So goes the running theory. We still haven't managed to talk to a Shikamaru SC
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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The key point being that all the Hazōs think the same, whereas Kei and Snowflake do not.
This. Naruto should have known his own limitations. This was his plan, not ours. And we weren't the ones who screwed it up. (Mandatory HPMOR reference.)
IIRC it's explained that SC doesn't copy bloodlines because the SC doesn't really have a chakra system.
And @eaglejarl was nice enough (or mean enough, if Akatsuki win) to give us a rift to the afterlife. We have a shot at fixing our past failings.
Spider Child: Mommy, there's a scary monster under my bed!Canabisu.
Mother: What's scary about it?
Child: It's missing two eyes!
Screaming in OPSEC
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Wait, what? When? Also, why can't we seduce Sasori? :sadface:
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It is believed that Kei cannot properly process Snowflake's memories since they contain elements she is ordinarily locked off from by the Frozen Skein. This means there is a set of memories in Kei's brain that is unique to Snowflake, and that comes into play every time Kei uses the Shadow Clone Technique and creates a clone that can read those memories.
Edit: this is not to say Kei can't read any of Snowflake's memories. Snowflake can, say, remember what she had for breakfast without needing to exercise forbidden mental functions like initiative.
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@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped Another request for QUINOA, since Oro gave us a map/directions to the honey cave + the other cool spots, could we know more specifically where they are (maybe have their locations marked on the map? Even knowing the maps are imprecise, its helpful). This will be important soon as it will help us assess the risk of going to the Wind chakra water pool.
I guess while you're at it, I expect we're going to ask the other characters in our group how active they think Akatsuki's agents will be near the cave and thereby, how high the risk is, so you may want to discuss it now
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Those of us who want to go to it are wanting to study its effects (with Noburi's help?) to replicate it with runes, but if there is a high chance of bumping into a squad of jonin who will pummel us and drag us to Itachi, I doubt anyone is going to want to go. OTOH if it's more like "a spy might or might not notice you and if they do you'll have an Itachi inbound in a week" I think that's an easier sell.
I think that if we go, the probable player plan would be to identify the cave from the air with our telescopes, then descend into it under cover of night directly from the air, bathe in it, study it, and take samples, then skywalk back out, if that helps model the character responses
I guess while you're at it, I expect we're going to ask the other characters in our group how active they think Akatsuki's agents will be near the cave and thereby, how high the risk is, so you may want to discuss it now
.Those of us who want to go to it are wanting to study its effects (with Noburi's help?) to replicate it with runes, but if there is a high chance of bumping into a squad of jonin who will pummel us and drag us to Itachi, I doubt anyone is going to want to go
. OTOH if it's more like "a spy might or might not notice you and if they do you'll have an Itachi inbound in a week" I think that's an easier sell. I think that if we go, the probable player plan would be to identify the cave from the air with our telescopes, then descend into it under cover of night directly from the air, bathe in it, study it, and take samples, then skywalk back out, if that helps model the character responses
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Noooooooooo! Please don't kill my head canon of Asuma ordering his Shadow Clone to "arrange the death of everyone who knows Elemental Mastery."
Please accept this humorous video about why you must speak carefully around your shadow clones as a bribe.
it is interesting that cannibal naruto clone disobeyed what naruto prime wanted then. perhaps this is the secret to cognitively independent shadow clones oro was seeking all along. he just had to use the cannibal seal on himself.
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Definitely agree on the Superchiller. Priority #1, sorry Kei.
I think we should also get Force Dome, as that's on the short list of Runes that Naruto wanted, and for good reason. Alternatively, a anti-explosion rune would serve to counter Deidara, don't think we prep-day'd that though.
Also, are you talking about Banshee Fucker seals? Because I have to contest the description of Banshee Fucker Runes as 'debuffs'. My model for how those work includes phrases like 'total organ liquefaction' and 'adiabatic incineration'.
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EDIT: NVM, this was already addressed.
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Sorry, I'm confused. What exactly is the idea?
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Might I suggest writing up a brief description for the rune/rune sequence that we (and the QMs) can look at?
If you could point me towards an example or a template, I would be happy to.
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So if the time runes stack multiplicatively. 10 T125 runes will speed up time by 1.25^10 = 9.3x
If they stack additively it'll be 1 + 10*.25 = 3.5x
With the clock ticking on when hunter-nin find us, I really think we should check this out first.
Especially since it'll give us time for the unchained TR150. Which if it stacks multiplicatively will speed up time by 1.5^10 = 57.7!
If they stack additively it'll be 1 + 10*.25 = 3.5x
With the clock ticking on when hunter-nin find us, I really think we should check this out first.
Especially since it'll give us time for the unchained TR150. Which if it stacks multiplicatively will speed up time by 1.5^10 = 57.7!
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@strange_person, would you make a summary of your localized superchiller rune idea? I think it's worth pursuing.
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Wait, so can Kei retain any bursts of inspiration that Snowflake might have had? Would the conclusions gained from exercising forbidden mental functions be retained, with only the qualia and/or process of reaching these conclusions being blocked?
I always kind of imagined this like different memory... formats. Like Kei and Snowflake can access eachother's memories, it's just that those memories are encoded differently or have a different "flavor" or whatever so that both Kei and Snowflake can identify a Snowflake memory vs a Kei memory by qualia alone.
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IDK if we want to be running a TR inside a TR. Sounds kinda dangerous.
Oh. Thank you, @faflec.
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Anti-Conductor
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As the time runes increase or decrease the flow of time within their AoE, the anti-conductor rune decreases (or limits beneath a threshold) electrical conductivity within its AoE.
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For clarity, the purpose of this rune is to take advantage of the indiscriminate effect application observed with the time rune, which evidently influences body internals along with everything else. Specifically, we would want to use that effect (indiscriminate AoE effect -> emergent result) to invisibly instakill people by way of disabling their nervous systems - which would presumably be Hazo's focus during development rather than, say, superconductors.
Given this, the development of this rune is highly lethal. That is: If it works and you are in the AoE at activation, you die. So some precautions like activation delays, triggers, remote (i.e. clones) work, etc. would be very useful.
The Superconductor rune works on the same principle, but increases conductivity instead. It can be used to kill, create levitating mobile (through the Meissner effect) and immobile (through magnetic locking) structures, and perfect reflectors for light-based attacks. But mostly to kill. Presently it is of secondary importance compared to the Anti-Conductor.
The greatest advantage of these runes is that they do not discriminate between classes, S or whatever. They just kill.
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Previous discussion includes multiple possible detailed physical effects through which this rune may impact (kill) people, and which of Hazo's existing knowledge he may use to gain the necessary inspiration for this rune. Such material wasn't necessary for the example rune entries, but I can provide them if needed for further deliberation.
Edit: Something like a "Viscosity Rune" or "Capillary Rune" would also achieve similar results by impacting the cardiovascular system, but they could take a few seconds to kill their targets instead. And that may be unacceptable for essies. Though, on further consideration, it is possible that the viscosity rune would also prevent ion propagation in the nervous system - in which case it instakills everyone too.
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Anti-Conductor
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As the time runes increase or decrease the flow of time within their AoE, the anti-conductor rune decreases (or limits beneath a threshold) electrical conductivity within its AoE.
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For clarity, the purpose of this rune is to take advantage of the indiscriminate effect application observed with the time rune, which evidently influences body internals along with everything else. Specifically, we would want to use that effect (indiscriminate AoE effect -> emergent result) to invisibly instakill people by way of disabling their nervous systems - which would presumably be Hazo's focus during development rather than, say, superconductors.
Given this, the development of this rune is highly lethal. That is: If it works and you are in the AoE at activation, you die. So some precautions like activation delays, triggers, remote (i.e. clones) work, etc. would be very useful.
The Superconductor rune works on the same principle, but increases conductivity instead. It can be used to kill, create levitating mobile (through the Meissner effect) and immobile (through magnetic locking) structures, and perfect reflectors for light-based attacks. But mostly to kill. Presently it is of secondary importance compared to the Anti-Conductor.
The greatest advantage of these runes is that they do not discriminate between classes, S or whatever. They just kill.
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Previous discussion includes multiple possible detailed physical effects through which this rune may impact (kill) people, and which of Hazo's existing knowledge he may use to gain the necessary inspiration for this rune. Such material wasn't necessary for the example rune entries, but I can provide them if needed for further deliberation.
Edit: Something like a "Viscosity Rune" or "Capillary Rune" would also achieve similar results by impacting the cardiovascular system, but they could take a few seconds to kill their targets instead. And that may be unacceptable for essies. Though, on further consideration, it is possible that the viscosity rune would also prevent ion propagation in the nervous system - in which case it instakills everyone too.
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also while time runes stacking multiplicatively is great for speeding time up. if they stack additively that'll be great for the time slow runes. Although compared to time speed runes, getting the time slow runes to overlap will be more complicated. You definitely don't want to infuse them inside the area of the stacked slowdown. And infusing them outside and pushing them together doesn't work either since the runes will slow down from being pushed.
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we can ask hazou pilot. and kagome but he doesn't know runes. but if it's only a chance of sealing failure we might have to risk it. because if we don't get something fast we aren't gonna survive. if it was just hazou's death at stake i might prefer that over destroying akatsuki. but since kei is with us it becomes a lot harder to decide which option i prefer.
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Point. At this point though, couldn't we also have a sky fortress? (OK, maybe I'm a little too enthusiastic about that idea...)
Anyway, should we start on an action plan in case the QMs don't do the interlude?
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[x] Action Plan: Just In Case
- Work on Capacitor and then (time permitting) Icarus while waiting for the exfil to complete.
- Use DoB, no prep, reroll for safety.
- Read Sealing Notes with SCs on rest days.
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Mortal Thickness
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This rune significantly increases the viscosity (or "thickness", as Hazo would know it) of all liquids in its area of effect.
(Alternatively: It sets the thickness of all liquids in its AoE to some reference point)
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The purpose of this rune is to instantly kill everyone in its area of effect at time of application. It is based on the Time Rune's indiscriminate target -> emergent effect phenomenon (targeting "time" in an AoE impacts everything, including the insides of bodies. Now we target "viscosity".) Its exact effect and how Hazo might come about to inventing it are described below:
Hazo is trivially aware of the thinness/thickness of liquids. Since blood is a liquid, this rune could be an obvious next step for him. Since turning it up higher increases the speed of effect (i.e. kills faster by slowing blood circulation further), he will naturally go as high as he can, as with the time rune.
Whether or not he is aware of how neurons actually work, turning the effect up will quickly cross the threshold where ions cannot move through intercellular liquid between the neurons [1]. The instant you cross that threshold, the nervous system dies, and so does the essie.
The greatest advantage of this rune is that, beyond the neuron stoppage threshold, it kills instantly without regard to class differences. Also the fact that Hazo can accidentally invent the (an) ultimate essie killer.
(The nomenclature merely arises from the difference between "thick" and "thin" liquids, I assure you.)
[1]: Edit: By my calculations on the Stokes-Einstein equation, we'd need a viscosity around that of peanut butter for guaranteed instakills. Honey would instantly paralyze, inflict brain damage to, and only mostly kill them (honey goes: instant paralysis + lobotomy -> seizures -> respiratory failure -> cardiac arrest). The viability of a lobotomized essie is in debate, considering Hidan. (We need around 227 Pa.s for total instakills, calculated based on a target diffusion coefficient of 10^{−15} m^2/s. At that diffusion coefficient, ions will be immobilized. Peanut butter is around 150−250 Pa.s. Honey is much lower.)
Rune
This rune significantly increases the viscosity (or "thickness", as Hazo would know it) of all liquids in its area of effect.
(Alternatively: It sets the thickness of all liquids in its AoE to some reference point)
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The purpose of this rune is to instantly kill everyone in its area of effect at time of application. It is based on the Time Rune's indiscriminate target -> emergent effect phenomenon (targeting "time" in an AoE impacts everything, including the insides of bodies. Now we target "viscosity".) Its exact effect and how Hazo might come about to inventing it are described below:
Hazo is trivially aware of the thinness/thickness of liquids. Since blood is a liquid, this rune could be an obvious next step for him. Since turning it up higher increases the speed of effect (i.e. kills faster by slowing blood circulation further), he will naturally go as high as he can, as with the time rune.
Whether or not he is aware of how neurons actually work, turning the effect up will quickly cross the threshold where ions cannot move through intercellular liquid between the neurons [1]. The instant you cross that threshold, the nervous system dies, and so does the essie.
The greatest advantage of this rune is that, beyond the neuron stoppage threshold, it kills instantly without regard to class differences. Also the fact that Hazo can accidentally invent the (an) ultimate essie killer.
(The nomenclature merely arises from the difference between "thick" and "thin" liquids, I assure you.)
[1]: Edit: By my calculations on the Stokes-Einstein equation, we'd need a viscosity around that of peanut butter for guaranteed instakills. Honey would instantly paralyze, inflict brain damage to, and only mostly kill them (honey goes: instant paralysis + lobotomy -> seizures -> respiratory failure -> cardiac arrest). The viability of a lobotomized essie is in debate, considering Hidan. (We need around 227 Pa.s for total instakills, calculated based on a target diffusion coefficient of 10^{−15} m^2/s. At that diffusion coefficient, ions will be immobilized. Peanut butter is around 150−250 Pa.s. Honey is much lower.)
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so like naruto?
question, why do we just not keep it zero contact whit those who exfil but in the 7th path for here on out?, we care more about them not getting tortured, but risking phisical presence seems a bit much. they could just stay on their independent cells and wait until we have the seals ready.