Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Noumero
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No, I understand that, but Keiko says the exact same thing, that she is technically already buying seals from the clan to resell them to the Pangolins, and from that she (somehow) concludes that "the money would follow her to the Nara". And your plan suggests to solve this problem by... the problem itself?
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This seems to be a recurring problem with me, doesn't it?
On top of that, my amount of clearly positive feedback is far too inconsistent and probably gets overshadowed by me being an asshat every once in a while.
I know this isn't an adequate excuse, but I don't do it on purpose.
I'm sorry for doing this. Multiple times now. From now on I will specifically check my comments for passive aggressiveness before posting them.
What about the in between time? What was your model of how Team Uplift spent it?
Though it is true that we explicitly voted for you to write what you want. And you wanted to write an amazing first meeting with Naruto with all the time and word count it deserves. Which arguably could only be done right then and there in the way you wanted if you skip ahead to when it rationally could happen without squandering time and energy for things that weren't that.
But I still hope that much of the winning plan's non-political stuff can be inserted retroactively.
I also have a small, though maybe futile, hope that the Akane scene can get such a treatment as well. Because otherwise it would reflect badly on Hazou IMO, what with his repeated assertions that Akane is and remains a part of the team and family, surnames and broken romantic relationships be damned.
Yes. Not before Naruto turned out to be a gift to humanity, but definitely now that those concerns are assuaged.
Mari isn't doing well. And we pushed her into ruthless action. We did it because it was needed, but it is still a big concern.
I am sure that in a vacuum whatever she is doing is definitely more competent than our own meager attempts at politicking, but she isn't coordinating with us or with Tsunade and Naruto. She hasn't met any of us or them in the last two days even. And doesn't know that Naruto is inheriting the clan soon. So I am very afraid that her plans for survival and ours will clash in some way, with disastrous consequences. And that, even worse, she will feel bad about it and blame herself, justifying who knows how much more time of her locking herself in her room.
To give an example, maybe she found a way to convince Hyūga to not opposed our existence in exchange for us voting for him. Probably she is doing something much more self-sacrificing and impactful though.
So again, yes I am very very worried both for her and for the rest of us.
Yep, there it is. And it was definitely uncalled for. Again, I apologise. And I hope I am not using up my apologies so fast that they start not being worth much anymore.
I know about the approval voting. I just kind of forgot to check that all people voting for the less approved plan also voted for the runner up, so I assumed that, as often happens, there would be less active voters that only vote for one plan despite more or less liking two. My mistake.
Thank you. I'll keep it in mind.
@Oneiros Sorry.
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- Somewhere over the rainbow
cool i guess it's time to go dumpster diving
ahp yep that's going to kill us. we're already dead.
at least this time we get to start in Rock?
Memetext off, I'm actually fairly concerned that Tsunade might just kill us for coming to her with an attempt to claim Orochimaru's legacy for ourselves. It kind of fits my model of her, especially with lines like these, unless we feel like she won't follow through.
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*rereads section*
Wait, so the issue is that because Keiko negotiated the trade herself she has the rights to the gold even though she's just a third party negotiator between the Goketsu (who have the seals) and the Pangolins (who have the gold)? ... alright then. Deleting.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
Welcome to the "Nani what the frigg is up with the Pangolin Gold stuff???" club.
Noumero
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I have no idea what's going on either.
Eh, until she actually murders someone for mouthing off at her on-screen, I'm not going to buy into this persona of hers. I think she specifically cultivated the reputation of being one perceived insult away from murdering you to be able to steamroll over people, but that she doesn't actually do that almost ever. Jiraiya said she won't actively harm us unless she decides we're working against Leaf — that doesn't fit the "hair-trigger murderer" model.
The way I understand it, the idea is:
Keiko negotiated the trade deal -> the deal is "hers" -> is she goes to the Nara, the deal goes with her -> the Nara could argue that they should supply the seals, getting the gold for them
One could maybe argue that she negotiated on behalf of the Goketsu, making the deal clan property.
Tua
鸡肉面条汤
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That's likely. Some people just have a Resting Tsunade Face.
Now there are two ways that immediately come to mind to verify that theory:
1) Go check up on Akane. If Hazou doesn't end up in a cemetary we should be fine.
2) Ask Tsunade if she really is so ugly that she has to keep up a perpetual self-centered genjutsu. If Hazou doesn't end up in a cemetary we should be fine.
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Implemented @Noumero's word saving changes, minus a few minor alterations.
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I hope this isn't because of something I said. Sorry if it was.
Thanks.
You'd need to check with @Velorien I believe he said it was okay as long as it wasn't political.
No, you're fine. Sincere apologies are almost always well received.
Noumero
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42, actually. 23 for "Speaking of Unity", 17 for "Stealing the Snake", then 2 for "Let's Go Bowling".
That's the vote for plans, not unique voters partaking in the vote.
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All right. Here is how we're going to do this because I am feeling uncharacteristically merciful and/or low on spoons.
You get one plan to take place between the meeting with Tsunade (morning of the 2nd) and the meeting with Naruto (noon of the 3rd). Do whatever seems reasonable, but I will ignore any parts of that plan which would prevent or unduly influence your meeting with Naruto or otherwise mess with the timeline (as arbitrarily determined by the QMs). Also it's in your interest to minimise infodumps, as "undue influence" would include gaining knowledge that would result in a different political analysis. Harsh, perhaps, but if there is one thing we learned from writing the Chūnin Exam, it is DO NOT MESS WITH TIME.
With that said, there are a lot of unanswered questions flying around, some but not all of them falling within the remit of HDK (or "Hazō hasn't had time to find out", it being worth remembering that he has lived in Leaf for an intermittent total of something like three months, and been highly constrained in his activities for much of that). I would be very grateful if some kind soul could compile those so we can answer them in a batch, and also to avoid repetitions. There may be XP in it.
Oh, also do not mess with Keiko's timeline, which essentially means that she needs to be home at some point before 8 p.m., at the Nara compound at 8 p.m, and not be horrifically traumatised in the intervening time. It says something about the quest so far that I have to make that last part explicit.
Edit: You do also have the option of ignoring this and pressing on with post-Naruto plans as normal.
You get one plan to take place between the meeting with Tsunade (morning of the 2nd) and the meeting with Naruto (noon of the 3rd). Do whatever seems reasonable, but I will ignore any parts of that plan which would prevent or unduly influence your meeting with Naruto or otherwise mess with the timeline (as arbitrarily determined by the QMs). Also it's in your interest to minimise infodumps, as "undue influence" would include gaining knowledge that would result in a different political analysis. Harsh, perhaps, but if there is one thing we learned from writing the Chūnin Exam, it is DO NOT MESS WITH TIME.
With that said, there are a lot of unanswered questions flying around, some but not all of them falling within the remit of HDK (or "Hazō hasn't had time to find out", it being worth remembering that he has lived in Leaf for an intermittent total of something like three months, and been highly constrained in his activities for much of that). I would be very grateful if some kind soul could compile those so we can answer them in a batch, and also to avoid repetitions. There may be XP in it.
Oh, also do not mess with Keiko's timeline, which essentially means that she needs to be home at some point before 8 p.m., at the Nara compound at 8 p.m, and not be horrifically traumatised in the intervening time. It says something about the quest so far that I have to make that last part explicit.
Edit: You do also have the option of ignoring this and pressing on with post-Naruto plans as normal.
Noumero
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No.
- 23 people voted for "Speaking of Unity".
- 18 people voted for "Stealing the Snake". Of them, 1 person (MMKII) also voted for "Speaking of Unity".
- Additional unique voters: 18-1 = 17.
- 9 people voted for "Optimising a Bad Idea". Of them, 1 person (Deathbybunnies) also voted for "Speaking of Unity", and 8 people voted for "Stealing the Snake".
- Additional unique voters: 9-1-8 = 0.
- 2 people voted for "Let's Go Bowling".
- Additional unique voters: 2.
- 2 people voted for "Bare Bones". Of them, 2 people voted for "Speaking of Unity".
- Additional unique voters: 2-2 = 0.
- 1 person voted for "snek". That person also voted for "Stealing the Snake".
- Additional unique voters: 1-1 = 0.
23+17+0+2+0+0 = 42 unique voters.
23+18+9+2+2+1 = 51 unique votes.
23+18+9+2+2+1 = 51 unique votes.
No? I combine all the plans into one tally, giving me 51 unique voters.
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- Europe
Ami is around then. Thats good for Keiko at least.
Tua
鸡肉面条汤
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- شوربة الدجاج المعكرونة
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
Some people(me) have voted for things more than once. Unique voters is the same as number of distinct people currently voting.@Noumero is correct.
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Changes made as suggested on Discord.
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The number of unique voters must strictly be less than the number of votes for plans, because the latter is a superset of the former, with some duplicates thrown in.
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- Under a Rock
[X] Plan Akane
- Before meeting Naruto, talk to Akane, bring all the clan who can make it.
- Tell her everything, go to a secure location for the top secret stuff.
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Removed the Naruto section for the sake of retroactivity. @Inferno Vulpix could you put said section into the cache?