As of Chapter 616 (03/15/1071):
Concern: if someone stumbles upon this post while reading the thread for the first time (either page-by-page, as some madmen do, or because they became interested specifically in the discussion following the chapter after which the quoted post was made), they would end up spoiled regarding Akane's current status. A distant concern, but still. Maybe you can put it under a spoiler, or un-cross Akane?
 
Nah, I think he figured out the Noburi-SC connection. FOOM needs the Resolve training part.

"More chakra means more SC for training" is trivial - anyone who's lacked chakra for their SCs figured that out I assume. "You can just keep getting better at mental fortitude to survive clone sickness with ridiculous amounts of them" is the real secret. THAT said... we don't want to give people a chance to figure that out.
My assumption was that Naruto, who might have used more shadow clones than every other shadow clone user ever combined, already knew about the Resolve requirement, but I might be wrong here. It's possible that he just never noticed since he's been using shadow clones since forever.
 
Concern: if someone stumbles upon this post while reading the thread for the first time (either page-by-page, as some madmen do, or because they became interested specifically in the discussion following the chapter after which the quoted post was made), they would end up spoiled regarding Akane's current status. A distant concern, but still. Maybe you can put it under a spoiler, or un-cross Akane?
Done.
 
My assumption was that Naruto, who might have used more shadow clones than every other shadow clone user ever combined, already knew about the Resolve requirement, but I might be wrong here. It's possible that he just never noticed since he's been using shadow clones since forever.
We already asked him if he had any resolve boosts to use resolve more and he basically just shrugged and said he's built differently

I don't think he really knows what it feels like for everyone else, his jinchuuriki Minato stuff shields him somehow which is why he can use hundreds of clone hours instead of like 50 like everyone else
 
I'm toying with the idea that his SCs are the Fox instead of Naruto himself and that's why he doesn't have to worry about consequences or get insane XP rates from them.
 
I'm toying with the idea that his SCs are the Fox instead of Naruto himself and that's why he doesn't have to worry about consequences or get insane XP rates from them.
I mean, he does seem like he grew pretty strong pretty quick (chuunin/low jonin strength at 17 is pretty impressive even without needing to buy CR) but maybe it was just from having amazing tutors his whole life

Doesn't he get insane XP rates from them, though? Naruto is our age (maybe one year older?), and by the time we invented skywalkers he was already an S ranker.
Seems like individually he isn't S rank, the fact that he can make so many clones is what pushes him into essie territory - even jonin/essies need to worry about huge action economy discrepancy
 
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My assumption was that Naruto, who might have used more shadow clones than every other shadow clone user ever combined, already knew about the Resolve requirement, but I might be wrong here. It's possible that he just never noticed since he's been using shadow clones since forever.
He may have a weird thing going on because iirc he is weak to genjutsu, which may indicate low Resolve, but it's a weird trick of the universe (or the fact that it's a game) that all the things which depend on Resolve help each other. Resisting Enma's presence, not dying of clone sickness, meditation? The assumption that "you just have to get used to more clones for longer and only that will help" is a more rational one IMO, and it's only Hazō's most overpowered ability, Lists Flowcharts and Character Sheets, which allows him to munchkin like that
 
He may have a weird thing going on because iirc he is weak to genjutsu, which may indicate low Resolve, but it's a weird trick of the universe (or the fact that it's a game) that all the things which depend on Resolve help each other. Resisting Enma's presence, not dying of clone sickness, meditation? The assumption that "you just have to get used to more clones for longer and only that will help" is a more rational one IMO, and it's only Hazō's most overpowered ability, Lists Flowcharts and Character Sheets, which allows him to munchkin like that
Actually we were recently told jinchuuriki are immune to genjutsu and auras. The fact that Itachi can genjutsu him with Tsukiyomi is a notable deviation
 
[X] Action Plan: Let the Dogs Out Yourself
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  • Sanity check and optimize with Mari/Kei
    • Thank Kei for her analysis of the Hyena situation, we won't be pursuing the Hyena Scroll
    • Report about Noburi refilling Sasuke and Kei Ruri
      • How do we respond to this? Should we go to Naruto? Ignore it?
    • Suggest Kei/Yuno/Noburi explore the Flame Shade caves to derust
      • If she thinks that's too dangerous, suggest a chakra beast hunt.
  • Dogs:
    • Clear with Cannai first.
    • Ask the Horizon Chasers if they'd be willing to move to Toad.
      • Pangolin could get rather dangerous for Dogs, as it seems the Dogs and Hyenas are on a collision course with the Pangolins.
      • The Toad Sages have invited Hazou to visit and the Horizon Chasers would be their honored guests
        • Double check that with the Toad Sages during one of their visits to Leaf
        • Ask them if they'd be willing to lean on the Toad/Pangolin a little alliance to get permission for the Horizon Chasers to visit
      • Hazou is willing to escort them himself if necessary.
    • (Don't mention to Kei/Mari) Ask Cantahapuyu if she feels comfortable training a human in Technique Hacking, or if the biological differences are too great.
  • Sealing Research
    • Don't begin this until it's clear that we won't be interrupted midway by the Horizon Chasers
    • Use the IN for infusions when possible
    • First track - RRBs
      • Full Prep, invoke as much as possible. Use Kazushi as an assistant if Kagome is busy
      • Reroll a -9 or worse on Sealing/Calligraphy
    • Second track - mixed
      • No prep
      • Only reroll for the mixed track if Hazoupilot thinks he's risking a sealing failure
      • Uninjured Difficulty Check on Great Seal
      • Research Light Shift Seals
      • Finish Substitution seals
      • Then (time permitting) Explosive 2.0
      • On the same day as the infusion for RRBs, research Force Walls w/ SSA
 
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[X] Action Plan: Let the Dogs Out Yourself

This is cooking, I'll try to think if I have any other things to include
 
[X] Action Plan: Let the Dogs Out Yourself
 
Briefly: tell her what Noburi told us, ask her to speculate how much they've figured out about FOOM, and discuss some possible next steps for us (do we talk to Naruto about it? do we say nothing?).

Maybe I'll just write a plan for it later today.
Implemented, somewhat. Lemme know what you think.
  • Sanity check and optimize the following with Mari/Kei
    • Thank Kei for her analysis of the Hyena situation, we don't feel the need to pursue the Hyena Scroll at this time.
    • Report about Noburi being used to refill SCs for training
      • How do we respond to this? Should we go to Naruto? Ignore it?
 
We can download seals, just keep breaking the IN until we can download other cool stuff
Let's see if we can use it to break open jutsu creation as well, tbh. Shadow Clone is proof the standard mudras aren't 100% set in stone, so "perfect eidetic memory and perfect movement recreation" might help us create some cool shinies no one else can do (except maybe Sasuke. let's be friends with our cousin while we're at it)
 
Let's see if we can use it to break open jutsu creation as well, tbh. Shadow Clone is proof the standard mudras aren't 100% set in stone, so "perfect eidetic memory and perfect movement recreation" might help us create some cool shinies no one else can do (except maybe Sasuke. let's be friends with our cousin while we're at it)
It was mentioned already but I think there's a nonzero chance the IN can still do some of the other Sharingan features - since it can copy seals with the visible chakra passageways, it might be that if we could see chakra still, we could copy jutsu as well (do we know if the Sharingan can copy seals in this setting? If we ask anyone it kind of gives away that we can...) Now, to figure out how to see chakra with normal eyeballs 🤔

"Reveal chakra rune" seems like a good start
 
"Reveal chakra rune" seems like a good start
Jman has a seal array that does this that might be worth checking out:

Invisibility Detection Seal

Difficulty: Jōnin
Movable: No
Components: 3
Duration: 1 hour

Makes nearby chakra glow. There will be a soft ambient glow everywhere and otherwise-invisible chakra constructs become visible.

Charming. The Sakamoto Clan has always been irritating. Shall we make a weekend of it?
I could be convinced, Oro. If we could take some live samples, I think there's a lot we could learn.
Come speak with me.
 
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