What chapter was that, if you recall? Or thinking somewhat ahead, is there some system that the regulars use to track down stuff like? I vaguely recall someone having a text file compilation + grep

Or I could always sacrifice a goat and try to summon @faflec, I suppose
"Come in!" Hazō called to whomever had just clapped outside his tent.

A middle-aged man, hair speckled with grey and a pot belly, ducked through the tent flap and bowed deeply.

"Your Lordship, I am Shinoda Gaku. Your brother suggested that you needed a secretary?" He held out a folded paper with Noburi's handwriting scrawled across the outside. "I am literate, numerate, and an experienced scribe. I have maintained accounts for several businesses, studied calligraphy under—"

"You're hired."

I searched "Shinoda Gaku" in the search bar. Make sure to search only this thread, generally.
 
You mean FFB? Or 5SB?
I think you mean LBF.

/Deepcut

This is incredibly suspicious. This reads exactly like when Hazō gets hit by esoteric mind-affecting phenomena, or a dumb plan that asks him to divulge sensitive information (i.e. esoteric mind-affecting phenomena). But the plan made no mention of Gaku. There is little reason for Hazō to come so close to divulging these secrets of his own accord.
If the QMs want to explicitly say that the trope of 'Hazō vents about sensitive information to Gaku' is merely a convenient literary device and we do not have to worry about him spying on us or betraying us, I'd say let them have their fun. But in the absence of that, Hazō's tendency to unnecessarily secrets to Gaku worries me.
I don't wish to give out OOC information, but
keep in mind that one of the reasons Gaku was created is so that the QMs could skip over things that we find dull. This involves have Hazō have a conversation with Gaku summing things up to Gaku. Additionally, Gaku has been Hazō's secretary for a long time now and has proven himself to be highly reliable and extremely discreet. Hazō has never caught the man leaking information inappropriately, ever. As Hazō's personal secretary, Gaku already has access to the clan documents and Hazō's office. If he were in fact a spy then the Gōketsu have already had basically every secret laid bare.

, I hate to ask, but EJ, did you choose for them to do this in response to not wanting to write the plan?
Other way around, actually. They should have left immediately but in my prior update I wrote that they would stick around for a couple days. This was simply me building slack into the system so that the other QMs could have time to use them if they had ideas.

The plan didn't explicitly specify when to ask Asuma, I think Hazō could have asked him earlier. Would there have been a better way to write the plan that avoided this problem? We could have made it more explicit but I believe QMs have also been annoyed in the past by plans with too much detail...
There's typically a presumption that plans are organized chronologically unless there's good reason to think otherwise.


If you wouldn't mind, could you provide more detailed feedback? Rereading the action plan, it seems to be sufficiently "high stakes" that I would think it would normally merit some excitement?

I suppose the "preparations" could have been clarified to "offscreen preparations," but I also know that you've expressed minor discontent for when the playerbase does that (sourced below), so... I guess that I'm just not quite sure how else we could have approached this?
What do you see as the stakes here? The Hidan scene, yes, that one has stakes because any conversation with a psychotic mass murderer is dangerous. I would have enjoyed writing that one, but unfortunately it was pointed out to me by the NON-cheese-brained QMs that Hidan should be gone already. Everything else in the plan was meetings about meetings, which is the literal definition of what I've said I don't enjoy.
 
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We do? Why? Can you explain this one to me?
We've seen him do something like a D&D Suggestion spell on Oro sometime in the past when the snake came to the Council, said a few words and was about to leave in a very disrespectful way, which got him to start acting cooperative, with Oro having seemingly been oblivious to the fact.
 
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We do? Why? Can you explain this one to me?
Doesn't this seem... strange, to you?

"I have returned from my mission," Orochimaru announced in a voice so apathetic it made him fit right in as far as this meeting was concerned. "That is all."

He began to turn to leave again.

But there was something different about the Hokage today. His expression was mild, his mouth relaxed, but the muscles around his eyes were tight with concentration. "Welcome home, Orochimaru," he said, and there was something about the warmth in that voice, and the tension, that was not quite right, not quite his. "Please report."

Orochimaru blinked. "The initial journey was uneventful. My escorts were able to dispatch the attacking chakra beasts without my intervention, and finding Isan was trivial with the aid of scout summons. Negotiations with the Isan Clan Council were brief. After three days, I set out north with a force of 214 Isan ninja. As Cloud scouts had no way to predict an assault from the south, our initial victories were overwhelming. However, since my chūnin escorts and I were the only skywalker users, it was impossible to prevent escapees from warning forces further up the coast, and the Isanese's unfamiliarity with the terrain slowed pursuit.

"I estimate that we eliminated a quarter to a third of the enemy expeditionary force. The rest retreated north through the archipelago towards Haran Bay, an area outside the scope of the mission."

Then whatever unusually cooperative mood had seized him dissipated, and his focused expression was replaced with a more familiar faint scowl. "I will send you the usual report in due course. Now, I am weary. Is there anything else?"

"No," the Hokage said. "Thank you, Orochimaru."

Orochimaru gave a disinterested nod and left without ever acknowledging the presence of the clan heads or the representatives.
 
Friendly reminder that Hazō currently has a .7x XP multiplier due to stagnancy, and we're less than a week away from dropping down to .6x.

The only way to get rid of this right now is to begin working on an on-level sealing project. That is to say, to research a Jirayia tier seal. It doesn't have to be the tracking one I proposed, it could be anything of sufficient difficulty. Please include something along those lines, especially if your plan includes a time skip.
 
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Friendly reminder that Hazō currently has a .7x XP multiplier due to stagnancy, and we're less than a week away from dropping down to .6x.

The only way to get rid of this right now is to begin working on an on-level sealing project. That is to say, to research a Jirayia tier seal. It doesn't have to be the tracking one I proposed, it could be anything of sufficient difficulty. Please include something along those lines, especially if your plan includes a time skip.
Both of my plans now include modding 4fsp to unstagnate us if the seal is close but not quite there, a potential solution paper shared on discord (not as trolling, theory crafting with players)
 
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I don't even see where the experimental frenzy plan is held. I'm surprised people are voting for it, given it's unclear where it starts, and there are typos in it.
 
[X][OPSEC] Need-to-know
  • Don't tell Gaku sensitive information except on a need-to-know basis
    • Hazō can vent to Noburi or someone else in the inner circle if necessary
  • Policy otherwise remains unchanged
Does anyone want to finish the conversation with Kagome? We still have questions to ask him that are quite relevant towards future necromancy plans.
I am once again asking, does anyone want to offer comment on either of these proposals?
 
I am once again asking, does anyone want to offer comment on either of these proposals?
I wouldn't mind seeing it on EJ's update
Is this supposed to cover while Hazou is recovering from Milds? Otherwise we need to do Sealing.
It should yeah. Will clarify later.
Also I worked it out and @Twinnstars 's plan of destructively ending ES will cause Hazou a Medium and Mild Consequence. Not something I'm interested in while we have necromancy to research. We don't have time to waste.
Mind elaborating? Could we cast at lower Effect for less feedback damage? (Unlocked powers seem based on level, not effect afaict). Or use SC, but idk that chakra-damage might transfer, hard to say.
 
I am once again asking, does anyone want to offer comment on either of these proposals?
I think you ought to read eagerjarl's latest comment on gaku being the ooc vehicle for them being able to skip boring stuff and just summarize it to Gaku. From that perspective, if the qm want to keep that skipping vehicle, we'll need to discuss it with Gaku. Else the qm will be forced to screen write stuff they find boring.

Changing the opsec would ooc wise rid the qm of their skipping mechanism. I think unless that is addressed, this isn't a good idea.
 
Mind elaborating? Could we cast at lower Effect for less feedback damage? (Unlocked powers seem based on level, not effect afaict). Or use SC, but idk that chakra-damage might transfer, hard to say
Sure, to use the filtering capability of ES it needs to be cast at Effect:6 (this is explicitly stated for the first two additional abilities on the ES jutsu page, I assume that it was just missed when writing up the latter two sections) when cast at Effect:6 if the jutsu ends without Hazou withdrawing his chakra, he suffers (6+2) 8 Physical Stress that's enough to fill his 3-box stress track and overflow into a Moderate and a Mild Consequence.

I hadn't considered using SC and given that ES causes Physical Stress, it's most likely completely safe. I'd be willing to try that.

EDIT: @eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped would you mind giving a ruling about this? The ES page specifies that when cast at Effect:2+ or Effect:4+ you can unify or strengthen components respectively, but for densifying and filtering it only specifies the level at which you unlock the capability. Is that an oversight? As in, do you need to cast the jutsu at Effect:6 to filter something or Effect:5 to densify something?
 
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Sure, to use the filtering capability of ES it needs to be cast at Effect:6 (this is explicitly stated for the first two additional abilities on the ES jutsu page, I assume that it was just missed when writing up the latter two sections) when cast at Effect:6 if the jutsu ends without Hazou withdrawing his chakra, he suffers 8 Physical Stress that's enough to fill his 3-box stress track and overflow into a Moderate and a Mild Consequence.

I hadn't considered using SC and given that ES causes Physical Stress, it's most likely completely safe. I'd be willing to try that.
But we wouldn't be using the filtering stage, just the unifying disparate components stage, which is effect 4. No medium actually.
We need to cast at filtering to prepare the corundum and 'ink', but not to combine them. There really shouldn't be any risk at all actually, beyond maybe damaging a block of corundum and needing to refilter it. So, 10 minutes of the hobby Hazou enjoys

Relevant rules text:
The first several minutes of the process consist of simply saturating the material with your chakra. Only then can you begin shaping it.

There is a 1 CP/minute maintenance cost to keep the jutsu running.

Shutting the jutsu down cleanly requires clearing the chakra from within the material; this takes several minutes and requires paying the casting cost a second time.

If you lose contact with your sample or do not pay the relevant costs (startup, maintenance, shutdown) then the jutsu ends immediately and you take 2+(Effect) stress. The worked material also takes damage, possibly ruining it.
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Unifying Disparate Components
When cast at Effect 4+ (minimum required skill level: 30) fused materials count as a single object once the jutsu ends, with no delineation of where the fusion occurred, even if it was between different kinds of material. Likewise, you may smooth the material internally, eliminating internal flaws and fracture planes, thereby rendering the material stronger than when you began. Using this ability will increase the TN for your targeted shape.

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But we wouldn't be using the filtering stage, just the unifying disparate components stage, which is effect 4. No medium actually.
We need to cast at filtering to prepare the corundum and 'ink', but not to combine them. There really shouldn't be any risk at all actually, beyond maybe damaging a block of corundum and needing to refilter it. So, 10 minutes of the hobby Hazou enjoys

Relevant rules text:
The first several minutes of the process consist of simply saturating the material with your chakra. Only then can you begin shaping it.

There is a 1 CP/minute maintenance cost to keep the jutsu running.

Shutting the jutsu down cleanly requires clearing the chakra from within the material; this takes several minutes and requires paying the casting cost a second time.

If you lose contact with your sample or do not pay the relevant costs (startup, maintenance, shutdown) then the jutsu ends immediately and you take 2+(Effect) stress. The worked material also takes damage, possibly ruining it.
~~~

Unifying Disparate Components
When cast at Effect 4+ (minimum required skill level: 30) fused materials count as a single object once the jutsu ends, with no delineation of where the fusion occurred, even if it was between different kinds of material. Likewise, you may smooth the material internally, eliminating internal flaws and fracture planes, thereby rendering the material stronger than when you began. Using this ability will increase the TN for your targeted shape.

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Just use a SC, it should be completely safe, Physical Stress doesn't transfer. Casting at Effect:4 still causes a Minor Consequence. Which is undesirable compared to just using SC.
 
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