Rest in Piss Takahashi
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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It's a wild idea, but we could throw out something like "Hey, is that something you could teach me to do, by the way?"
The ability to use that in the Pure Lands to track down our targets would be amazing.
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I can feel Asuma's eye twitching already
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Kei's Projected Build
Mid to Longterm
| 60 | Resolve | |||||||
| 50 | Athletics | Shadow Clone | Ranged W. | |||||
| 40 | Alertness | CotWG | Physique | |||||
| 30 | Chakra | Sh. Imitate | Frozen Skein | Deceit | ||||
| 20 | Intimidation | Presence | Substitution | Echolocation | Sh. Step | Sh. Betrayal | Sh. Visage | |
| 10 | Stealth | Empathy | Rapport | Ghost Scales | P.K. Hammer | Zeph. Reach | Vac. Step | Sh. Guardians |
Let's go ahead and raise Athletics (or Ranged W) to 60.
| 60 | Resolve | Athletics | ||||||
| 50 | Shadow Clone | Ranged W. | ||||||
| 40 | Alertness | CotWG | Physique | |||||
| 30 | Chakra | Sh. Imitate | Frozen Skein | Deceit | ||||
| 20 | Intimidation | Presence | Substitution | Echolocation | Sh. Step | Sh. Betrayal | Sh. Visage | |
| 10 | Stealth | Empathy | Rapport | Ghost Scales | P.K. Hammer | Zeph. Reach | Vac. Step | Sh. Guardians |
And now Kei needs a new 30-stat. Let's raise Substitution to keep it at (Athletics/2).
| 60 | Resolve | Athletics | ||||||
| 50 | Shadow Clone | Ranged W. | ||||||
| 40 | Alertness | CotWG | Physique | |||||
| 30 | Chakra | Sh. Imitate | Frozen Skein | Deceit | Substitution | |||
| 20 | Intimidation | Presence | Echolocation | Sh. Step | Sh. Betrayal | Sh. Visage | ||
| 10 | Stealth | Empathy | Rapport | Ghost Scales | P.K. Hammer | Zeph. Reach | Vac. Step | Sh. Guardians |
And now she needs a new 40-stat. I'm still not entirely sold on Shadow Imitation as a whole, given that we don't know nearly enough about it, but it's right there, so... sure, I guess :/
Another option would be to raise Frozen Skein for that sweet Omnibuff, or to raise up a new combat stat, which isn't as bad of an option as it may first seem.
| 60 | Resolve | Athletics | ||||||
| 50 | Shadow Clone | Ranged W. | ||||||
| 40 | Alertness | CotWG | Physique | Sh. Imitate | ||||
| 30 | Chakra | Frozen Skein | Deceit | Substitution | ||||
| 20 | Intimidation | Presence | Echolocation | Sh. Step | Sh. Betrayal | Sh. Visage | ||
| 10 | Stealth | Empathy | Rapport | Ghost Scales | P.K. Hammer | Zeph. Reach | Vac. Step | Sh. Guardians |
And, from here, we have the pyramid support to raise up a new level 50-stat.
CotWG at level 50 (Effect: 6) would allow Kei to generate 6 tags per round. This would allow her to...
- Move 1 zone as a free action on anyone's turn (which costs 3 tags to achieve),
- Increase her kunai's WR to 3 (Effect/2),
- Increase her kunai's range to 4 Zones (1+(Effect/2)),
- Still have 3 tags to spend on Athletics rolls (Multitaggable x3)
| 60 | Resolve | Athletics | ||||||
| 50 | Shadow Clone | Ranged W. | CotWG | |||||
| 40 | Alertness | Physique | Sh. Imitate | |||||
| 30 | Chakra | Frozen Skein | Deceit | Substitution | ||||
| 20 | Intimidation | Presence | Echolocation | Sh. Step | Sh. Betrayal | Sh. Visage | ||
| 10 | Stealth | Empathy | Rapport | Ghost Scales | P.K. Hammer | Zeph. Reach | Vac. Step | Sh. Guardians |
And we can go a lot further (I know there's some talk of asking Kei to learn Lightning for Pang Flash, SotS, and Thunderburst) but let's leave it at this for now. 😅
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Mostly as you say: my primary goal is to extend the conversation to the other things, and that would look weird without a lot of massaging. (Granted, the plan may be overcomplicated even given that...)
I think it's good to occupy all of them with something, so that e. g. those still interested in the rift have a harder time recruiting them for help with side tasks.
Why assume Hazou would break OPSEC on that by default? Eh, done.
My concern here is that Shikamaru may not be pleased that we're parroting what he said to— oh, fuck it. Done.
Yeah, it'll just be a wince or something.
My expectation is that while it won't cause a seizure or anything, it'd still be noticeable. A flinch, a momentary distraction.
This is going to be a very sensitive operation, and we want to account for as many variables as possible. I've softened it to "be ready for a mid-conversation startle". Or do you think including this would be actively counterproductive, not just unnecessary?
Solid points. @Shrooms, I think that's something you were interested in? I'm inclined to cut it.
Sure, done.
Ooooh. Updating.
... Actually I'm not sure this is a good idea. AMITY does change things; we clearly can get into communication with Hidan via Asuma if we really want to. From Asuma's point of view, it might well look like we're asking for a different, private communication channel... I'll just have Mari screen that.
Done, after a fashion.
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Because precedent says he will if we don't explicitly tell him not to
I think its presence might be counterproductive from a meta standpoint as it may bring attention to something that wouldn't have gotten it otherwise, but I suppose the cat is out of the bag. I think 'be prepared for it' is probably fine. If I were him I'd just wave it off as "I'm fine." or something.
I want Kakuzu interested, not Hidan (as Kakuzu will see an easy moneymaking opportunity and kick the wall initiative into high gear and save a bunch of lives as a byproduct), but we don't need to do it right this minute. I generally agree with not wanting Hidan in Fire if possible, unless we're convincing him to join us on a beast massacring spree
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Boosting this.
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I would suggest skipping raising a shadow jutsu to 30 at this part, instead we can raise RW to the 50s in the same training plan we raise FS to 40. This can get her to RW 59 + FS 40 (maybe even FS 49) quicker and give her a firmly jonin-level attack.
This is technically an insufficiently wide pyramids but as paper established, that's fine until we want to raise her capstone, and it doesn't create any overhangs. It gives her a 1/3/3/3 top of the pyramid.
Essentially I just want to speedrun her being a more valuable Summoner and less assassinateable by various factions.
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I'd definitely be okay with that, too. FS is doublecost though, so it would take a while (and a firm, long-term commitment on the part of the wider hivemind).
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This def shouldn't be the plan for Noburi. We need to raise his physique to 40 to make a play for sage mode. After that I would want to raise his athletics & awareness to 49.
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It is double cost but it also boosts pretty much all of her skills for a whole round. Leveling FS is like leveling Ath and RW at the same time
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Ok... I guess I'm confused because these largely don't seem to map to your Goals section. You say the top aim is "Don't create new major problems. Make theirs a smooth and brief visit." and then you spend most of the plan making theirs a risky and drawn out conversation.
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Onerios, we've discussed this before, but we never come to any agreement. We're not going to come to an agreement.
- I say that I Disagree. I point out that Noburi wants to focus on his medical skills, and that we should honor that trust (lest he pull control of his character sheet away, if for no other reason).
- You say that it would help unlock Sage Mode and help his survivability in general.
- I point out that we're not even sure that a high Physique is the only missing prerequisite, that Noburi isn't going on missions anytime soon, and that he can wait a little bit.
- You say that we shouldn't wait, and that we should push for Physique 40.
- I reiterate preference for mednin 40 my point about Noburi's trust in Hazou.
- You reiterate your preference for Physique.
We're not going to convince each other.
Noburi wants to focus on his medical skills, so let's focus on that. We can raise his Physique as his next 40-level stat after Mednin 40. I would be okay with the Ath/Aw 49 divergence after Mednin 40, though.
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I'm not trying to convince you. When you push your proposed build I push an alternative because I don't want it to seem like your plan is the only option. I don't want people to pick your path simply because it's the only one that they have seen for years.
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This would be a misleading statement, if not an outright lie, since Akatsuki's headquarters are in Hidden Rain. Hazou knows this and a Deceit roll may be initiated.
I would just get rid of this; it's something that isn't necessary for the plan.
Asuma has not voiced his explicit approval in contacting Akatsuki for the Dragonwar; he's merely listened to Hazou's suggestion and mused on the idea.
Most the rest of this is OK though the Rock/Uplift stuff is a bit off-topic and I don't like it.
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To further expand on this we can actually do both paths at the same time! We just have Noburi go back to studying the med notes. We can keep leveling his medKnow while we spend his general XP on survivability. Then when we raise a new 50 we can immediately raise his medNin to 46. We can both get what we want if we follow this path
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Just posting the following question from discord concerning Yoshida's privacy and locking seals.
The privacy seal or seals were mentioned in chapter 446: Out of Character.
And the locking seals were mentioned in chapter 512: Aftermaths and Arachnid Anticipation.
I'm assuming that Hazou has a general knowledge of these seals just from being around Jiraiya and Kagome. What I wanted to know is if Hazou knows more details? And does he think these seals might be useful for getting veterancy in closing rifts?
Just posting the following question from discord concerning Yoshida's privacy and locking seals.
The privacy seal or seals were mentioned in chapter 446: Out of Character.
And the locking seals were mentioned in chapter 512: Aftermaths and Arachnid Anticipation.
I'm assuming that Hazou has a general knowledge of these seals just from being around Jiraiya and Kagome. What I wanted to know is if Hazou knows more details? And does he think these seals might be useful for getting veterancy in closing rifts?
I want to go for 4FSP, because Hazou could really use a kage-level defensive option. That said, I heard discussion of 5SB and force wall give veterancy for 4FSP, so would it be faster/more efficient to do one/both of those first?
I still don't have a great read on how sealing research works(yet!), sorry.
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Characters in-universe can't quantify stats that way. Kei can't say she wants to get "good" or "very good" at Deceit and have that mean anything in a training context. Nor can she say "I want to be as good as X", because someone with low Deceit can't tell exactly how good somebody with much better Deceit is (Kei has no way of telling if Mari's Deceit is 40, 60, or 80, except a priori from the fact that she's a social spec jōnin). Hazō can only really work off her stated goal, which is to be able to reliably conceal EM and other major secrets from the kind of people she typically interacts with.
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This... isn't the case? After you raise up a new 50, you need to raise up another 30 before you can raise up another 40.
Follow your suggested path...
| 50 | Water Whip | Vamp Dew | Medknow | |||
| 40 | Alertness | Athletics | Chakra | |||
| 30 | Physique | Syrup Trap | W.D. Bullet | Mednin | Resolve | |
| 20 | Empathy | Substitution | Hoz. Mantle | Rapport | Deceit | |
| 10 | Stealth | Intimidation | Presence | Water Clone | A.U.B. Bomb | Surging Seas |
Noburi then raises Physique to 40...
| 50 | Water Whip | Vamp Dew | Medknow | |||
| 40 | Alertness | Athletics | Chakra | Physique | ||
| 30 | Syrup Trap | W.D. Bullet | Mednin | Resolve | ||
| 20 | Empathy | Substitution | Hoz. Mantle | Rapport | Deceit | |
| 10 | Stealth | Intimidation | Presence | Water Clone | A.U.B. Bomb | Surging Seas |
He then raises one of his level 50-stats up to level 60, thus creating room for a new level 50...
| 60 | Vamp Dew | |||||
| 50 | Water Whip | Medknow | ||||
| 40 | Alertness | Athletics | Chakra | Physique | ||
| 30 | Syrup Trap | W.D. Bullet | Mednin | Resolve | ||
| 20 | Empathy | Substitution | Hoz. Mantle | Rapport | Deceit | |
| 10 | Stealth | Intimidation | Presence | Water Clone | A.U.B. Bomb | Surging Seas |
Noburi raises up a 40-level stat up to level 50...
| 60 | Vamp Dew | |||||
| 50 | Water Whip | Medknow | Athletics | |||
| 40 | Alertness | Chakra | Physique | |||
| 30 | Syrup Trap | W.D. Bullet | Mednin | Resolve | ||
| 20 | Empathy | Substitution | Hoz. Mantle | Rapport | Deceit | |
| 10 | Stealth | Intimidation | Presence | Water Clone | A.U.B. Bomb | Surging Seas |
| 60 | Vamp Dew | |||||
| 50 | Water Whip | Medknow | Athletics | |||
| 40 | Alertness | Chakra | Physique | Mednin | ||
| 30 | Syrup Trap | W.D. Bullet | Resolve | |||
| 20 | Empathy | Substitution | Hoz. Mantle | Rapport | Deceit | |
| 10 | Stealth | Intimidation | Presence | Water Clone | A.U.B. Bomb | Surging Seas |
This is a hanging pyramid, and is thus invalid.
We would have to raise up a stat to level 30 before Noburi's able to have another level 40.
I feel like this takes way, way too long.
Right now, Noburi currently has 37 Mednin Orochimaru Notes Banked and Ready to Spend, which means he would either have to spend 3 general XP for Medin 40, or spend an afternoon reading some more Notes.
He could have Mednin 40 by the end of the next voting cycle, and it would be in support of his dreams.
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I continue to emphasize that the NINJUTSU IT IS BASED ON is a kage level defense. We do not yet know what the seal does. In the best case it is also that strong but Asuma implied it is more limited than the ninjutsu
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Hm... for the purposes of spreadsheets, level 40 is considered "great," so I'll assume that's the goal, and earmark it with the potential to go higher.
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[x] Action Plan: All You Billiard Balls
[X] Training Plan (Kei): Support for Deceit to 20
[X] Training Plan (Kei): Support for Deceit to 20
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KEI: Hmm. Mari, could you demonstrate the efficacy of "great" Deceit for me?
MARI: Of course, dear. Hazō, despite everything you've seen, heard, and physically felt, Snowflake does not have a crush on you.
Mari: Deceit ->40 - 3 = 37
Hazō: Deceit 24 + 0 - 24
HAZŌ: Huh. Thanks for letting me know, Mari. I really could've made a fool of myself there.
KEI: ...I'll take it.
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I'd also really like to make a red-spectrum strobelight seal that doesn't suck. ruby glasses would make us immune to the effect, and it would be a great complement to the Banshee seals in our standard loadout.
I think this would be pretty easy, and could be done by a non-SSA clone.
Even modifying our current crappy flash seals to red-spectrum might have a pretty good value/effort ratio.
Given that colour changing is pretty trivial, I hope we could do it in a single day.
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