Negotiating with a resurrected Pain might turn into the least-bad remaining option, so discuss contingencies for that. In particular, what sorts of leverage Leaf would have in such a negotiation, or could reasonably secure if we start working on it now, without seriously compromising our other interests. Shikamaru will surely have ideas.
What points do you feel are lost? I think that they read basically identically, with mine featuring less repetition (and being clearer as a result).
Feels like there's several lines that require a lot of inference on the part of the QMs to a degree I don't want to put on them. Things like "Implication: Minato" or whatever seems pretty unclear to me and I'm not even a QM. I want to explicitly lay out the mind games behind a given path personally.
Seems reasonable, I'll try to work that in tomorrow morning.
What about them? Let Hazou look at them first? I think that if people found out Naruto let him do that they would be fucking pissed but OTOH I suppose they don't need to find out.
Why?
I agree on that one, but the others seem plenty clear to me. I'd like the extra XP given that we're now FOOMing.
Brevity XP is not affected by FOOM and vice versa.
Fair enough.
I don't disagree there are a couple repeated things, some of that was at request of other voters though who wanted certain things emphasized.
My stance hasn't changed- any traps we make are going to be inferior to MS 11+ and run too high a risk of being discovered by Sasori. He only has to notice one to decide the batch's bad and Akatsuki should raze Leaf.
I feel like there are a number of reasons for this, and none if it is because of thread desire/voting habits.
Just for fun, after I finished compiling the big list of events I checked the date of the starting chapter (when we decoded the poetry) both in-universe and irl. Since that day, about a year has passed in the world of Marked for Death, and about a year and a half has passed in the real world. A 1.5x ratio isn't really all that slow, and it came as a bit of a surprise given how it often feels like everything's happening so fast there's no room for any time to pass.
god, yes. if only
Well if you had an idea like that you should have shared it! I don't think we had any ideas like that.
Ami specifically rants about how difficult dealing with him and not being dissected is. So I don't think that example is particularly helping your point.
We don't know anything about the internal political situation of Cloud. In Leaf literally their entire cultural/governmental structure is based around the Hokage.
Re-sold? To who? We can't even sell literal diamonds without provoking a crisis.
Thank you very much for this, and yes, you got it exactly right about what XP represents IMO.
Because if we leave we want to bring them too. Also Noburi doesn't want the job he would just do it if he had to. Mari is the same way.
The main conceit of my plan is that his actions need to make sense regardless of which path Hazou takes. To me it is clear that even if we stay, doing misc clan head shit is just not the best use of Hazou's time. And if we go, he protects what we leave behind much better than if Hazou just abandons his post
- While neither plan commits to staying or leaving, I see Shorter Treason Dragon as taking a somewhat more optimistic attitude towards the possibility of leaving
Perhaps 'figure out why Kabuto is an exception' could be actionable, though it doesn't seem very promising.
@FaintlySorcerous I shortened the plan some and implemented the first two of your asks, I'm still unsure what the point of the Hiashi comment is so I've left it out.
As somebody who wants to leave so bad it physically pains me, I think obviously favoring leaving to Naruto makes it too obvious we're going to, which defeats the point of maintaining deniability for him, in my opinion of course.
Not really sure what this means.
At present, Noburi is your official heir. In the shinobi world, this kind of information is typically public within your own clan (to ensure a smooth transfer of power if you suddenly die on a mission). It is also, unless deliberately kept secret, something monitored by other political forces, who may wish to befriend/corrupt/prepare blackmail material on/etc. your heir in advance, or at least be aware of their beliefs and policy preferences in order not to be blindsided when they take over and start running things differently.
Thank you for this, and I agree: XP is an abstraction for the training and such that happens in the background, and closer time tracking would not be fun for anyone. (As a side note: we're also very generous with Hazō's time. Somehow he's able to do two full-time jobs (clan head, researcher) and get meetings with very busy people whenever he wants, regardless of whether he has Shadow Clones available.)
This wouldn't take any FP or wordcount. Hazō and Noburi went straight to the Nara estate and told Kei and Shikamaru what Noburi had learned. The two said they had no idea about it but they would discuss the implications and check the family's private records to see if there was anything relevant.
We'll remove Itachi's mention of the Tenfold Abomination to preserve continuity. It's worth noting that this is actually to your (slight) advantage overall. Itachi went on to say that he didn't want to share Akatsuki forbidden lore unless Hazō joined, since otherwise he'd potentially be spilling it to all of Leaf. If you weren't going to get meaningful lore out of him regardless, it's better to have a potential enemy unaware of how much Hazō knows.
