Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

faflec · Dec 17, 2024

~~[x] Action Plan: Up to 100% More Atrocities Than the Competitors!~~

Suggestions:

Noumero said:
Welcome to the 'I-pissed-off-all-three-Sannin-and-survived' club.

Has Noburi pissed off Jiraiya? Like, really pissed off.

Noumero said:
Reverse-summon to visit Dogs that might agree to join the Riftwar.

Part of me wants to query Kei and Noburi for ideas on how to recruit these Dogs; would it be plausible to put the sanity-check/optimization before this section instead of as the header for the next section? Low-priority since I don't think it'll change too much, but my paranoia senses tend to tingle if we don't have a "sanity-check/optimize with the team".

Noumero said:
Recruit Orochimaru's cultists. Orochimaru/Endo might know where their groups are; they may be fairly populous...

Would you be able to put this higher up than the "raid a minor village" section - maybe even at the top? I want to order the plan such that the ideas that are most likely to lead to *screaming in Orochimaru mind control* at the end.

Noumero · Dec 17, 2024

faflec said:
Has Noburi pissed off Jiraiya? Like, really pissed off.

I don't remember that happening either, no. @FaintlySorcerous, what were you referring to there?

Implemented the other two suggestions.

Noumero · Dec 17, 2024

Notable update: my plan now researches Superchillers.

Noumero said:
Research Superchillers (no-prep yes-DoB).

Infuse deep underground, "burying" the rune's AoE to prevent storms.

The intent is to have them in our pocket as a trump card we could use if the battle at O'Uzu goes poorly.

strange_person · Dec 17, 2024

faflec said:
Has Noburi pissed off Jiraiya? Like, really pissed off.

Whole team ended up in a killbox at some point on Jiraya's orders, didn't we? Seems like that's close enough to count even if it wasn't personally Noburi's fault.

RandomOTP · Dec 17, 2024

Noumero said:
Notable update: my plan now researches Superchillers.

The intent is to have them in our pocket as a trump card we could use if the battle at O'Uzu goes poorly.

Continue the unchained version, or transfer the prior research over to the OG/restrained version?

Noumero · Dec 17, 2024

RandomOTP said:
Continue the unchained version, or transfer the prior research over to the OG/restrained version?

We almost certainly don't have the time to research the restrained version.

faflec · Dec 17, 2024

Noumero said:
I don't remember that happening either, no. @FaintlySorcerous, what were you referring to there?

Implemented the other two suggestions.

Thanks. Here's a version of your plan that has 310 words. I cut a lot to get it to this, and am not sure if it's still quite the same as you prefer. I'm leaving you with this, and with the suggestion, if you want to get it to 299, to cut out or edit down the "Hazou's been there; he'll skip the dressing-down." and "Test how much earth Force Dome's chakra pillar pierces." sections.

Noumero said:
[x] Action Plan: Up to 100% More Atrocities Than the Competitors!
Word count: <400

Noburi:

Hazou's disappointed. He really wanted Noburi watching, but he screwed that up.

Hazou's been there; he'll skip the dressing-down.

Treat Orochimaru like a pissed-off Tsunade.

Welcome to the 'I-pissed-off-all-three-Sannin-and-survived' club.

Optimize/discuss the below with the team.

Cannai:

Summon him with Mild overcharge (immediately Noburi-treated) once you've recovered. Introduce him to the team.

Recruit Dogs for the Riftwar.

Be respectful and mindful. We're not Kakashi.

Emphasize the fight's importance. Note our service to Dog (message running) despite our war.

Gratefully accept refusals..

Chakra sources for the Riftwar:

Context:

We'll need oceans of chakra; optimally 100-200 Chunin's worth.

They'd ideally not be Leaf-nin so Akatsuki won't notice.

Ideas:

Recruit Moon-nin.

Hidan and Itachi depopulated them recently; they have a grudge and we can bribe them.

Do they hate Akatsuki more than fear AMITY's reprisal?

Are there enough survivors?

Recruit Orochimaru's cultists. Ask Orochimaru/Endo their locations and populations.

Raid a minor village (Tea/Moon/Noodle) en-route.

Plan:

Trap it under Force Domes, Iron Earth, and Air-Leadeners.

Tsunade, Orochimaru, Mari mass-assualts with SCs.

Maris TLitF-freezes targets, Orochimarus paralyzes and Noburi drains them.

Transport them via net suspended between Tsunade's SCs.

It's extreme and will have lasting geopolitical consequences, but if we lose, there's no future anyway.

Is letting the kidnapped ninja go afterwards feasible? They'd be unconscious; wouldn't see runes.

Tsunade's presence will hopefully prevent Orochimaru's excesses.

Anything else?

Propose best ideas to Orochimaru.

Grind runic veterancy whenever possible.

Priority: RER2. Invoke/Reroll/Timeladder per Hazou's preferences.

Secondary: Ninja Radar, Force Dome. Target: reliable double-timeladdered infusion.

As necessary, resupply chakra from Orochimaru.

Misc:

Research Superchillers (no-prep yes-DoB).

Infuse deep underground, "burying" the AoE to prevent storms.

Test how much earth Force Dome's chakra pillar pierces.

Declare (1FP) after veterancy-grinding: Hazou advised Naruto to order Leaf Summoners to train CR and get their Summon's favor, maximizing the chances of Summoning their Bosses.

_The_Bomb · Dec 17, 2024

@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped @faflec

Does sound permeate through the barrier of a Force Dome?

I'm trying to model how temperature spread would occur in the case of a "contained" EM deployment inside of a FD and this fact would greatly help my modeling.

RandomOTP · Dec 17, 2024

Noumero said:
We almost certainly don't have the time to research the restrained version.

Eh, too sick to care about the difference. Works for me, my vote stays

faflec · Dec 17, 2024

_The_Bomb said:
@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped @faflec

Does sound permeate through the barrier of a Force Dome?

I'm trying to model how temperature spread would occur in the case of a "contained" EM deployment inside of a FD and this fact would greatly help my modeling.

Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

Naruto reimagined as a deathworld without most of the canon plot holes.

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Answered on Discord. They do not.

_The_Bomb · Dec 17, 2024

faflec said:
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

Naruto reimagined as a deathworld without most of the canon plot holes.

forums.sufficientvelocity.com

Answered on Discord. They do not.

Ok, that massively updated my priors against FD being rapidly temperature permeable.

I am still massively against researching the unrestrained version (because if it out-ranges our containment Force Dome we may have a continent-killing hypertornado!) but I am now less worried about the best-case scenario.

T_of_A · Dec 17, 2024

Suggestion: give some idea of how we would go about hiring those ninja. Otherwise the NPCs will say "we can't just walk up to a hidden village", consider that a valid objection, and veto the whole idea as if we couldn't think of anything better once the relevant update came up.

Rafin · Dec 17, 2024

[x] Action Plan: Up to 100% More Atrocities Than the Competitors!

Sir Stompy said:
You are neglecting the warrior culture and inherent mistrust of the EN, they will fight to the death instead. They could potentially betray us to Akatsuki if left conscious, so we must drain them to unconsciousness, which they won't allow.

Don't ninja literally get hired by foreigners, with mercenary work being a major form of income for Hidden Villages? Which would be especially relevant to smaller Villages with poorer taxable land? Or has that been completely retconned out of MfD? I feel like this was still a thing back during our chūnin exams and in the early days of Marked for Economics.

FaintlySorcerous · Dec 17, 2024

Noumero said:
I don't remember that happening either, no. @FaintlySorcerous, what were you referring to there?

I don't have a specific citation - they were around Jiraiya enough that I'm sure they all annoyed him at various points to varying degrees given that he explicitly cultivates an explosive persona. Hazo pissed Tsunade off when refusing to tell her where the Explosive Rune was buried. Kei tried to comfort Tsunade but came across as comparing their grief, getting her in (mild) trouble. Noburi trained under Tsunade and definitely incurred her wrath at some point. Kei and Hazo both upset Orochimaru during the Not Joking Face incident, and now Noburi joins our heroes with a full bingo card.

It's a throwaway joke line, but I think it's nice to joke around with him after he basically pissed himself.

faflec said:
Thanks. Here's a version of your plan that has 310 words. I cut a lot to get it to this, and am not sure if it's still quite the same as you prefer. I'm leaving you with this, and with the suggestion, if you want to get it to 299, to cut out or edit down the "Hazou's been there; he'll skip the dressing-down." and "Test how much earth Force Dome's chakra pillar pierces." sections.

I strongly disprefer this version of the plan. Sub-399 is fine. We aren't scrounging for XP here - no one is close enough to anything (AFAIK) that we're likely to miss the brevity bonus on ~single-day plans.

Cariyaga · Dec 17, 2024

Noumero said:
Notable update: my plan now researches Superchillers.

The intent is to have them in our pocket as a trump card we could use if the battle at O'Uzu goes poorly.

[X] Action Plan: Dogs of War
[X] Action Plan: Cry Havoc

We do not even know the duration of superchillers. Counting on force domes to keep them constrained is foolish.

faflec · Dec 17, 2024

Fork of Noumero's plan, but without EM Nuke Rune research.

This plan is now defunct, please vote for FaintlySorcerous' plan here.

[] Action Plan: Up to 100% More Atrocities Than the Competitors! No Nukes Though.
Word count: <400

Noburi:
- Hazou's disappointed. He really wanted Noburi watching, but he screwed that up.
  - Hazou's been there; he'll skip the dressing-down.
  - Next time, treat Orochimaru like a pissed-off Tsunade.
- Welcome to the 'I-pissed-off-all-three-Sannin-and-survived' club.
Cannai:
- Summon him with Mild overcharge (immediately Noburi-treated) once you've recovered.
  - If successful, have him meet the team.
- Reverse-summon to visit Dogs that might agree to join the Riftwar. (Optimize with the team.)
  - Be respectful. Be mindful we're nothing like Kakashi.
  - Emphasize the fight's importance. Note our service to Dog (message running) despite our war.
  - Accept any refusals gracefully.
Discuss ideas for sourcing chakra with the team and later, if they approve, Orochimaru.
- Context: We'll need oceans of chakra for Bosses, Zoo Rush, runes, and Sannin SCs.
  - Optimally, 100-200 chuunin-level batteries.
  - Ideally, they wouldn't be Leaf. (Allowing us to extract only Tsunade and Summoners from Leaf, making it unlikely the Akatsuki at Leaf are tipped off.)
- Recruit Moon's ninja. Their village was ransacked by Hidan. If we explain our anti-Akatsuki mission, and pay tons of gold, would they assist?
  - Or would they fear AMITY more than they hate the Akatsuki?
  - Is there enough survivors?
- Recruit Orochimaru's cultists. Orochimaru/Endo might know where their groups are; they may be fairly populous...
- Raid a minor village (Tea/Moon/Noodle) en-route to O'Uzu.
  - Plan:
    - Trap it under Force Domes, Iron Earth, and Air-Leadeners.
    - Commence mass SC assault via Tsunade, Orochimaru, Mari.
    - Maris freeze targets via TLitF, Orochimarus paralyze them, Noburi drains to unconsciousness.
    - Transport them in a net suspended between Tsunade's SCs.
  - It's extreme and it'll have lasting geopolitical consequences, but it significantly boosts our chances.
    - If we lose, there's no future anyway.
    - Is letting the kidnapped ninja go afterwards feasible? They'd be unconscious; wouldn't see runes.
      - Tsunade'll be there to hopefully prevent Orochimaru from Orochimaruing them.
- Any other ideas?
Grind runic veterancy whenever possible:
- Prioritize RER2. Invoke/Reroll/Timeladder per Hazou's preferences.
- Secondary priorities: Ninja Radar, Force Dome. Target: reliable double-timeladdered infusion.
- If we deplete our chakra, send Noburi and a Hazou SC to resupply from Orochimaru.
Misc:
- Test how much earth Force Dome's chakra pillar pierces.
- Declare (1FP): Hazou advised Naruto to order Leaf Summoners to monofocus training CR and getting their Summons' favor, maximizing the chance of them summoning Bosses for Riftwar.
  - (Make the declaration after veterancy-grinding.)

Cariyaga · Dec 17, 2024

[x] Action Plan: Up to 100% More Atrocities Than the Competitors! No Nukes Though.

Rihaku · Dec 17, 2024

[x] faflec

Sir Stompy · Dec 17, 2024

Noumero said:
Declare (1FP): Hazou advised Naruto to order Leaf Summoners to monofocus training CR and getting their Summons' favor, maximizing the chance of them summoning Bosses for Riftwar.

(Make the declaration after veterancy-grinding.)

I am feeling very nervous about this Declaration and running out of FP this update. Can we just cut it and do it when we get in contact with Leaf? I precommit to remembering it in the future

Noumero said:
Research Superchillers (no-prep yes-DoB).

Infuse deep underground, "burying" the rune's AoE to prevent storms.

Suggest adding the following:

Additionally, infuse and activate a Force Dome above the test site to contain any of the Superchiller AoE that "spills" out. In case it's larger than expected.

redzonejoe · Dec 17, 2024

Well... I did ask for something more intense than post-surgery meetings. Invading a minor village counts.

The monkey's paw curls a finger.

faflec · Dec 17, 2024

redzonejoe said:
Well... I did ask for something more intense than post-surgery meetings. Invading a minor village counts.

The monkey's paw curls a finger.

Depending on what plan wins, we might also accidentally EM Nuke Rune ourselves.

Rafin · Dec 17, 2024

[x] faflec

FaintlySorcerous · Dec 17, 2024

FaintlySorcerous said:
[X] Action Plan: Cry Havoc
Word count: <400
Duration: ~1 day

Noburi:

Hazou's disappointed. He really wanted Noburi watching, but he screwed that up.

Hazou's been there; he'll skip the dressing-down.

Next time, treat Orochimaru like a pissed-off Tsunade.

Welcome to the 'I-pissed-off-all-three-Sannin-and-survived' club.

Cannai:

Summon him with Mild overcharge (immediately Noburi-treated) once you've recovered.

If successful, have him meet the team.

Reverse-summon to visit Dogs that might agree to join the Riftwar. (Optimize with the team.)

Be respectful. Be mindful we're nothing like Kakashi.

Emphasize the fight's importance. Note our service to Dog (message running) despite our war.

Accept any refusals gracefully.

Discuss ideas for sourcing chakra with the team and later, if they approve, Orochimaru.

Context: We'll need oceans of chakra for Bosses, Zoo Rush, runes, and Sannin SCs.

Optimally, 100-200 chuunin-level batteries.

Ideally, they wouldn't be Leaf. (Allowing us to extract only Tsunade and Summoners from Leaf, making it unlikely the Akatsuki at Leaf are tipped off.)

Recruit Moon's ninja. Their village was ransacked by Hidan. If we explain our anti-Akatsuki mission, and pay tons of gold, would they assist?

Or would they fear AMITY more than they hate the Akatsuki?

Is there enough survivors?

Recruit Orochimaru's cultists. Orochimaru/Endo might know where their groups are; they may be fairly populous...

Raid a minor village (Tea/Moon/Noodle) en-route to O'Uzu.

Plan:

Trap it under Force Domes, Iron Earth, and Air-Leadeners.

Commence mass SC assault via Tsunade, Orochimaru, Mari.

Maris freeze targets via TLitF, Orochimarus paralyze them, Noburi drains to unconsciousness.

Transport them in a net suspended between Tsunade's SCs.

It's extreme and it'll have lasting geopolitical consequences, but it significantly boosts our chances.

If we lose, there's no future anyway.

Is letting the kidnapped ninja go afterwards feasible? They'd be unconscious; wouldn't see runes.

Tsunade'll be there to hopefully prevent Orochimaru from Orochimaruing them.

Any other ideas?

Grind runic veterancy whenever possible:

Prioritize RER2. Invoke/Reroll/Timeladder per Hazou's preferences.

Secondary priorities: Ninja Radar, Force Dome. Target: reliable double-timeladdered infusion.

If we deplete our chakra, send Noburi and a Hazou SC to resupply from Orochimaru.

Misc:

Test how much earth Force Dome's chakra pillar pierces.

@Lord Marshal, @Suleverf, @Cariyaga, I have updated my plan in a manner that I feel maintains the original intent but incorporates the Great Chakra Slurp. It's functionally @faflec's fork but with a change (discussed below).

Sir Stompy said:
I am feeling very nervous about this Declaration and running out of FP this update. Can we just cut it and do it when we get in contact with Leaf? I precommit to remembering it in the future

I've taken the Declaration out. I too precommit to remembering this.

faflec · Dec 17, 2024

[X] Action Plan: Cry Havoc

coldcutconvict · Dec 17, 2024

[X] Action Plan: Cry Havoc

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