Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
We have nowhere near enough water.
AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
- Start date
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- Tags
- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
- Location
- Phoenix, AZ
Well, there's hundreds of pages of defense discussion which has happened in the past if you want to put together a plan. For that matter, I'll just grab my last iteration of defenses and throw it in a plan. Here's one I built from memory of discussions.
Word Count: 195
[X] (defenses) Tiers & Layers
Politics:
- Nara ensures Hyuga doesn't join in attack
- Personel:
- Panashe performs hit and run maneuvers on isolated attacking ninja
- Pandamonium ranged attacks & boulders with macerators at enemies
- Ranged fighters man attack station when enemies approach
- Panjandrum summoned and fighting outside when enemies approach (Hazou joins)
- Pankurashun fighting in closed reinforced entrance when falling back
- Other pangolins as chakra allows
- Internal Defenses:
- FSB'd MEW base preventing tunnelers
- FSB'd MEW panels reinforcing key passageway & walls and ceilings
- External defenses:
- 4 zones cleared in each direction with explosives
- First zone -- ranged attack station -- create lighting cover with MEW covering
- Second - fourth zones -- field of death & path
- Conventional traps as prepared by Pangolin engineer in field of death
- Goo bombs, Banshees, pangolin Macerators, Gravel macerators, and fake seals throughout field
- Path includes avoidable but hidden LBF seals with training explosives, goo bombs, and pangolin Macerators
- 4 zones cleared in each direction with explosives
- Strategy:
- Harassing attacks by Panashe
- Ranged attacks by Pandamonium as soon as feasible
- Ranged attacks by all ranged fighters as assault occurs
- Melee charge led by Panjandrum as enemies close in (at end of path)
- Fall back into reinforced hallway if/when outside falls
- Pankurashun led defense inside first zone of reinforced hallway
- Location
- Yes.
I don't think we have enough for a lake but we don't really need that much water: turning the area around the fort into a mudhole or similar should suffice for VD purposes.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
@eaglejarl : Would we have enough water if we could limit everyone to attacking from one side?
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
Im going to likely yoink this and do some changes. Only problem I can see is this doesnt have contingencies for us leaving the fort if things go tits up.
- Location
- Phoenix, AZ
I mean, just pull off the FSB on the MEW base and Tunnel our way out (either with Hazou or a Pangolin digger)
- Location
- Under a Rock
[X] (lethal) No
[X] (speech) Yes
[X] (speech) Yes
Thats quitter talk. We will have a couple hundred chakra at our disposal from our teammates. We could try to divert a river.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
Right but we should include a section for the Escape Contingency and subsequent counterattack.
Ill put something together in an hour or so
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Yes; why would he?
Huh... y'know, this has been mentioned and I think found unlikely before, but given how fast the pangolins roll, and the fact that they leave a trench behind, might that be enough to divert a reasonable amount of water to the battlefield?
(Though, I'm not actually convinced this is a great idea, because we know that there are multiple enemy Wakahisa, so this could be turned against us pretty easily)
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- Location
- Yes.
True...maybe instead of having water surround us completely we could try watery areas that feed back to the base? It would reduce the risk of counter-VD at the cost of efficiency.
Noumero
Omit Needless Words
No, I think we should surround our competitors with water. As in, completely engulf them in it. Would guarantee us a victory, I think.
They're all unconscious right now. I bet it'll be easy.
- Location
- Yes.
*sigh* Of course you do.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
We would be filling the outside not the inside.
- Location
- Germany
[x] (speech) Yes
[x] (lethal) Yes
[x] (lethal) Yes
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
@OliWhail @eaglejarl @Velorien
Since this was in the previous plan but not addressed in the recent chapter:
Could we *please* get some sort of response re the above? Especially if we have to plan Round 2 defenses for the next update.
If youd rather I not harp on this, thats fine. I havent seen any acknowledgement of this in your posts since the latest chapter, so Im bringing it up again on the off chance it went unnoticed.
Since this was in the previous plan but not addressed in the recent chapter:
Could we *please* get some sort of response re the above? Especially if we have to plan Round 2 defenses for the next update.
If youd rather I not harp on this, thats fine. I havent seen any acknowledgement of this in your posts since the latest chapter, so Im bringing it up again on the off chance it went unnoticed.
But it's still giving them a weapon against us - right now, any Water users would need to bring it with them, or depend on chakra construct water that can't be used for VD.
- Location
- US
Is there a lake nearby that Noburi could run to in order to top up on Chakra during the 2-hr setup window?
@eaglejarl Can we assume cooperative, but generally non-useful teammates? I'd have liked to know what we were working with before finalizing plans (cooperative, any trap-builders, any ranged weapons/combat specialists, genjutsu, etc), but we can make plans around the least worst case (cooperative/non-useful) or worst-case (non-cooperative)
We should probably alert the Drainers that draining an infused tag is liable to cause a sealing failure with unknowable consequences - most high level ninja from Drainer's clans should know this and verify.
@eaglejarl Can we assume cooperative, but generally non-useful teammates? I'd have liked to know what we were working with before finalizing plans (cooperative, any trap-builders, any ranged weapons/combat specialists, genjutsu, etc), but we can make plans around the least worst case (cooperative/non-useful) or worst-case (non-cooperative)
We should probably alert the Drainers that draining an infused tag is liable to cause a sealing failure with unknowable consequences - most high level ninja from Drainer's clans should know this and verify.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Thinking about it, what I actually meant was: I am not willing to put up with another mountain of undeserved salt like I caught after the swamp event. I will do the absolute best I can to use your specified tactics as effectively as possible. I will correct things that I think don't work if I think that Noburi / Keiko / someone would have spotted the flaws. Where I am given degrees of freedom, I will use the best tactics I can come up with.
But.
Any of that bullshit about "But you didn't do the perfect thing! But you didn't do precisely what we meant with our very under-specified directions where we were basically asking you to do all the thinking and as a result something that wasn't the perfectly optimal outcome from our viewpoint has happened and we are very upset about it!!!!1!1!!!!!"? That won't fly.
Yes, I'm still pissed about that.
Noburi: FtD: Gōketsu Noburi
Keiko: FtD: Gōketsu Keiko
Hazō: FtD: Gōketsu Hazō
Replacing what now?
A storage scrolls can store material of 1m^3 or 100kg. There's some wiggle room on the volume -- for example, you can seal something like a mattress that is 2m x 1m x 0.2m -- but not a lot.
In other words, you can only put 100L of water in a storage scroll. That's not enough, even with dozens of scrolls, to generate a real lake.
Keiko can bring water back from the Seventh Path, but only what she can carry. You also don't know if Vampiric Dew would treat extraplanar water as real water or as construct water for purposes of draining.
Not through any means I can currently think of. It was previously established that there are no large watercourses conveniently nearby, so you'd need to be bringing the water across at least a couple miles of forest.
No.
Yes.
This reduces to "is there a lake within 20 miles". The answer is undoubtedly yes -- the ocean is only a few miles away, for that matter -- but that runs afoul of the still-open question "can we leave the facility?"
It is reasonable to assume that your teammates will not want to get the crap stomped out of them by attacking Reds and will behave accordingly.
How would you know that? The teams for the next round have not been assigned yet. (At least, not as far as you know.)
Yes, you did that. Yes, they agreed with it.
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- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
This situation was constrained in the right way to enable it, I think. If the QMs want to do this again in the future (no objections here), we might want a 'neither' option or 'defer to plan' in case the hivemind has something in particular in mind that isn't easily contained within yes/no.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
There needs to be actual standing water to make it work. Mud by itself isn't enough. Or, as @OliWhail put it "mud no puddle yes".