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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Inferno Vulpix said:
Well yeah, he wasn't going to delegate that stuff to them and they needed to be done, so they did it anyways. If the sphere of what Hazou was aware of was too much to bear, the sphere of what needed to be done would have crushed him.
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Yes. But also, who are we supposed to delegate to? Where is this mysterious person who has both the time and the ability to handle extra work? And since responsibility cannot be delegated, the pyramid scheme of delegation ends up enriching the paperwork pile of the people on top while impoverishing the free time of those on the bottom tiers, keeping them desperately searching for more people to delegate to.
 
faflec said:
@eaglejarl @Velorien What is Mari's opinion about how Haru's punishment went down, in terms of public relations and our potentialimminent execution by Hokage?
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You've just invented a fate worse than death and used it to punish a ninja for killing yakuza. The ninja population at large is confused/appalled/horrified. The civilian population is confused/shocked/deeply moved/sceptical (thank Scarf Man for much of the last one). Asuma will probably fit this in the category of weird things Hazō does that Asuma just doesn't have the time or energy to worry about.
 
Lailoken said:
I may be a tad irritated with a certain piece of geography at the moment and deciding if I should continue to be.
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Could you narrow that down? The number of chunks of (geography+people standing on that geography) that I'm currently annoyed with is bounteous.


Sir Stompy said:
Source? I looked and couldn't find this.

I did find that they use silk as a building material, and they have weaverkin, presumably spiders who do nothing but weave silk. There is probably no problem. Let's just ask a weaverkin for 100 yards of cloth and have it tailored into armor.
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I suspect it referred to this:

eaglejarl said:
"Things are worth more to some people than others. For example, the Arachnids have plenty of rope in the form of your webs. You have so much of it that it's not worth much to you. I bet you would adore sweetsyrup, but you don't have any way of getting it and so it's worth a lot. The Monkeys have so much sweetsyrup that they don't value it, but they have to go to a lot of effort to make rope. You give them rope, they give you sweetsyrup. Both sides aren't giving up much but they're getting a lot." Do not share joke about cultural implications of giving people rope or images of people hanging or the superiority of the turn-and-throw method of using a garrotte.
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Velorien said:
You've just invented a fate worse than death and used it to punish a ninja for killing yakuza. The ninja population at large is confused/appalled/horrified. The civilian population is confused/shocked/deeply moved/sceptical (thank Scarf Man for much of the last one). Asuma will probably fit this in the category of weird things Hazō does that Asuma just doesn't have the time or energy to worry about.
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Who is Scarf Man anyways?
Velorien said:
"What is it, Gōketsu..." Hazō couldn't recognise the civilian behind the thick winter coat and face-obscuring woolen scarf. "What do you have to say that justifies interrupting my judgement?"

"My Lord," the civilian asked in a baritone that carried well across the estate, "if this man has confessed to murder of civilians, village law says he should be executed. Is Gōketsu law above village law?"
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Velorien said:
"Did the Hokage order you not to execute him?" the insufferable civilian demanded even as an empty circle formed around him in the middle of the crowd. "Did he explicitly say that Gōketsu Haru must be exempt from the proper punishment for the crime he'd confessed to? Did he tell you that, even though you were fine to execute a civilian for rape, you were forbidden to execute a ninja for murder?"
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These are some very specific words that seem almost tailor made to cause chaos and disrupt Hazō's speech. Additionally, the person acted way outside the bounds of anything we've seen a civilian say to a ninja before (notice the empty circle around them as they were speaking as the nearby civilians were terrified to been be near this person lest they get killed). The person was also wearing identity concealing clothes.

We should view this as a targeted attack aimed at undermining us (that was slightly successful) and investigate accordingly.
 
_The_Bomb said:
Who is Scarf Man anyways?


These are some very specific words that seem almost tailor made to cause chaos and disrupt Hazō's speech. Additionally, the person acted way outside the bounds of anything we've seen a civilian say to a ninja before (notice the empty circle around them as they were speaking as the nearby civilians were terrified to been be near this person lest they get killed). The person was also wearing identity concealing clothes.

We should view this as a targeted attack aimed at undermining us (that was slightly successful) and investigate accordingly.
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Scarf Man is clearly a salty-as-fuck Itachi.
 
So due to rational character agency, Hazō takes a drastic step inventing a fate worse than death for ninja. This will certainly have drastic repercussions for multiple parties. Other clans will hate that killing Yakuza and therefore doing somewhat of a service to the village leads to a valiant ninja being punished with something akin to being worse than fate. Clanless ninja will now be doubly worried about accepting recruitment, because at least being clanless is better than reduced to a civilian. We didn't even win over the civilian population due to a smart opposing party inserting the perfect FUD into the situation. Doesn't even matter if the scarf man was a skeptical but innocent civilian or planted by an opposing party. (Almost certainly if planted, he'll have nothing leading back to any clan because they should be at least that competent. That is if we even catch him.) Our relationship with Haru is probably severely damaged by this, even if we saved him from execution. Haru may or may not wish to have been properly executed because at least that way, he either serves the village by being an example or not have a long lingering besmirched reputation in Leaf.

Someone should talk to Haru, make we know where he stands and if this will come back and bite us.

Oh yeah and we lost Akane too.
 
Velorien said:
You've just invented a fate worse than death and used it to punish a ninja for killing yakuza. The ninja population at large is confused/appalled/horrified. The civilian population is confused/shocked/deeply moved/sceptical (thank Scarf Man for much of the last one). Asuma will probably fit this in the category of weird things Hazō does that Asuma just doesn't have the time or energy to worry about.
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So the usual, in other words.
 
I am worried for a posible future Clan head Akane. People know that Hazou is a complete lunatic that occasionally has good ideas and is too much of an idealist for his own good while at the same time being able and eager to dispense ruthless retribution to those that merely disrespect his family and is not afraid to go face to face whit people like Orochimaru. But Akane is not even that, she is a weird middle ground in between civilian and ninja that has compassion in the part of her heart where other people have schemes, if she ends up as clan head when we inevitably go rogue/to the lighthouse/stuck on another dimention/out of this mortal coil, she is gonna be eaten alive unless the others can pull their weight.
 
Akane is a great human being, but would make a terrible clan head especially in times of adversity.

I think the idea with Haru is that he'll live among civilians, learn to understand their lot in life and once he is returned to ninja status he will be a better person. Whether it will work... doubtful, but one can always hope.
 
Murska said:
First they say 'you should delegate more' and then they say 'hey, we're also doing stuff all the time that you don't have the time for or even notice'. :p
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And then there's only a 50/50 chance we notice what they're doing between "it sort of worked" and "oh goddamnit I shouldn't have delegated at all in the first place."

Real frustrating at times.
 
Sir Stompy said:
I don't think anyone's actually made a garment out of real spider silk and then lit it on fire, but most clothes are more or less ruined by being hit with a fire jutsu and surviving. Spider silk isn't particularly vulnerable to fire and there's no reason to focus on it. I am concerned that silk has some sort of cultural cachet with the Arachnids and we'll commit some sort of faux pas by asking for some.

Kinda sounds like asking for some is going to be a disaster.
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Yeah, wouldn't want to accidentally end up married to a twenty-ton tarantula or something.

Due to being both the explicitly declared the greatest hero and chosen consort of the Arachnid clan Hazou is currently in possession of an authority on par with a boss summon. A position created by the Sage himself. He (very, very technically) outranks the goddamned Kage.

I say use it. Hazou, his chosen village, his family, and his family's chosen summon clans have put and are still putting themselves in extreme danger to come to the arachnids' aid with regards to a hazard he has already crippled and nearly killed himself in addressing. Asking for some glandular secretions will get him some funny looks at most.
 
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Blerg.

Also... We need to give Tenten those Goketsu seals that we promised Kei we would do. We still need to give a personalized load out, but a standard Goketsu load out (Kagome-Level seals) would be a good start.
 
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