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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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Weapons users have to use TacMove to get in to weapons-throwing range, and we can dodge using TacMove anyway.
HoratioVonBecker
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Which is a non-plan-based way of saying:
[X] Action Plan: Grab And Go
Goals:
Okay. The first couple of scenes feel very off, to the point I thought it might be a joke update. After I came back and finished it, I see why - mood spillover while writing, forgiven due to circumstances, but worth going back and fixing when you get the chance.
The phrasing here sounds a little awkward, probably because the rest of the scene is so fast-paced. Also, Sarutobi Hiruzen deserves just a little more narrative weight - we don't even know how he died.
"Given the current state of emergency, I need to know a few things about the Watchers before I start devising contingencies against S-Rankers. Furthermore, if you could show me as many seals as I can download in ten minutes, it would be appreciated. Also, I have a short list of questions for Mari-sensei, regarding memory-editing kinjutsu."
Which is a non-plan-based way of saying:
[X] Action Plan: Grab And Go
Goals:
- Increase team survivability.
- Increase hivemind ability to affect the world.
- Accomplish first stage of assigned mission.
- Increase Leaf potency.
- Get goodies from Jiraiya. (And whoever he recommends.)
- Techniques might take too long to learn, but surely he can show Hazō a number of useful seals and some very basic notes?
- This will make Hivemind Creativity™ easier, even if we shouldn't be gone long enough to actually research them.
- Anything he can hand us in limited supplies? Seals, weapons, messenger birds, tame chakra beasts? Anything that enhances mobility would be appreciated, particularly if it stacks with Skywalkers.
- Techniques might take too long to learn, but surely he can show Hazō a number of useful seals and some very basic notes?
- Get answers.
- Where did Mari get her kinjutsu, what was the price, how integral was it to the jutsu, and what does she recommend for countering memory editors?
- When was the battle where Jiraiya deliberately failed an infusion? How visible would it have been from Very High Up? How well known was he at the time? What defenses does he have against memory editing?
- Share our tech with Jiraiya.
- Zephyr's Reach Guns, whatever those are, plus anything else we've come up with and can share in ten minutes.
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You threw out the one where Zabuza soloed everyone, I take it?
Nah, Zabuza was up against Naruto, whose fighting style 'Protagonist Syndrome' gives him +n to every ability, where n is whatever it takes to beat whoever he's fighting.
HoratioVonBecker
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Unless they're fighting to capture, in which it gives him one less than the required amount.
It is some pretty good insight into how much of a beast Naruto is. How dangerous is he?
He had Zabuza "well in hand".
He had Zabuza "well in hand".
Cariyaga
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Kind of yes, kind of no: The idea isn't to use timing as the key factor, but rather, alignment. This is where the large amount of custom engineering comes in: we want the storage seal to both touch and trigger the LBF; or, depending on how the LBF functions (does it continue sending the"trigger seals" mechanism for the duration that it is broken? Or just once? If not, that can be fixed, too, with some work from Kagome), it may work regardless.
Vecht
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[X] Action Plan: Leaf Leaf
[X] Training Keiko: Tactical Stealth
[X] Training Noburi: Tactical Stealth
I don't think this works here. Given that we find ourselves in an engagement, I would estimate our odds of fighting a genin team, a single chuunin-level opponent, or a chuunin level border patrol, ambush squad, etc., as significantly higher than stumbling across Jounin. Jounin are far more rare to begin with, and their time is going to be spent more effectively in ways that are unlikely to put them in our path here. S-ranks even more so. And even if we run into the friggen Akatsuki, they won't give two shits about us.
The most likely outcome for fighting a Jounin+ opponent, I think would be something like being made by spies observing Jiraiya's assets and then being targeted by them. But presumably Jiraiya knows his business well enough to know which if any of his assets are important enough to involve risks like that, and in those cases wouldn't send us to deliver the intel in the first place, as it would introduce unnecessary opsec risk.
Thus, I think it is wiser to spend the levels in Roki instead of TacMov, since the rest of the team still bottleneck us on speed anyway.
[X] Training Keiko: Tactical Stealth
[X] Training Noburi: Tactical Stealth
I don't think this works here. Given that we find ourselves in an engagement, I would estimate our odds of fighting a genin team, a single chuunin-level opponent, or a chuunin level border patrol, ambush squad, etc., as significantly higher than stumbling across Jounin. Jounin are far more rare to begin with, and their time is going to be spent more effectively in ways that are unlikely to put them in our path here. S-ranks even more so. And even if we run into the friggen Akatsuki, they won't give two shits about us.
The most likely outcome for fighting a Jounin+ opponent, I think would be something like being made by spies observing Jiraiya's assets and then being targeted by them. But presumably Jiraiya knows his business well enough to know which if any of his assets are important enough to involve risks like that, and in those cases wouldn't send us to deliver the intel in the first place, as it would introduce unnecessary opsec risk.
Thus, I think it is wiser to spend the levels in Roki instead of TacMov, since the rest of the team still bottleneck us on speed anyway.
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I agree completely with this, don't see the problem?
So I'm kinda confused how this "spies observing assets are are most likely Jonin+ opponents" means "it's better for us to spend levels into Roki instead of TacMove"?
HoratioVonBecker
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[X] Action Plan : Lore Update
[X] Lore Update: The Ultimate Showdown (of Ultimate Destiny)
I think I can hurriedly complete my Mechanics Update work. @eaglejarl, @Velorien, @OliWhail, what was the consensus on my earlier proposals?
[X] Lore Update: The Ultimate Showdown (of Ultimate Destiny)
I think I can hurriedly complete my Mechanics Update work. @eaglejarl, @Velorien, @OliWhail, what was the consensus on my earlier proposals?
We should coordinate.Oneiros43 said:
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Vecht
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[X] Training Hazou: Tactical Stealth at Full Capacity
Stealth 11-12 (23 xp)
Capacity 11-12 (46 xp)
Roki 10 (10 xp)
Save 5 xp
Capacity 12 gives us an additional 10 chakra when overcharged by Noburi, and +20 to base otherwise. This is enough for an extra boost. Given that we are the member of the team with the least chakra, we are thus the bottleneck to fast movement. This makes the most sense to level IMO, after getting the max bonus from Stealth.
Stealth 11-12 (23 xp)
Capacity 11-12 (46 xp)
Roki 10 (10 xp)
Save 5 xp
Capacity 12 gives us an additional 10 chakra when overcharged by Noburi, and +20 to base otherwise. This is enough for an extra boost. Given that we are the member of the team with the least chakra, we are thus the bottleneck to fast movement. This makes the most sense to level IMO, after getting the max bonus from Stealth.
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Vecht
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Point being that the TacMov doesn't help us that much in the case that we don't get into a fight (still bottlenecked by slower team members), and Roki will help us more than TacMov in the case that we get into a fight, as I do think it would be more likely we would be facing a threat we could actually handle, and the bonus dice would be useful.
That is moot though, because I still think it will be rather unlikely to get into a fight, and if our goal is speed, then we need to address the bottleneck, which is Hazou's chakra capacity (see above).
We should coordinate.[/QUOTE]
Banshee providing only a -2 penalty to dice? I would peg it 5-10 dice, or even putting out opponents out of commission.
Vecht
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@faflec Maybe leave a few Banshee seals with research notes for Jiraiya? We don't have to bother him with it right this moment (besides maybe mentioning it and letting him know what we're doing), but it might be useful. I am regretting that we didn't give them to him already, as it could have made the Ultimate Showdown marginally more successful.
Also, he might appreciate the token gesture, and it might lift his spirits with a bit of humor, justifying his old seal names and whatnot.
Also, he might appreciate the token gesture, and it might lift his spirits with a bit of humor, justifying his old seal names and whatnot.
"Sir, may I ask if you saw anybody matching a description?"
He'll clear the room of anybody not cleared to hear, or simply infer everything and be reminded about Hana in an instant.
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Maybe it should work like an explosive tag that's harder to dodge completely, (IE, nearly impossible) but with mitigated effects?
An opposed roll of some sort (What do regular explosive tags use? Weapons vs Tac Move?) would probably work if we're throwing them.
If you're wearing them and engaging in taijutsu they should be near unavoidable, too. Even taijutsu specced opponents might try to attack from range.
Note: a sound that is a 150 db from ~10 feet away is 130 db from 100 feet away, which is still really loud.
Basically, it's pretty much impossible to completely avoid unless you're protected, and if you're close it should really mess you up. (Unless ninja have super human eardrums?)
Noise over distance calculator that may be helpful.
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notanautomaton
I've got 99 quests, I've finished one
Because we suck pretty hard there lol. Well, half the time. But face it, we'd be dead ten times over if it weren't for Keiko stopping us from pushing our head into the wood chipper over and over again.
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I meant to bring this up before the update, but I would actually like to have a lore update. Not for planning extension purposes, but it's been a while, and I'm curious about MfD history. Maybe a scene that isn't obviously contemporary. Like, rather than show something dealing with current events, show something that could take place a few weeks ago or a few decades ago. Or a historical scene, like Ui's exploits or something. For me, the historical or ambiguous lore updates enrich the setting. How does everyone else feel?
[X] Lore Update
[X] Lore Update
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You are right that the citation I give from the Space Tether is for an infinitely thin hoop. I had some time to check this out today, and it turns out a little more favorably with a solid disk.
http://ewp.rpi.edu/hartford/~sarric/SMS/Readings/32669_04.pdf
For a solid disk, the maximum stress is given as (3+v)/8 * rho * w^2 * r^2
Where v (poisson ratio) is ~ 0.3 for many metals
balsa wood is not isotropic, and I do not have the time to look at anisotropic material behavior, so I'll stick with metallic poisson ratio
sigma/rho * 8/3.3 = v^2
v = 1.55 * sqrt(sigma/rho)
So about 1.55 times the previous answer -> 1123 m/s. Which is just around what the other folks have been throwing around.
Unfortunately, putting holes in the disk (to reduce density) isn't going to help... though a tapered design would make it work better (thicker at the center, thinner at the rim). My guess is that the glue will not have a stronger bond than unbroken wood grain (at least, in the direction that wood has any significant strength at all)
As far as vacuums go, I am still reasonably convinced that the Air purifier can create a vacuum, and have been asking the thread/QMs (slowly, without being a squeaky wheel about it) for a couple months. I retain hope that they will rule on it eventually, and don't mind whatever time they need to take -- @OliWhail @Velorien @eaglejarl -- as they have been putting out consistently good work, and are otherwise inundated with equally valid, and less daunting, questions.
More toward your question, an omnidirectional vacuum centered about the object, maintained by a seal, would be optimal. However, I think you'd find that you created a pretty effective, if very inefficient, banshee seal in the process (we're already making noise with a Mach 1.5 disk, now we'd have a faster sphere punching through the air, leaving behind a shock
As for the 125000 rpm thing - it looks like the diameter of that object is about 4 inches (~10 cm, as you estimated). radius is 5 cm. 125000 rpm is 13090 rad/s. .05*13090 is 654.5 m/s. We are looking at max tip speed in the specific strength metric, not angular velocity. Also, for funsies, look up ultracentrifuges.
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If there was ever a time that was appropriate for a quick cut away from the plot, it's now. We could see the Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny firsthand, since by all accounts it was pretty epic, and even if not that there's plenty of repercussions of what just happened to look into. Perhaps a look into Mist and its shattered authority structure? Maybe one or more of the Leaf clans as they deal with the fallout of the decision. Or even a wildcard, like Orochimaru!
[X] Lore Update