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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Stats from a while ago:

eaglejarl said:
Numbers are approximate, but:
1200 genin
250 chūnin
50 jōnin: 20 special jōnin, 20 regular, 10 elite (Gai, Kakashi…)
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Pre-ish BotG and Ultimate Showdown numbers I think. So there should be less Jonin.

With Mari (Elite Jonin), Naruto(S rank) and the rest of us (I would peg us at mid to high Chunin but YMMV), we are now a significant percentage of the village's combat strength.
 
Rushing the Scroll (no pre-arrangement with the Snakes):
  • Pros:
    • Hiashi is still in the hospital by the time we publicly sign it and can't retaliate right away.
  • Cons:
    • We can't get the Snake to boast for us that Hazou/Noburi's the true successor to the Snake Scroll.
    • Snakes might outright reject Hazou/Noburi as unworthy.
Setting up for the Scroll (pre-arrangement with the Snakes):
  • Pros:
    • We can get the Snake to boast for us that Hazou/Noburi's the true successor to the Snake Scroll.
  • Cons:
    • Hiashi may recover and make a play for the Scroll before we finish setting up.
    • Snakes might not cooperate; additional point of failure.
imo spending more time preparing for the Scroll Snatch is actually the riskier option, since not only do we risk the Snakes being fickle with us we have Hiashi up and about again and maybe even beating us to the Scroll. Meanwhile rushing the scroll has the lack of snake coordination mitigated by the fact that Hiashi's in the hospital and can't properly respond to us before the waves have calmed down.

Also, incidentally, I think there's a case to be made for having Noburi take the Snake Scroll if we acquire both. Orochimaru was a ninjutsu-spec mednin which suits Noburi better than Hazou. Bring it up with the clan and everything but if we pull this off it's something to consider.
 
[X] Action Plan: Speaking of Unity

Tsunade has not only the strongest claim to the scroll, but she also has the clout to back it up, both more so than the Gouketsu clan. If she cares at all, then whoever she wants to end up with the scroll will get it, I'm pretty sure. She acts like Oro and Jiraiya piss her off (they do) but she is FIERCELY defensive of them, and if she feels like someone is trying to loot their estate I reckon she'll just murder that person in broad daylight.

Obviously her feelings toward Oro are complex, and it's possible that she won't even care about something as "inconsequential" as the scroll's new owner anyway. If she does though...

@Oneiros
Can I convince you to add a section to your plan on getting Tsunade's buy-in (or at least permission) before attempting this?
 
Sampatrick said:
Do we even know that the Snakes would agree if the Pangolins leaned on them? Could we even get the Pangolins to lean on them?
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They seemed pretty keen on getting more allies the last time we asked. I don't see why not?

As for the Snakes: Unless they have delusions of grandeur, I don't see why they wouldn't sign on to the Pangolin Express
 
Sampatrick said:
Do you have a link to this out of curiosity? I'm kinda interested in exactly what they said.
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It was chapter 206-210 something. Keiko came back all depressed because they had a parade and executed Condor prisoners. We were on our way back to Leaf I think.
 
[X] Action plan: Stealing the Snake

@Oneiros, would you be willing to add a section where we ask Keiko to look at the entire length of the Pangolin Scroll, so that Hazou downloads it, thereby checking whether it's indeed a seal?
 
Huh, I just realized that we will soon have three summoners in the Goketsu:
  1. Keiko, the pangolin summoner
  2. Noburi, the Toad summoner
  3. Naruto, the Naruto summoner
(I vote we start referring to referring to him as the Naruto summoner in casual conversation, and claiming that the clan has 3 summoners.)
 
Stealing the snake scroll is a terrible idea and using the flimsy pretense of Jiraiya telling us to do whatever it takes to save the world is perhaps the most foolish thing we have done in this entire quest. Any attempt for the scroll needs to be contingent on Tsunade giving us her blessing. We really don't want Tsunade to think that we're grave robbing someone that was so clearly very important to her.
 
Sampatrick said:
Stealing the snake scroll is a terrible idea and using the flimsy pretense of Jiraiya telling us to do whatever it takes to save the world is perhaps the most foolish thing we have done in this entire quest. Any attempt for the scroll needs to be contingent on Tsunade giving us her blessing. We really don't want Tsunade to think that we're grave robbing someone that was so clearly very important to her.
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Guess who got to thumbs and just added talking to Tsunade in action plan stealing the snake?

This Gal
 
Sampatrick said:
Right, and you also don't actually say that Hazou will do what she says. The way the plan is written, if Tsunade says that it would be unacceptable, we would still do it.
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I sincerely don't believe that Hazou is that dumb.

Kiba Inuzuka isn't that dumb, and Kiba Inuzuka is realllllllly dumb.
 
[X] Action Plan: Speaking of Unity

I don't think we'll be able to get the Snake scroll the other way.

Approaching the Snakes on the Seventh Path or electing a Hokage that will give us the scroll strike me as better options.

Yes, Hiashi is in the hospital. I doubt that'll stop him from making political countermoves. Hiashi doesn't need to be fighting fit to sway public opinion, delegate, and distribute propaganda. As long as he's conscious, and we know he is, he can fight us on preemptively grabbing the Snake scroll on dubious political grounds.
 
Oneiros said:
Only if I can request your sorcery in word count optimization
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Sure.

  • Inform Tsunade about our plans. Ask for advice.
  • Immediately after, go to the Tower and acquire the Snake Scroll:
    • Group: Hazou, Keiko, Noburi + Mari (if available).
    • We only need to convince the ANBU guarding it. Justifications:
      • We're Lord Goketsu, acting on the direct order (letter and spirit) of the Hokage: save the world, let no-one stand in our way.
      • Summon Scrolls are valuable resources that have been instrumental in stopping Akatsuki, and will clear numerous problems for Uplift.
      • Jiraiya was Orochimaru's team leader and heir — his scroll rightfully belongs to the Gouketsu.
      • Brandish Orochimaru's pardon and will as appropriate.
    • Check with Keiko: if you aren't trained in Summoning, can you safely sign the scroll? If yes, sign once acquired.
    • (Would anyone even be willing to teach Hiashi summoning?)
  • Ask Keiko to let you look at the Pangolin Scroll's full length. Is it really a seal?
  • Contact the Snakes:
    • Learn about the Snakes' culture/politics from: Jiraiya's notes, Pangolins, Toads.
    • Message them via the Pangolins.
      • Inform that we'll be signing the scroll.
      • Orochimaru: Did he leave them a will? He's been pardoned; we want his wishes carried out.
    • Consider establishing positive relations by protecting them from Pangolin expansion (sell them seals?).
  • Suggest giving the Pangolins an OPSEC-sanitized list of seals. They could request seals from it in exchange for:
    • Improving treatment of conquered Clans.
    • Conquered Clans' jutsu (Condors' space-time ninjutsu?).
  • Schedule meetings with:
    • Akane, Tenten.
    • ISC.
    • Sasuke.
    • Asuma.
    • Minami.
    • Hagoromo.
 
Okay, fuck, I think I know why I have this bad gut feeling.

Hiashi's argument for taking the scroll is too close for comfort.

Behold:

Go directly to the Tower. Take the Scroll.
  • We're Lord Hiashi. We're acting as the last noble clan, the Hyuga. Yield.
    • We have been lawfully charged with restoring Leaf's greatness, and summon scrolls are invaluable resources that will clear numerous problems towards that end.
      • We have a right to the Snake Scroll by our loyalty to Leaf and by our ability to leverage its strength for the defense of Leaf, we only need to get that through to the ANBU holding it
      • The Hyuga are the most noble and strongest clan with the strongest members capable of using the Snake Scroll in defense of Leaf.
      • The other people after the scroll are missing-nin and opportunists.
      • Thus the scroll logically, rightfully goes to the Hyuga.
 
Noumero said:
Sure.

  • Inform Tsunade about our plans. Ask for advice.
  • Immediately after, go to the Tower and acquire the Snake Scroll:
    • Group: Hazou, Keiko, Noburi + Mari (if available).
    • We only need to convince the ANBU guarding it. Justifications:
      • We're Lord Goketsu, acting on the direct order (letter and spirit) of the Hokage: save the world, let no-one stand in our way.
      • Summon Scrolls are valuable resources that have been instrumental in stopping Akatsuki, and will clear numerous problems for Uplift.
      • Jiraiya was Orochimaru's team leader and heir — his scroll rightfully belongs to the Gouketsu.
      • Brandish Orochimaru's pardon and will as appropriate.
    • Check with Keiko: if you aren't trained in Summoning, can you safely sign the scroll? If yes, sign once acquired.
    • (Would anyone even be willing to teach Hiashi summoning?)
  • Ask Keiko to let you look at the Pangolin Scroll's full length. Is it really a seal?
  • Contact the Snakes:
    • Learn about the Snakes' culture/politics from: Jiraiya's notes, Pangolins, Toads.
    • Message them via the Pangolins.
      • Inform that we'll be signing the scroll.
      • Orochimaru: Did he leave them a will? He's been pardoned; we want his wishes carried out.
    • Consider establishing positive relations by protecting them from Pangolin expansion (sell them seals?).
  • Suggest giving the Pangolins an OPSEC-sanitized list of seals. They could request seals from it in exchange for:
    • Improving treatment of conquered Clans.
    • Conquered Clans' jutsu (Condors' space-time ninjutsu?).
  • Schedule meetings with:
    • Akane, Tenten.
    • ISC.
    • Sasuke.
    • Asuma.
    • Minami.
    • Hagoromo.
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The pact is made
 
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