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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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[X] Action Plan: Schrodinger's Treason Dragon
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Here's a section-by-section edit which I think preserves the tone and clarity while dropping the plan under 300 words.
Shrooms said:
Hazou doesn't know what to think, and needs time to consider. And, somewhat obviously, wouldn't tell Naruto so he can maintain deniability either way.
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  • We wanted an open-minded Hokage. This definitely qualifies. Thank you.
  • We don't know. We'll think about it.
    • If we definitively decide to stay at some point, should we say? We're credibly a strategic asset and it could inform his planning.
    • We won't indicate anything otherwise.
This adds wordcount and could probably be cut down - especially the first line, which is a whole-cloth addition of my own, but I think it's worth taking the time to explicitly thank Naruto for this. This is a big swing and extension of trust on his part.

I think asking if he wants to know if we decide to stay is reasonable: there's a tradeoff in having some potentially-dangerous meta-knowledge and being able to make long-term plans certain that Hazo is sticking around.
Shrooms said:
Potentially noteworthy, regarding Hazou's fears of Goketsu being punished/ exploited by Akatsuki should he defect, that Jiraiya always intended Naruto to become Clan Head.
  • Hazou's unsure what Naruto thinks about it. The Uzumaki legacy is certainly important too.
  • But, treason-wrangler Naruto could plausibly take advantage of this fact from Jiraiya's will to undermine treason-Hazou's political influence/authority. This could even be additional grounds to make treason-Hazou go rogue.
  • Naturally, this grants Naruto access to Pangolin armor techniques without getting Kei in trouble.
  • Goketsu's new patriarch being Naruto himself adds yet more psychological deterrence for Akatsuki enacting retribution on the remaining Goketsu, lessening some consequences of leaving.
  • Would this be okay if Hazou didn't leave?
  • No need to commit right now. But consider it?
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  • For Naruto's consideration…:
    • Tone: the Uzumaki legacy is incredibly valuable. We're floating an idea.
    • Jiraiya always intended Naruto to be Lord Goketsu.
    • One: Naruto "taking" the clan, ostensibly to curtail Hazo, gives him/Kagome motivation to leave.
    • Two: Naruto gains legitimate access to Pangolin armour techniques.
    • Three: Naruto could deter/soften Akatsuki reprisal.
    • If we didn't go missing, points two and three still stand.
This doesn't really change anything other than cutting out a lot of IMO unnecessary words and repetition. Maybe explicitly asking if Naruto would still find this palatable even if we don't go missing would be worthwhile - if that's the case, stuff can be cut in the sections above and below to make room.
Shrooms said:
If he stays... honestly he's not sure how they can win currently. He'll think of more options but it looks pretty grim right now. Not that leaving is especially promising.
  • The extent of 3D sealing's abilities remain unknown. Maybe investigating its capabilities will make it more obvious if it can fortify Leaf against invasion, making surviving the aftermath of the rearguard attack viable.
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  • If we stay…there's no clear path to victory. We'll work on it, but it looks grim.
    • Not that leaving seems especially promising.
    • We might look into defensive runes - fortifying Leaf against invasion would be extremely valuable whatever we do.
Quite frankly I'm not sure why this section is here because Naruto knows there's no clear path to victory if we stay - he said it - and it's also clear that leaving isn't promising in and of itself. Discussing what we might potentially research doesn't seem very useful, but I guess it's got some merit?
Shrooms said:
Either case, Hazou needs to spend time healing and teach Orochimaru lithosealing.
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  • Regardless, Hazo needs to heal and teach Orochimaru lithosealing.
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Shrooms said:
Does Naruto want the key to cracking Minato's notes? Akatsuki doesn't know it and tmay come back to interrogate Naruto if they fail infusions, but it would mean the secret is still with Leaf even if Hazou leaves.
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  • Does Naruto want the key to Minato's notes? The Akatsuki don't know and might fail infusions. There's a risk they interrogate Naruto, but it keeps the secret with Leaf even if Hazo leaves.
    • If so, explain. His father was a better poet than he let on. Does Naruto have any ideas for cracking the rest of the notes?
Obviously I'm attached to the line 'his father was a better poet than he let on' because I think it'd be a fun moment for a man objectively terrible at poetry. Asking if Naruto has any ideas given that extra knowledge seems smart as it's a big contextual clue. Maybe there is some extra poetry Naruto never shared with anyone.
Shrooms said:
What resources is Naruto willing to share with Hazou? It needs to be things Naruto would share in either Hazou decision, ostensibly out of gratitude for Hazou's election help, so neither of them are biased towards expecting a given decision and to maintain deniability. To be clear, nothing is fine too, but Hazou may as well ask.
  • Jutsu? Any relevant Lore, like Whirlpool or something? Any remaining Minato Sealing insights for sealing/3D Sealing? Any mind-strengthening tricks for researching with parallel SCs?
  • Can Hazou examine the other Akatsuki seal submittals?
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  • Is there anything Naruto can share with Hazo?
    • Jutsu? Relevant lore (Whirlpool)? Anything from his father's notes on sealing? Mind-strengthening tricks for parallel SC research?
    • Would Naruto consider open-sourcing (within Leaf) the Akatsuki seal submissions?
    • Anything shared would need to be plausible regardless of whether we left so neither party is biased towards expecting a decision. Gratitude for the election is a potential cover story?
I am mildly-to-moderately allergic to the phrasing 'what is Naruto willing to share with Hazo' because it feels a little entitled. Otherwise, this is basically the same thing with some word-saving sections and modifying the request about the Akatsuki seal blanks to open-sourcing them, not just sharing them with Hazo.
Shrooms said:
SC for Kagome. They didn't tell him to stop researching the Rift and in Hazou's estimation is likely a jonin-level sealmaster himself. In fact, he is regularly overlooked, which could be an advantage.
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  • SC for Kagome? He's an often-overlooked jonin sealmaster, and the Akatsuki didn't demand he stop Rift research.
I worry that asking like this is going to bite us in the ass - Naruto could point out that the Akatsuki aren't going to be entertained by our careful interpretation of their requests and deny Kagome SC on those grounds.
The whole thing is below. I legitimately think it's a more readable and therefore stronger plan, but obviously reasonable people could disagree.
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  • Well, we wanted an open-minded Hokage. This definitely qualifies. Thank you.
  • We don't know. We'll think about it.
    • If we definitively decide to stay at some point, should we say? We're credibly a strategic asset and it could inform his planning.
    • We won't indicate anything otherwise.
  • For Naruto's consideration…:
    • Tone: the Uzumaki legacy is incredibly valuable. We're floating an idea.
    • Jiraiya always intended Naruto to be Lord Goketsu.
    • One: Naruto "taking" the clan, ostensibly to curtail Hazo, gives him/Kagome motivation to leave.
    • Two: Naruto gains legitimate access to Pangolin armour techniques.
    • Three: Naruto could deter/soften Akatsuki reprisal.
    • If we didn't go missing, points two and three still stand.
  • If we stay…there's no clear path to victory. We'll work on it, but it looks grim.
    • Not that leaving seems especially promising.
    • We might look into defensive runes - fortifying Leaf against invasion would be extremely valuable whatever we do.
  • Regardless, Hazo needs to heal and teach Orochimaru lithosealing.
  • Does Naruto want the key to Minato's notes? The Akatsuki don't know and might fail infusions. There's a risk they interrogate Naruto, but it keeps the secret with Leaf even if Hazo leaves.
    • If so, explain. His father was a better poet than he let on. Does Naruto have any ideas for cracking the rest of the notes?
  • Is there anything Naruto can share with Hazo?
    • Jutsu? Relevant lore (Whirlpool)? Anything from his father's notes on sealing? Mind-strengthening tricks for parallel SC research?
    • Would Naruto consider open-sourcing (within Leaf) the Akatsuki seal submissions?
    • Anything shared would need to be plausible regardless of whether we left so neither party is biased towards expecting a decision. Gratitude for the election is a potential cover story?
  • SC for Kagome? He's an often-overlooked jonin sealmaster, and the Akatsuki didn't demand he stop Rift research.
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Minor idea for the plan.

Could we work in a "hey, I know you're taking a huge risk here... whatever I decide, thank you for the trust" sorta thing? Don't ruin the wordcount over it, but it would be nice to specifically acknowledge the trust Naruto is putting in us here.
 
FaintlySorcerous said:
Here's a section-by-section edit which I think preserves the tone and clarity while dropping the plan under 300 words.
  • We wanted an open-minded Hokage. This definitely qualifies. Thank you.
  • We don't know. We'll think about it.
    • If we definitively decide to stay at some point, should we say? We're credibly a strategic asset and it could inform his planning.
    • We won't indicate anything otherwise.
This adds wordcount and could probably be cut down - especially the first line, which is a whole-cloth addition of my own, but I think it's worth taking the time to explicitly thank Naruto for this. This is a big swing and extension of trust on his part.

I think asking if he wants to know if we decide to stay is reasonable: there's a tradeoff in having some potentially-dangerous meta-knowledge and being able to make long-term plans certain that Hazo is sticking around.

  • For Naruto's consideration…:
    • Tone: the Uzumaki legacy is incredibly valuable. We're floating an idea.
    • Jiraiya always intended Naruto to be Lord Goketsu.
    • One: Naruto "taking" the clan, ostensibly to curtail Hazo, gives him/Kagome motivation to leave.
    • Two: Naruto gains legitimate access to Pangolin armour techniques.
    • Three: Naruto could deter/soften Akatsuki reprisal.
    • If we didn't go missing, points two and three still stand.
This doesn't really change anything other than cutting out a lot of IMO unnecessary words and repetition. Maybe explicitly asking if Naruto would still find this palatable even if we don't go missing would be worthwhile - if that's the case, stuff can be cut in the sections above and below to make room.

  • If we stay…there's no clear path to victory. We'll work on it, but it looks grim.
    • Not that leaving seems especially promising.
    • We might look into defensive runes - fortifying Leaf against invasion would be extremely valuable whatever we do.
Quite frankly I'm not sure why this section is here because Naruto knows there's no clear path to victory if we stay - he said it - and it's also clear that leaving isn't promising in and of itself. Discussing what we might potentially research doesn't seem very useful, but I guess it's got some merit?

  • Regardless, Hazo needs to heal and teach Orochimaru lithosealing.
Straight reduction in wordcount.

  • Does Naruto want the key to Minato's notes? The Akatsuki don't know and might fail infusions. There's a risk they interrogate Naruto, but it keeps the secret with Leaf even if Hazo leaves.
    • If so, explain. His father was a better poet than he let on. Does Naruto have any ideas for cracking the rest of the notes?
Obviously I'm attached to the line 'his father was a better poet than he let on' because I think it'd be a fun moment for a man objectively terrible at poetry. Asking if Naruto has any ideas given that extra knowledge seems smart as it's a big contextual clue. Maybe there is some extra poetry Naruto never shared with anyone.

  • Is there anything Naruto can share with Hazo?
    • Jutsu? Relevant lore (Whirlpool)? Anything from his father's notes on sealing? Mind-strengthening tricks for parallel SC research?
    • Would Naruto consider open-sourcing (within Leaf) the Akatsuki seal submissions?
    • Anything shared would need to be plausible regardless of whether we left so neither party is biased towards expecting a decision. Gratitude for the election is a potential cover story?
I am mildly-to-moderately allergic to the phrasing 'what is Naruto willing to share with Hazo' because it feels a little entitled. Otherwise, this is basically the same thing with some word-saving sections and modifying the request about the Akatsuki seal blanks to open-sourcing them, not just sharing them with Hazo.

  • SC for Kagome? He's an often-overlooked jonin sealmaster, and the Akatsuki didn't demand he stop Rift research.
I worry that asking like this is going to bite us in the ass - Naruto could point out that the Akatsuki aren't going to be entertained by our careful interpretation of their requests and deny Kagome SC on those grounds.
The whole thing is below. I legitimately think it's a more readable and therefore stronger plan, but obviously reasonable people could disagree.
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I really like these changes.
 
Ami's going to come back to Leaf to find Hazou gone, Naruto in charge of the Goketsu, other clans up in arms at the Hokage seizing control of a voting clan, the civilians rioting because their newest Hokage made their hero leave, and Orochimaru conjuring new bio-rune horrors in his basement. :p
 
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Ami's going to come back to Leaf to find Hazou gone, Naruto in charge of the Goketsu, other clans up in arms at the Hokage seizing control of a voting clan, the civilians rioting because their newest Hokage made their hero leave, and Orochimaru conjuring new bio-rune horrors in his basement. :p
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Ami: "...sage-damned clan councils."

And so began Ami's quest to teach the Hivemind about better governance systems.
 
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    I missed it! Nooooooo!……….

    …welp. I like the quantum treason plan. It's a shame that Naruto may lose the Uzumaki vote, but frankly he's been slated as Goketsu since Jiraiya came up with the name, so…

    Ok, so healing, training Orochimaru, gathering lithosealing materials… what else?

    Ooh! We can invite Orochimaru to go missing nin with us and Kagome! It's a training trip of sealsmasters! He can be our apprentice!

    Yup. Nothing can go wrong with this plan. It's genius, and it can't go wrong, because we're invincible!

    *lightning strike*

    Guys, I've acted as a grounding agent for Murphy. Run, now, while he's distracted!
     
    Can someone explain to me their assessment of why we should interact with Orochimaru?

    In my mind, every interaction with Orochimaru is an interaction that is more likely to increase our death. I'd say that if we interacted with Orochimaru directly and without Tsunade or someone of similar power levels 10 times, we would be dead 2 out of those 10 times.

    I think a lot of people might say that Tsunade extracted a promise out of Orochimaru to not harm us. I don't think we can trust in promises that Orochimaru makes because he has already broken implied and explicit promises in his history. I don't think anyone can refute this?

    I think we just got lucky with the Dragon related thing.

    I think that if we were to be apprenticed to Orochimaru or interact with him in any regular way we would be dead or wish we were dead post haste.

    I am curious as to why other people think that interacting with Orochimaru reguarly would ever be good. (I understand that he is a possible path to immortality. I however, think that if we survive for 25 years, in game, that we are 100% going to get to immortality on our own, based on our power scaling, opportunities, and rift existing)

    On another note, should we consider trying to do the ritual again that let us see Jiraiya in the after-life but this time trying to see what Pain is doing?
     
    Saint said:
    Can someone explain to me their assessment of why we should interact with Orochimaru?
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    We need a fallback plan to fix the Great Seal in case Hazou dies and Oro is the best option, even compared to Kagome, who may also die if Hazou is in a lethal situation. I think we can be fairly certain Oro ain't gonna die anytime soon

    Saint said:
    I think a lot of people might say that Tsunade extracted a promise out of Orochimaru to not harm us. I don't think we can trust in promises that Orochimaru makes because he has already broken implied and explicit promises in his history. I don't think anyone can refute this?
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    Are you sure this can't be refuted? Can you name a time where he broke an explicit oath you can be certain he made?

    Saint said:
    (I understand that he is a possible path to immortality. I however, think that if we survive for 25 years, in game, that we are 100% going to get to immortality on our own, based on our power scaling, opportunities, and rift existing)
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    There is no doubt we will be immortal if we survive 25 years. The question is if we will survive the next one or two, which means getting stronger, fast.

    Saint said:
    On another note, should we consider trying to do the ritual again that let us see Jiraiya in the after-life but this time trying to see what Pain is doing?
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    Would rather try it on Akane than pain personally to verify she actually died, but I have no strong interest in doing either one. If the ritual were indeed Jashin influenced which I suspect it was, I doubt he's giving us two freebies personally. Though ig we've killed a few people since then so shrug
     
    Saint said:
    Can someone explain to me their assessment of why we should interact with Orochimaru?

    In my mind, every interaction with Orochimaru is an interaction that is more likely to increase our death. I'd say that if we interacted with Orochimaru directly and without Tsunade or someone of similar power levels 10 times, we would be dead 2 out of those 10 times.

    I think a lot of people might say that Tsunade extracted a promise out of Orochimaru to not harm us. I don't think we can trust in promises that Orochimaru makes because he has already broken implied and explicit promises in his history. I don't think anyone can refute this?

    I think we just got lucky with the Dragon related thing.

    I think that if we were to be apprenticed to Orochimaru or interact with him in any regular way we would be dead or wish we were dead post haste.

    I am curious as to why other people think that interacting with Orochimaru reguarly would ever be good. (I understand that he is a possible path to immortality. I however, think that if we survive for 25 years, in game, that we are 100% going to get to immortality on our own, based on our power scaling, opportunities, and rift existing)

    On another note, should we consider trying to do the ritual again that let us see Jiraiya in the after-life but this time trying to see what Pain is doing?
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    At the end of the day, he really is one of the best sealmasters in the world and one of the ninja in the best position to help Do Something about the dragons. If we're taking the threat they pose seriously (and we should, 100%, the alternative is that everyone dies) then we need to give Orochimaru what he needs to get cracking on the problem.

    Since that means we're stuck teaching him lithosealing, we may as well get some value for ourselves out of it, hence the "trade" part of things. I do personally prefer trade options that lean towards the immediate specifically because it means we don't have to worry about Orochimaru changing his mind and deciding it's simpler to just essie all over us instead of holding up his end of the bargain (or, like, finding some way to weasel out or otherwise cheat us, etc.)

    Similarly, we're stuck teaching him lithosealing which means we'll have to actually spend time with him teaching him all that stuff in-person. This isn't a very comfortable position to be in, but if we have no choice we may as well also look at trade options that leverage this situation.

    What I do agree with you about, though, is that once the tutoring is done I want out. Long-term interaction with Orochimaru is and remains a risk to our health, sanity, and/or social links. Especially if he no longer has a strong reason like "I need him to keep tutoring me" keeping him interested in not essie-ing all over us. I don't want to be his apprentice, in other words. But I do think he can be reasoned with and interacted with relatively safely, and that we kinda have to do that for the sake of humanity.
     
    Shrooms said:
    We need a fallback plan to fix the Great Seal in case Hazou dies and Oro is the best option, even compared to Kagome, who may also die if Hazou is in a lethal situation. I think we can be fairly certain Oro ain't gonna die anytime soon
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    This makes sense to me, but I think our interaction should be limited to just having a secret cache of information for Orochimaru in case we do die, rather than interacting with Orochimaru.

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    Are you sure this can't be refuted? Can you name a time where he broke an explicit oath you can be certain he made?
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    I assume that leaving Leaf was the explicit breaking of an Oath. I assume that leaving Akatsuki was the explicit breaking of an Oath. I assume that killing Leaf ninja is the explicit breaking of an Oath. I assume that experimenting on Leaf ninja is the explicit breaking of an oath. I feel like this is enough examples, and I am almost certain that Orochimaru has absolutely no problem whatsoever lying to people, breaking promises, killing people, torturing people, doing any evil act provided it is in his interest despite any oath, promise, pinky promise, contract, or anything else.

    Shrooms said:
    There is no doubt we will be immortal if we survive 25 years. The question is if we will survive the next one or two, which means getting stronger, fast.
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    To me, this is an argument in my favor. Orochimaru is one of the few ninja in the world that can kill us easily and is close by and has reason to torture us to death.

    Shrooms said:
    Would rather try it on Akane than pain personally to verify she actually died, but I have no strong interest in doing either one. If the ritual were indeed Jashin influenced which I suspect it was, I doubt he's giving us two freebies personally. Though ig we've killed a few people since then so shrug
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    The idea here is to spy on Pain to have more information regarding what he is doing in the Rift as it might affect our plans regarding the Rift and Akatsuki.
     
    Inferno Vulpix said:
    At the end of the day, he really is one of the best sealmasters in the world and one of the ninja in the best position to help Do Something about the dragons. If we're taking the threat they pose seriously (and we should, 100%, the alternative is that everyone dies) then we need to give Orochimaru what he needs to get cracking on the problem.

    Since that means we're stuck teaching him lithosealing, we may as well get some value for ourselves out of it, hence the "trade" part of things. I do personally prefer trade options that lean towards the immediate specifically because it means we don't have to worry about Orochimaru changing his mind and deciding it's simpler to just essie all over us instead of holding up his end of the bargain (or, like, finding some way to weasel out or otherwise cheat us, etc.)

    Similarly, we're stuck teaching him lithosealing which means we'll have to actually spend time with him teaching him all that stuff in-person. This isn't a very comfortable position to be in, but if we have no choice we may as well also look at trade options that leverage this situation.

    What I do agree with you about, though, is that once the tutoring is done I want out. Long-term interaction with Orochimaru is and remains a risk to our health, sanity, and/or social links. Especially if he no longer has a strong reason like "I need him to keep tutoring me" keeping him interested in not essie-ing all over us. I don't want to be his apprentice, in other words. But I do think he can be reasoned with and interacted with relatively safely, and that we kinda have to do that for the sake of humanity.
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    This seems reasonable. I would put forth the idea that notes on paper explaining lithosealing and the such would work as well. Maybe not as well, but why take the risk of interacting with Orochimaru.

    However, if the idea is that most people support: A quick interaction where we make a deal with Orochimaru regarding lithosealing for cool stuff and then stop interacting, that seems fine to me.

    I believe though, that there are a lot of people who want to apprentice to Orochimaru or try to sway him to our side or work with him closely.
     
    Alright fellow posters I'm taking the temperature of the thread for our near-term sealing/lithosealing projects.

    Please respond with your top 2 Sealing projects you'd like to see us pursue next, and the top 2 Primordial Sealing projects you'd like to pursue next.

    Remember that Hazou is injured right now, so anything more difficult than chunin level is out.

    My next two Sealing projects:
    Force Walls - A chunin level seal the basis of our potential major combat buff. Force Wall weaponry.

    Noburi Barrel Seals - unknown difficulty, likely not Jounin since a Wakahisa untrained in Sealing can infuse it. If we're going to be looking at seals that can provide chakra, this is a good place to start.

    My next two Primordial Seals:

    Air Dome Rune - probably not too difficult, a useful barrier seal turned into a rune and pushed for maximum strength. If we can get the Durability to 8 we have something that plausibly delay Akatsuki for a few Rounds. Durability 10 would force them to invoke/boost to scratch it.

    Hyperbolic Time Chamber - difficulty is probably lol lmao, but you never know. What we lack most right now is time, so a rune that speeds up time within a certain radius is certainly something we can put to good use.

    Please ping me in your response so I can keep track of your ideas.
     
    Sir Stompy said:
    Alright fellow posters I'm taking the temperature of the thread for our near-term sealing/lithosealing projects.

    Please respond with your top 2 Sealing projects you'd like to see us pursue next, and the top 2 Primordial Sealing projects you'd like to pursue next.

    Remember that Hazou is injured right now, so anything more difficult than chunin level is out.

    My next two Sealing projects:
    Force Walls - A chunin level seal the basis of our potential major combat buff. Force Wall weaponry.

    Noburi Barrel Seals - unknown difficulty, likely not Jounin since a Wakahisa untrained in Sealing can infuse it. If we're going to be looking at seals that can provide chakra, this is a good place to start.

    My next two Primordial Seals:

    Air Dome Rune - probably not too difficult, a useful barrier seal turned into a rune and pushed for maximum strength. If we can get the Durability to 8 we have something that plausibly delay Akatsuki for a few Rounds. Durability 10 would force them to invoke/boost to scratch it.

    Hyperbolic Time Chamber - difficulty is probably lol lmao, but you never know. What we lack most right now is time, so a rune that speeds up time within a certain radius is certainly something we can put to good use.

    Please ping me in your response so I can keep track of your ideas.
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    Seals:
    • Light Shift seal: intended to be wrapped around a telescope, shifts light a little bit towards violet as it passes through. The first step on my plan to get Hazou to discover IR light and radio.
    • Force walls sound fine.
    Runes:
    • Storage rune, because we've only done one of the two bread-and-butter seals in rune form. This should be about as easy as rune projects get and the possibilities for how they'll surpass paper storage seals are interesting.
    • Air dome rune sounds fine.
     
    Sir Stompy said:
    Alright fellow posters I'm taking the temperature of the thread for our near-term sealing/lithosealing projects.

    Please respond with your top 2 Sealing projects you'd like to see us pursue next, and the top 2 Primordial Sealing projects you'd like to pursue next.

    Remember that Hazou is injured right now, so anything more difficult than chunin level is out.

    My next two Sealing projects:
    Force Walls - A chunin level seal the basis of our potential major combat buff. Force Wall weaponry.

    Noburi Barrel Seals - unknown difficulty, likely not Jounin since a Wakahisa untrained in Sealing can infuse it. If we're going to be looking at seals that can provide chakra, this is a good place to start.

    My next two Primordial Seals:

    Air Dome Rune - probably not too difficult, a useful barrier seal turned into a rune and pushed for maximum strength. If we can get the Durability to 8 we have something that plausibly delay Akatsuki for a few Rounds. Durability 10 would force them to invoke/boost to scratch it.

    Hyperbolic Time Chamber - difficulty is probably lol lmao, but you never know. What we lack most right now is time, so a rune that speeds up time within a certain radius is certainly something we can put to good use.

    Please ping me in your response so I can keep track of your ideas.
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    Paper seals - I agree with your picks. Hopefully barrel seal knowledge will contribute to the eventual Sage Stone project. Veterancy bonuses for research don't cross over but general esoteric knowledge might.

    Runes - air dome rune, strongest explosive rune we can make
     
    Inferno Vulpix said:
    Light Shift seal: intended to be wrapped around a telescope, shifts light a little bit towards violet as it passes through. The first step on my plan to get Hazou to discover IR light and radio.
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    I note that we have light relays that are trivially easy, and if HOWS is anything to go off of, we can trivially change which color it reacts to (in an instant Hazou could change what color HOWS produced). We can attempt past-red with the light relay and observe the effects.

    If that fails though I'm interested in pursuing your idea.
     
    Sir Stompy said:
    Please respond with your top 2 Sealing projects you'd like to see us pursue next, and the top 2 Primordial Sealing projects you'd like to pursue next.
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    If possible, I'd like Hazou to probe the difficulty of these projects before fully committing to them. Simple does not always mean easy and I do not want him to hurt himself doing exploratory research.

    Seals:
    1. Noburi's barrel seals as a basis for chakra gathering. We will need human compatible chakra in order to be FOOMitaves, but large amounts of any chakra may be sufficient for keeping the rift open instead of having to convince Naruto to experience excruciating pain from opening all of his tenketsu.
    2. Privacy seals, whatever Leaf has available. If we have to leave Leaf we need to ensure no one can find us and that includes angry Hyuuga and/or Inuzuka trackers, not to mention possibly Itachi with his cheating eyeballs too.
    Runes:
    1. Off-switches for runes. Right now any rune Hazou makes must be used up in order to not leave it lying around for someone to discover as infused runes have a nasty habit of being mostly immobile. This could also coincide with work on the Great Seal as it may be necessary for Hazou to turn off the Great Seal in order to make lasting in depth repairs to it.
    2. Air dome runes, in order to hopefully encase all of Fire Country or perhaps the rift site itself in a nearly impenetrable yet translucent barrier. Also since Hazou understands air dome seals well enough seeing the differences between the seal and rune versions would be useful information in and of itself.
     
    Sir Stompy said:
    Alright fellow posters I'm taking the temperature of the thread for our near-term sealing/lithosealing projects.

    Please respond with your top 2 Sealing projects you'd like to see us pursue next, and the top 2 Primordial Sealing projects you'd like to pursue next.
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    Basically anything that helps us build veterancy towards rift research, such that we'd be making "progress" to affecting the rift without Akatsuki offing us for disobeying Itachi. If we are serious about actually opposing Akatsuki on this matter, then we should be scraping every last inch of time we have into advancing our research without risk of Akatsuki interrupt. Thus:

    Seals:
    • Implosion Seal: Storage seal variant, dimensionalism-related, lets us filter and interact with specific matter (air).
    • Instant Darkness Seal: Likely works by absorbing/removing all light within an area and therefore lets us interact with and filter out photons, likely dimensionalism-related.
    Runes:
    • Storage Rune: Standard, should be hilariously easy, dimensionalism-related, probably builds veterancy for anything related to dimensionalism, the salt generated if Itachi kills us over this will crash the market.
    • Chakdar v1: Standard, should be pretty easy, dimensionalism-related, builds veterancy for defensive detection runes.
     
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