Most seals would not activate unless the user threaded their chakra into the seal in a specific and delicate pattern, a pattern that took a full second or two to manage, even for the best-trained ninja. Hazō's invention, on the other hand, could detect and respond to the heavy and unfocused pull of chakra adhesion that every ninja used for wallwalking. Chakra adhesion was quick and dirty, something that required no thought whatsoever. You just reached out and pulled, nothing precise or delicate about it.
Oh come on! There is no way this paragraph isn't at least subconsciously intended as a response to a post I made recently.
Adhesion ... is a technique centered around careful, balanced application of chakra. Too much chakra and a person might push themselves away from the thing they want to stick to. Too little and they'll slide off. Adhesion is about using just the right amount of chakra,
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I think it should be as simple as pushing chakra out of your body, including amounts that might be considered too little or too much to make adhesion work. Which is why I am against using adhesion for something demanding adjustable chakra output. Just push chakra into it the same way you would with literally any seal you'd want to activate. A little bit extra for a longer blade. It's that simple, no adhesion necessary.
Like I literally said "adhesion is this, activating seals is that, and adhesion is probably the more complicated process" and then EJ writes an update explaining how activating seals requires 'a specific and delicate pattern that took a full second or two to manage even for the best trained ninja' and 'adhesion is quick and dirty, requires no thought whatsoever, nothing precise or delicate about it'

It's like EJ saw my post and was like 'um actually.... nah I'll save it for the update.'

Which, btw, Kagome had Honoka activating seals from an early enough age that many experienced instructors feared the attempt or using that very small amount of chakra could burn out her chakra coils, so how specific and delicate a pattern can it actually be?

Inb4 that was fluff, or a specific type of seal that doesn't follow the same rules, and sealing has to work that way 'becuz mechanics' and I throw my hands up in the air and walk away for a day or two.
 
The Banshee Fucker seal emitted a sound so loud that it was only barely a sound instead of an explosive shockwave. The first time Hazō had tried it he had set it off in contact with his body; fortunately, Tsunade had been in attendance. She had examined him and then been reassuring and gentle. Which was a really bad sign, actually. If you had a problem with your leg it was much better to have Tsunade say, "Walk it off, you slacker!" instead of "That looks a little uncomfortable. Let me get you some willowbark tea."
This link seems to be broken, does anyone know when we first tried it?
 
This link seems to be broken, does anyone know when we first tried it?
Chapter 225. I'll fix it when my Wi-Fi comes back and I'm not on my phone.

Oh come on! There is no way this paragraph isn't at least subconsciously intended as a response to a post I made recently.
This update absolutely kicked my ass, so I'm about 36 or 48 hours behind on the thread. No, this wasn't a response to whatever you said, it was an in-universe explanation of the fact that most seals require a Supplemental to activate and CATEARS are a free action.
 
Things to note:
  • The dogs have the Shadow element. Could be worth asking about.
  • Would the Sun element be boosted by a large light source nearby? Probably only feasible on the Human Path, but neat.
 
PSA: Chapter updated, voting is open. It will close next Wednesday, the 19. Sunday will be an interlude unless @Velorien or @Paperclipped really want to write for Sunday in which case we'll close voting on Saturday as usual. I very much doubt that will happen as they are both busy.
 
[Χ] reverse summon and conduct seventy prep days with maximum shadow clone parallelization

edit: inb4 i get corrected about reverse summon / unsummon terminology
 
Didn't Hazou use Pangolin Earth Armor + Pangolin Conditioning Jutsu to tank two point-blank high-yield explosive tags during the Chunin Exams? It was against that Blood guy.
 
Some general thoughts and observations:

*This was a cool fight scene, the strength of Dog was really made apparent in their layered, stacking AoE buffs/debuffs. The individually superior leopards got utterly trounced because even this impromptu troupe of put-together dogs had enough synergy and team-affecting abilities to go mechanically over the top with group buffs. In that regard Hazou as a force-multiplying sealmaster plays very similarly to a Dog support specialist - he's a great fit for Dog Summoner in the combat arena. 'The lone wolf dies but the pack survives.'

*If a Dog Technique Hacker can make Strength of the Pack apply to the Dog Summoner, leveling Chakra Reserves may be Hazou's fastest ticket to jounin-tier combat relevance. Not only are there plenty of jounin-tier dogs in Dog, not only is Cannai extremely well disposed towards Hazou and likely to encourage such agreements, but Hazou has been needing to develop a Jounin aura for a while and even has Noburi's help for mini-Zoo rushes.

*Zoo Rushes involving solely Dogs are an extremely cost-effective use of chakra due to how Strength of the Pack works. Strength of the Pack with 3+ jounin-tier dogs on the battlefield is insane. Chakra Reserves also lets Hazou deploy more Shadow Clones at once, though I assume his FOOM speed is gated by Resolve and not CR at this point...

*Hazou was not in great physical danger this combat, given the random target selection and - more importantly - the Dog jounin's initial Taijutsu Block. With his base Taijutsu of 64 and +21 from triple Strength of the Pack, the entire pack was relatively well-insulated from physical combat - though it never got to that point.

*However, this is a fragile state of affairs: a Leopard jounin that knows to target him would likely go first, pre-empting any blocks and forcing Hazou on the defensive before he has any Armor effects up. Unless he can reflexively return to the Human Path, a jounin-level alpha strike would spell nearly certain death.

*Hazou's team should probably pull back, now that the Leopards are alerted, and add a speed-focused Dog Jounin, ideally a bodyguard. As long as one Dog can go first and establish a block to mitigate Hazou's squishiness, Hazou can go online granting the entire team Weapon: 4 and Banshee Slayer / Fucker bonuses. This is especially great if the team has any effects that target enemy Alertness.
*If this isn't possible, there should be ways to position the team such that attacking Hazou is unattractive by default - perhaps have him in the center of the formation such that any incoming attack would have a good chance of targeting / being intercepted by a Dog instead.
 
Didn't Hazou use Pangolin Earth Armor + Pangolin Conditioning Jutsu to tank two point-blank high-yield explosive tags during the Chunin Exams? It was against that Blood guy.
That was an ad-hoc ruling: since Hazou had Kitkat in a Block and intended for both of them to tank the explosives (with Hazou just tanking them better), the explosives were ruled to each deal just their weapons rating of 4 stress. It could have instead been ruled that if neither Hazou nor Kitkat were in a position to do any kind of dodging their effective Athletics would be zero and each explosive would deal like 18 stress, but if that was the ruling then Hazou wouldn't have detonated them on himself in the first place. While the mechanics do not support such fine-grained applications, it would be reasonable to say that if detonating them right on his position was suicidal then Hazou could just toss the tags to a distance where their blast is damaging but not deadly. Either way the end result would be the same: Hazou Blocks Kitkat, tosses some tags, they blow up and deal a tank-able amount of damage to each of them.
 
That was an ad-hoc ruling: since Hazou had Kitkat in a Block and intended for both of them to tank the explosives (with Hazou just tanking them better), the explosives were ruled to each deal just their weapons rating of 4 stress. It could have instead been ruled that if neither Hazou nor Kitkat were in a position to do any kind of dodging their effective Athletics would be zero and each explosive would deal like 18 stress, but if that was the ruling then Hazou wouldn't have detonated them on himself in the first place. While the mechanics do not support such fine-grained applications, it would be reasonable to say that if detonating them right on his position was suicidal then Hazou could just toss the tags to a distance where their blast is damaging but not deadly. Either way the end result would be the same: Hazou Blocks Kitkat, tosses some tags, they blow up and deal a tank-able amount of damage to each of them.

I understand that rules interaction, but wasn't Hazou also using two Armor-granting techniques that fight? Jiraiya even comments on it afterwards.
 
PSA: Chapter 664 has been updated to have the whole fight scene.


I'm threadmarking this only so that people see it and get to it easily, then bounce to the actual chapter. It will be unthreadmarked tomorrow.
Thank you! This makes my bookkeeping much easier. If I may, how many hours per calendar day did Hazō prime spend under time dilation during the research phase of the update?
 
@Rihaku while it would be nice to benefit from someone else's Strength of Dog jutsus casts, I doubt we'll ever want to use it ourselves. It consumes Supplementals and we use those for Substitutions + mass seal activation.

And if we need someone else to learn a modded jutsu just to buff us, they'll probably require significant payment and/or negotiation.
 
We've already unstagnated. Our need to participate in direct combat is now much smaller than it was before. We can now settle into a support role much more easily.

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They put a heavy emphasis on stealth," Canzappu squeaked. "In combat, at least. They're usually too arrogant to bother when they're just going from A to B. As soon as the fighting starts, they'll disappear and come at you from your blind spot. It's a total pain in the ass." He puffed up his chest. "Fortunately, you've got me along."

By the same token, I'll see them from farther away too," Hazō said. "Speaking of which. I've got my skywalker seals with me. If you'd like, I can go up a few hundred feet and use a telescope to spot the kitties."

"Nope," Cancurunchu said. "They'd see you too and then we'd either never get close or we'd get jumped by a couple dozen curious kitties all at once. Let's keep it low and take a few at a time, yeah?"

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So it sounds like Skywalkers plus telescopes WOULD have been effective, but transit from ground to sky or vice versa would be highly noticeable and would thus nullify any benefits from aerial surveillance and led to us getting ganked.

However we can use shadow clone before leaving Dog territory. The shadow clone could perform aerial surveillance while real Hazō walks on the ground with the dogs. Then the shadow clone can pop itself if it notices something.

Ground to sky transit is performed outside of leopard sight. Information can be passed from sky to ground instantaneously and with quite a lot of stealth.

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However, this is a fragile state of affairs: a Leopard jounin that knows to target him would likely go first, pre-empting any blocks and forcing Hazou on the defensive before he has any Armor effects up. Unless he can reflexively return to the Human Path, a jounin-level alpha strike would spell nearly certain death.

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The solution is simple. Prevent the alpha strike. Shadow clone aerial surveillance solves this problem.

The shadow clone don't even need to have much chakra invested beyond its casting cost. None really. It's purpose is to relay information, not fight.

Frankly since we've already unstagnated, and Dog seems to have a very "pro support build" culture there is VERY little reason we need to actually be personally effective in combat. We just need to survive one or two rounds of combat. Our buffs and debuffs are more valuable than our chunin tier personal combat ability.

To this end having several decoy/body-double shadow clones on the ground with real-Hazō is a more effective 1-to-2 round defense against a Leopard jonin alpha strike than Chakra boost 6 or whatever. If these guys are hitting in the 80s then Hazō is dead or getting severe consequences (which might as well be a death sentence with the time pressure we're under) no matter how much chakra there is in the bank.

Better to have 3 body doubles on the ground and a scout in the air than one Hazō on the ground with more chakra.

That way we have a chance to spot any Leopards and prevent an alpha strike. Failing that, even if a leopord jonin tries to target Hazō they'll only have a 1/4 chance to actually target the real Hazō. Again, the shadow clones on the ground don't need to actually be combat effective either. They're just there to draw enemy fire.
 
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We've already unstagnated. Our need to participate in direct combat is now much smaller than it was before. We can now settle into a support role much more easily.
I'm not sure we have, actually. It wasn't mentioned in the end notes, and Hazō's total contribution to the fight was:
  • Shrug off a genjutsu.
  • Activate CATEARS.
  • Cast PEA.
  • Oops, fight over.
He didn't actually attack anyone or even dodge any physical attacks. At a guess, we need Hazō to actually engage someone in melee to unstagnate combat, which didn't happen here.

This update was much longer than one day.

It covered at least one research cycle (the one where we finished CATEARS and Force Blades
Speaking of which, @eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped when can we expect the prep day results from that cycle? After the combat mission finishes, or earlier? (We don't really need to know them until the next research plan, but it would be nice to have them sooner if you've already decided the results.)


Also, I have rules questions. (If anyone has answers to these, please feel free to jump in; not exclusive to the QMs.)
Canrippu takes two stress. It won't fit on his stress track so he soaks it with a Mild Consequence ("Limping"). His third stress box is still available.
I thought stress boxes went [I] [II] [III] and so on, so the third stress box can take up to three stress and the two stress would have resulted in marking off that box. Is that not right?

Cankamu, Jaw and Claw (59) + 18 (SotP tags x3) + 6 (bonus from Force Claw when the opponent doesn't know you have it) + 6 (dice) = 89
Hyōtsumaranai, Athletics (57) - 5 (staggered by BF) + 11 (Bounding Evasion) - 3 (dice) = 63
How was Cankamu (and the other dogs who did so) able to get the numeric benefit from both SotP and Force Claw without a combination stunt? Is it the same kind of possibly-temporary ruling as was made for Roki?

Like his fellows before him, Hyōfajī is having a bad day. That's 9 shifts of damage (5 base, 4 from the Weapons Rating of the Force Claws).

Poor 'fajī sinks 2 into a Mild Consequence ("Slashed Paw"), 3 into a Medium ("Gashes in my Sides"), and 4 into a Severe ("Butchered"). His stress track is untouched.
This one is more a "should the rules be like this" than "are the rules like this": if I'm reading them correctly, this is legal, but it seems like it shouldn't be. The rules say:
If the resulting amount of stress DOES exceed your stress track, you must take one or more Consequences in order to reduce the stress total such that it no longer exceeds your stress track.
You cannot use a Consequence slot unless the incoming damage would exceed your stress track (i.e., you cannot farm FP by deliberately taking a Mild Consequence in every fight). Taking Mild, Moderate, and Severe Consequences reduces incoming stress by 2, 3, or 4 respectively. (This is different from base Dresden Files.) You cannot use a Consequence slot again until it heals.
So according to a literal reading, and according to what was done here, it would seem like you can't take Consequences unless the damage exceeds your stress track, but if it does you can then take as many Consequences as you like. However, given the line about "such that it no longer exceeds", you could also imagine a procedure like:
  • Check if damage exceeds stress track.
  • If it does, assign a Consequence.
  • Return to step one.
So that, roughly, you could only take as many Consequences as you need to to soak the damage. That would reduce discontinuity, which I tend to think of as generally a good thing. (I also don't really get why Hyōfajī would have chosen to take Consequences instead of using his stress track, since the former imposes roll penalties and the latter doesn't. Just to tank minor hits?)
 
I'm not sure we have, actually. It wasn't mentioned in the end notes, and Hazō's total contribution to the fight was:
  • Shrug off a genjutsu.
  • Activate CATEARS.
  • Cast PEA.
  • Oops, fight over.
He didn't actually attack anyone or even dodge any physical attacks. At a guess, we need Hazō to actually engage someone in melee to unstagnate combat, which didn't happen here.

 
That was an ad-hoc ruling: since Hazou had Kitkat in a Block and intended for both of them to tank the explosives (with Hazou just tanking them better), the explosives were ruled to each deal just their weapons rating of 4 stress. It could have instead been ruled that if neither Hazou nor Kitkat were in a position to do any kind of dodging their effective Athletics would be zero and each explosive would deal like 18 stress, but if that was the ruling then Hazou wouldn't have detonated them on himself in the first place. While the mechanics do not support such fine-grained applications, it would be reasonable to say that if detonating them right on his position was suicidal then Hazou could just toss the tags to a distance where their blast is damaging but not deadly. Either way the end result would be the same: Hazou Blocks Kitkat, tosses some tags, they blow up and deal a tank-able amount of damage to each of them.
I think Rihaku is just noting that Hazou has, in fact, actually used PEA in combat before. Once.

Entirely reasonable for Hazou to have forgotten it since that was a weird event but nothing in the grand scheme of his life
 
I thought stress boxes went [II] [III] and so on, so the third stress box can take up to three stress and the two stress would have resulted in marking off that box. Is that not right
This is correct, he shouldn't have taken a Mild here. I also can't figure out why the Mild is penalizing the roll before he takes the Consequence.
  • Check if damage exceeds stress track.
  • If it does, assign a Consequence.
  • Return to step one.
So that, roughly, you could only take as many Consequences as you need to to soak the damage. That would reduce discontinuity, which I tend to think of as generally a good thing. (I also don't really get why Hyōfajī would have chosen to take Consequences instead of using his stress track, since the former imposes roll penalties and the latter doesn't. Just to tank minor hits?)
Right, assuming he has a 3 box track he should have taken a Mild and a Severe here. That reduces the damage to 3, which will fit on his track.
 
@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped

There were a couple of very wounded Leopards at the end, did we let them escape?

Can we deactivate and reuse the Banshee Fucker?

Is Noburi available in Toad for a quick chakra refill?

My suggestion is, I think, retreat back to Dog to rest and recover chakra for now. Make a few SC overwatch observation posts w/ telescopes, skytowers, SCSA, and SHSA on the border.

Then intercept anyone who approaches the Dog Border spotting them from range with the SCs.



Alternatively we can push in and attack a Leopard camp. Get to standoff distance and then tunnel under them with a refill or two. Come up and start killing.
 
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You know how us QMs feel about willy-nilly. (Us QMs? We QMs? Your brilliant and much-admired QMs? Grammar is hard, let's eat Wildberry Skittles.)
Breaking my studying-borne tiredness retreat only to say that all three are technically okay. Same thing as "it was I" versus "it was me" where there used to be a rule but it's just not how the language works any more. I think the analysis goes something like "since it's a subject, the pronoun alone would be 'we,' so 'we QMs' is starting from 'we' and adding 'QMs' as a post-modifier, while 'us QMs' is starting from 'QMs' and adding 'us' as a pre-modifier -- either you're specifying that 'we means QMs' or that 'the QMs are us.' and 'your brilliant and much-admired' is a determiner phrase that modifies 'QMs' being the head, since it does not have several forms and the information contained within is true it dodges the issue of wondering what's what"
Let's eat Wildberry Skittles, but I'll still be leafing through Huddleston & Pullum's Cambridge Grammar of the English Language occasionally.
 
I'm against checking in with Cannai. That means spending too much chakra on summoning and reverse-summoning.

I will also note that we are not in command of this mission. @_The_Bomb we should avoid short-circuiting our squad leader and should start by talking to them before vanishing back to the Seventh path.
 
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