federal level would require a Constitutional amendment, but states are free to do it however they want. One solution would be to have the states use Condorcet-compliant voting.
Splitting the state's delegates based on the results of the vote is also an option that could be explored. (As opposed to 'winner takes all delegates'.)
I like the Constitutional Amendment idea. How do we make that happen?
EDIT: Also, does no one want to comment on my horrifying water nintaijutsu?
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EDIT: Also, does no one want to comment on my horrifying water nintaijutsu?
I think people are hoping it just slips past the QM's eyes
But think about it; Mari-sensei has Water element, and is already proficient in Taijutsu. It could be a great addition to her arsenal.I think people are hoping it just slips past the QM's eyes
(Did we ever find out what her reward from Jiraiya was last time? It wasn't (entirely) carnal, if that's what you're thinking.)
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Right, but I'm more interested in how such a solution could be implemented, not what it should be. To clarify: for any proposed solution how do you plan to win over enough voters to ratify it? How do you spread the message and argue your position?
Everyone I've spoken to hates First Past the Post, but it is simple enough for the average voter to understand.
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So is Approval. And it's game theoretically better than IRV. It's worst case is at least as good as or better than any other voting system's worst case, even if there are others with somewhat better best-case outcomes.
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But how do you convince enough people to enact it into law? No member of the established main parties wants this since it makes elections harder for them; they can't just demonize their opponent like they can with FPtP. The idea is good for the average voter but someone needs to fight for it in legislature to ever make it happen. How do you spread the message?
Maine just passed IRV for many of its state-level offices. We'll see how that goes. (I myself prefer Condorcet > AV > IRV > FPtP, but I'll take what I can get.)
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Or you can fight for it on the ballot, appealing directly to voters who are clearly signalling their desire to change the system at this point. Go around getting signatures and explaining the reasoning behind why approval voting will help break up the bullshit.
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Seventeen, I don't know that you were properly greeted: welcome to the thread! There's been at least some positives to all the drama if we've picked up a new participant. (Or do you intend to go back to just reading?)
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@eaglejarl:
It's probably worth noting on the story-only thread that people have three reading options now:
It's probably worth noting on the story-only thread that people have three reading options now:
- Story-Only Thread: Just the story and interludes
- Reader Mode on the Main Thread: Story, interludes, and non-canon omake by participants.
- Normal Mode on the Main Thread: Everything including discussion and voting.
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Found Art: Not a Penguin
Edit: This is now my headcanon for how first contact between pangolin summons and canary summons went.
Edit 2: Aha, found the original source.
Edit: This is now my headcanon for how first contact between pangolin summons and canary summons went.
Edit 2: Aha, found the original source.
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Cariyaga
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Sweet freedom!
Now I can apologize personally for any offense my earlier comments gave. I went too far in my anger, and fomented aggression in the thread when, at worst, I should have done as OliWhail did and just taken a few-hours break to cooldown.
Now I can apologize personally for any offense my earlier comments gave. I went too far in my anger, and fomented aggression in the thread when, at worst, I should have done as OliWhail did and just taken a few-hours break to cooldown.