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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Velorien said:
Doesn't that depend where you pin that point? Off the top of my head, you could pick anywhere from when they got Hiruzen as their instructor at the age of 12 to when they defeated Hanzō of the Salamander as experienced jōnin.
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It most definitely does. I definitely feel that we are somewhere in the middle and that as long as we start putting in the effort we will be able to match them.
 
Sentient Tree said:
Doesn't spider silk shrink when lit on fire? So there still could be negative consequences for being hit by a fire jutsu and surviving.
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Worrying that a thing isn't a perfect defense is no reason not to do it. Armor from physical attacks is still really good.

A more important question is how long will it take to come up with a workable design. We are about 50/50 when it comes to engineering solutions. Plus there's the opportunity cost of spending so much time negotiating with the spiders.

Those are my concerns
 
Oneiros said:
Since it's been over a year since we did anything I would consider ambitious it's def time to stop piddling around with little stuff. It is time to go and start making our legend since the second sannin are all available.
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Plus, dragons are a thing. To paraphrase your own words: "It's time to go full Ryugami on these assholes."
 
Inspired from @Oneiros post:

@faflec, Joker of Knowledge, I summon you.

I remember that we asked Jiraiya whether he could make Naruto a temporary summoner of the toads so they could reverse summon him from wherever Akatsuki held him, but I don't remember why that didn't happen.

Was that because transferring summonership is frowned upon or was it merely because Naruto was a jinchuuriki and therefore banned from being a summoner to begin with?

If it's just the latter then that could be our last resort method of getting Kagome to inspect the dragon seal personally, at the cost of Hazou or Noburi (temporarily?) transferring their summoning scroll to him.

Having Hazou reproduce the seal as a 3D print, something he is uniquely positioned to do due to his bloodline imprinting it perfectly, would obviously be easier and preferrable. But hey, it could be an option worth keeping in mind.
 
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Tua said:
Inspired from @Oneiros post:

@faflec, Joker of Knowledge, I summon you.

I remember that we asked Jiraiya whether he could make Naruto a temporary summoner of the toads so they could reverse summon him from wherever Akatsuki held him, but I don't remember why that didn't happen.

Was that because transferring summonership is frowned upon or was it merely because Naruto was a jinchuuriki and therefore banned from being a summoner to begin with?

If it's just the latter then that could be our last resort method of getting Kagome to inspect the dragon seal personally, at the cost of Hazou or Noburi (temporarily?) transferring their summoning scroll to him.

Having Hazou reproduce the seal as a 3D print, something he is uniquely positioned to do due to his bloodline imprinting it perfectly, would obviously be easier and preferrable. But hey, it could be an option worth keeping in mind.
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eaglejarl said:
Jiraiya looked thoughtful. "Huh. Interesting idea." He pondered it for a minute. "So far as I know, no one has ever tried that. I can't say for sure what would happen, but I'm reasonably sure it wouldn't work. Summoning contracts are essentially very elaborate, very powerful seals. Intent and identity matter when you're doing sealing, so I'd be very surprised if you could sign for someone else. Aside from that, I don't know where we'd get a sample of his blood and chakra. Still, good thought. And good job on the OPSEC."
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That never stops being impressive.

But eh, that means we don't have an answer since the situations didn't match as closely as I'd thought they did.

Still optimistic it'd work though.
 
Oneiros said:
Worrying that a thing isn't a perfect defense is no reason not to do it. Armor from physical attacks is still really good.

A more important question is how long will it take to come up with a workable design. We are about 50/50 when it comes to engineering solutions. Plus there's the opportunity cost of spending so much time negotiating with the spiders.

Those are my concerns
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Just outsource the whole thing to the weaving and clothing industry at large. We don't need to come up with an engineering solution ourselves. Plus, we have civilians that can do engineering for us when we have the finance. Right now, our number #1 concern should be getting doggos gold. The more trade we do, the better off Leaf and the clan will be.

Hazo can't do much of anything given his injuries. So all he can do is 1) research, and 2) finding way to make money.
 
Oneiros said:
Yeah getting Kagome the spider scroll would improve our chances of winning the war immensely
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I really wish the group had gone with the bloodline which allowed the protagonist to simply hear the threadmind. Oh, the things I could have done with that. Even today I could end industrial civilization multiple ways just by accident. Put me back in the 1200s? Phew. We would start with, "hey, here's how to make ammonia and turn it into explosive compounds" and proceed to "here's how to use graphite to make natural uranium ore react in a pile so you can use chemical instead of isotopic separation for the relevant parts and oh, hey, implosion lenses were kinda difficult back in the 40s, but are child's play to anybody with a modern computer." Then we'd start discussing how to properly gestate self-replicating autocatalytic systems ending up with things like communally anthrax-borne ebolapox designed to have its facilitatory anaerobic spores cross-link carbon bonds and turn the world's most inelastic energy commodity into useless sludge overnight.
 
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I may be a tad irritated with a certain piece of geography at the moment and deciding if I should continue to be.
 
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Kiba said:
Right now, our number #1 concern should be getting doggos gold. The more trade we do, the better off Leaf and the clan will be.
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Why? What plot gets advanced if we do? What is the consequence if we don't?

Kiba said:
Hazo can't do much of anything given his injuries. So all he can do is 1) research, and 2) finding way to make money.
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Well he can still summon. He still has shadow clones. Which makes him more capable than the last time he went on a scroll hunt with severe injuries
 
Oneiros said:
Why? What plot gets advanced if we do? What is the consequence if we don't?
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We are like 1 hit point away from death, financially. All it takes is for a big bad wolf to blow down our house of cards.

Oneiros said:
Well he can still summon. He still has shadow clones. Which makes him more capable than the last time he went on a scroll hunt with severe injuries
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AFAIK, Hazo can't use SC, and his injuries are so bad that he can't walk normally.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
I'd say it's half and half, on how well it'd work out compared to our ideals.

Making a permanent skytower set-up for our main base? Quite viable as long as we take appropriate precautions and make enough 5SB. Hosting a village up there, with civilians and crops and animals? Probably too costly to make work.

Owning land for a supply of ninja children? Anything worth owning is already owned and it's hard to claim land you don't even live on, but if we played our cards right we could make it work. Getting villages to listen to us? Easy. No way they'd brush off the flying ninjas with WMDs.

My general impression is that most aspects related to being a village would be difficult to impossible, making it more of a diplomatic fiction if we insisted on being called one, but most aspects related to power would be workable, because at the end of the day we had total aerial supremacy over everyone not wearing black and red, an elite jounin, and Elemental Mastery. You don't need to call yourself a village to walk up to Konoha and say 'the nice flying ninjas with nukes would like to discuss the finer points of geopolitics'.
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I disagree. I think the hivemind in general severely underestimates just how difficult it is to set up a stable MAD situation. It might've worked if we set out to completely escape the notice of the great powers until we had enough power to credibly threaten retaliation. Before that point, though, flying ninjas with nukes don't count for much if you can just have your S-ranker capable of flight subjugate them at any point. Like, we'd actually have to wipe out a minor village or major military installation to show that we actually meant business. And even then I'd give it a good chance of getting blown up by Deidara in the middle of the night because someone found us annoying enough.
 
Oneiros said:
Why? What plot gets advanced if we do? What is the consequence if we don't?


Well he can still summon. He still has shadow clones. Which makes him more capable than the last time he went on a scroll hunt with severe injuries
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As general rule, anything convertible for general currency is an at least instrumental goal.

As for the gold, Asuma basically handed us on a (snirk) silver platter how to use a sudden influx to wreck an economy with his Wakahisa plan, which we can therefore anticipate on the dot and exploit for profit even if we have to invent entirely new financial derivatives to do it. Gee, if only we had some sort of implicitly tower-backed bank we were the only representative of...
 
Roomba said:
I disagree. I think the hivemind in general severely underestimates just how difficult it is to set up a stable MAD situation. It might've worked if we set out to completely escape the notice of the great powers until we had enough power to credibly threaten retaliation. Before that point, though, flying ninjas with nukes don't count for much if you can just have your S-ranker capable of flight subjugate them at any point. Like, we'd actually have to wipe out a minor village or major military installation to show that we actually meant business. And even then I'd give it a good chance of getting blown up by Deidara in the middle of the night because someone found us annoying enough.
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Gee, if only we knew of a military installation in the middle of a lake in the middle of our greatest geopolitical enemy...
 
Oneiros said:
Well he can still summon. He still has shadow clones. Which makes him more capable than the last time he went on a scroll hunt with severe injuries
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Velorien said:
PSA: Hazō cannot use Shadow Clone training until his Severe consequences heal.

Watsonian: Sufficient pain will disrupt an SC, the Severes copy across, so every time a clone moves the wrong way and twinges its injuries it disappears.

Doylist: We generally don't worry about tracking where the XP came from but that's because we assume that you're doing a variety of training in the background. Technically Hazō could be doing eg calligraphy training right now but he could not be doing anything even slightly physically or mentally demanding and it's extreme enough that we don't feel comfortable saying that he was doing one thing and increasing something else.


"Well done. Come home, rest up, I'll take it from here."
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I think this is what kiba was talking about.
 
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