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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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ProperAttorney said:
AFAIK you don't actually need to do the seals in order, they just grant veterancy. Research the current one at speed and the next much slower with full prep? Either way, Kagome can be turned to FOOM if the situation calls for it (like the death of Hazo and possible annihilation of all paths).
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I'm pretty sure Kagome uses full prep all the time because he's Kagome and never does Sealing with anything less than the utmost of caution. Even then he's not finding the Minato seals an easy task when followed properly in order. I'm not sure he'd be safe trying to leapfrog ahead. We also know that most of the Minato chain is illegible in concept and purpose right now, and only starts to make sense as we complete the seals leading up to it, so I put good odds on the veterancy requirements being pretty steep as you go along.
Shrooms said:
Hmm honestly I don't know! Kagome made it sound like he was as far in to the chain as he needed to go though, and it was time to do original research, he's just waiting on Hazou to read the chain up to where he is. Could be wrong but that's how I recall it
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I think Kagome's only far enough in that he knows what number in the chain he needs to hit before he can work on the actual product, but he hasn't reached that number yet. I could be wrong/outdated though, so take with a grain of salt. Either way, he did specifically ask Hazou to focus on the Minato seals in order to catch up and help work on the more difficult parts of our necromantic sealtech.
 
faflec said:
Trade deals with Aburame Clan for lenses, most likely.

Talk with Hinata about gemstones, maybe? If we're getting the sapphires cut there's no way the Hyuga aren't going to hear about it; they control the jewellery market.
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I have very little interest in this, I want to follow up on Akane's mission with Mari and Kei.
Black King said:
  • Test Burning Sand Macerators for effectiveness (off-screen)
  • Continue work on Minato's Seals with Kagome
  • Continue on Directional Explosives/Rocket Boots (no prep, reroll -9, -12 calligraphy)
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This doesn't work with the timeline. Kagome requires full prep (9 prep days a cycle) and as written the DE seal takes 0 prep days in full research cycle. That means that Hazou will never recover from the first SSA consequence because he'll keep working on Sealing while he has that Mild.

Also suggest adding Caustic Soda Macerators and Oil of Vitriol Macerators.

I suggest switching to the following:
  • Test Burning Sand Macerators, Test Caustic Soda Macerators, and Oil of Vitriol Macerators for effectiveness (off-screen) ((links to follow))
  • Hazou and 1 SC continue work on DE and the next Minoto Seal (no prep, yes SSA, reroll -9&-12 calligraphy/Sealing)
  • Continue to Rocket Boots/Minoto Seal+2 (full prep, yes SSA, reroll -9&-12 Calligraphy/Sealing) when those seals complete, work with Kagome on RB.
  • Instead of prepping for Minoto Seal+2 with the Hazou SC, IFF it is chunin-level or below, do single prep days for the following seals in order, Macerators V. 4.0.2 (link to follow), your seal here, your seal here, your seal here ........
    • Prep for Minoto Seal+2 on any remaining days before the RB roll
Let me know if you don't like something in my suggestions, but this really needs fixing.
 
Sir Stompy said:
This doesn't work with the timeline. Kagome requires full prep (9 prep days a cycle) and as written the DE seal takes 0 prep days in full research cycle. That means that Hazou will never recover from the first SSA consequence because he'll keep working on Sealing while he has that Mild.
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I can see the logic in that. I didn't think of the full prep thing, so I'll take the phrase "with Kagome" out.

Sir Stompy said:
I suggest switching to the following:
  • Test Burning Sand Macerators, Test Caustic Soda Macerators, and Oil of Vitriol Macerators for effectiveness (off-screen) ((links to follow))
  • Hazou and 1 SC continue work on DE and the next Minoto Seal (no prep, yes SSA, reroll -9&-12 calligraphy/Sealing)
  • Continue to Rocket Boots/Minoto Seal+2 (full prep, yes SSA, reroll -9&-12 Calligraphy/Sealing) when those seals complete, work with Kagome on RB.
  • Instead of prepping for Minoto Seal+2 with the Hazou SC, IFF it is chunin-level or below, do single prep days for the following seals in order, Macerators V. 4.0.2 (link to follow), your seal here, your seal here, your seal here ........
    • Prep for Minoto Seal+2 on any remaining days before the RB roll
Let me know if you don't like something in my suggestions, but this really needs fixing.
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Main issue is it's Minato and not Minoto (jk, I don't care).

The actual issue is the full prep on Rocket Boots. I feel like we should finish DE first, then see what Rocket Boots' new difficulty is. Kagome suggests it'll be way lower.

Also Macerators v4 is confirmed Jonin I believe.

I do like adding a prep roll for other seals for other days, so I may add them back in with the caveat that DE and Rocket Boots are finished first. Though I doubt a ten day time period can cover more than just DE and RB. But maybe.
 
Sir Stompy said:
I have very little interest in this, I want to follow up on Akane's mission with Mari and Kei.

This doesn't work with the timeline. Kagome requires full prep (9 prep days a cycle) and as written the DE seal takes 0 prep days in full research cycle. That means that Hazou will never recover from the first SSA consequence because he'll keep working on Sealing while he has that Mild.

Also suggest adding Caustic Soda Macerators and Oil of Vitriol Macerators.

I suggest switching to the following:
  • Test Burning Sand Macerators, Test Caustic Soda Macerators, and Oil of Vitriol Macerators for effectiveness (off-screen) ((links to follow))
  • Hazou and 1 SC continue work on DE and the next Minoto Seal (no prep, yes SSA, reroll -9&-12 calligraphy/Sealing)
  • Continue to Rocket Boots/Minoto Seal+2 (full prep, yes SSA, reroll -9&-12 Calligraphy/Sealing) when those seals complete, work with Kagome on RB.
  • Instead of prepping for Minoto Seal+2 with the Hazou SC, IFF it is chunin-level or below, do single prep days for the following seals in order, Macerators V. 4.0.2 (link to follow), your seal here, your seal here, your seal here ........
    • Prep for Minoto Seal+2 on any remaining days before the RB roll
Let me know if you don't like something in my suggestions, but this really needs fixing.
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Hazou's Calligraphy score is much more swingy than his sealing; I'd suggest much higher (er, lower) reroll numbers for that.
 
Black King said:
The actual issue is the full prep on Rocket Boots. I feel like we should finish DE first, then see what Rocket Boots' new difficulty is. Kagome suggests it'll be way lower
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Just add that caveat. "Do 1 prep day to assess new RB difficulty, if chunin-level proceed as before, if jounin-level proceed with full prep" or something like that.
Black King said:
Also Macerators v4 is confirmed Jonin I believe
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We voted in a prep day for it, but it got missed and there was a bunch of discussion on the backend by the QMs about it (I think, @Paperclipped correct me if I'm wrong here). I'm hoping that discussion is finished and we can finally see what the difficulty is. If you can find the quote describing the difficulty, I am happy to be proven wrong.
Cariyaga said:
Hazou's Calligraphy score is much more swingy than his sealing; I'd suggest much higher (er, lower) reroll numbers for that.
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For what ones? Callig 37 should be sufficient for practically any chunin seal. With full prep we're rolling 43+18-6 = 55 minimum Callig, that should also be fine for a jounin level seal. We already passed the RB check rolling at 52
Paperclipped said:
Hazō (Calligraphy): 39 + 16 (8x days prep) - 3 = 52
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Sir Stompy said:
Just add that caveat. "Do 1 prep day to assess new RB difficulty, if chunin-level proceed as before, if jounin-level proceed with full prep" or something like that.

We voted in a prep day for it, but it got missed and there was a bunch of discussion on the backend by the QMs about it (I think, @Paperclipped correct me if I'm wrong here). I'm hoping that discussion is finished and we can finally see what the difficulty is. If you can find the quote describing the difficulty, I am happy to be proven wrong.

For what ones? Callig 37 should be sufficient for practically any chunin seal. For RB we already passed the calligraphy check. With full prep we're rolling 43+18-6 = 55 minimum Callig, that should also be fine for a jounin level seal. We already passed the check rolling at 52
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Well, I don't really recommend doing full prep on, uh, either of them honestly.
 
Cariyaga said:
Oh, sorry -- I thought we were doing directional explosives first? I made the assumption that's what we were doing.
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We are - the way the veterency mechanics work for seals is that they don't lower TNs very much. I'm expecting the RB TNs to drop by 5.

eaglejarl said:
Veterancy follows a couple guidelines.

  • For TNs (Infusion/Calligraphy):
    • All related seals are considered.
    • Each relevant seal slightly lowers the TN, typically by 0-5 points.
    • If there are multiple relevant seals, they provide diminishing benefits.
  • For Complexity:
    • Only one seal, the most similar one, is considered.
    • Veterancy can reduce Complexity by up to 95%.
    • The reduction is based on how much can be carried over from the original design
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Sir Stompy said:
Quote about Rocket Boots for the interested.

Yeah, my Sealing plan has us using no prep for those seals. Just prep days for Rocket Boots.
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Right, so for those in particular I'd suggest rerolling higher on callig. We don't know what callig number we're looking at, after all.

e: Although -- I guess we could just ask Kagome how straining they are when it comes to calligraphy?
 
Rafin said:
This is just blatant lies, right? We haven't sold a single technique of theirs. The closest we got to that is share them with adoptees, which we were pretty much allowed, since that's the equivalent of what we were to Kei.
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Cultural misunderstanding. They view us sharing our techniques with adoptees as selling the jutsu.

They thought there was no concept of adoption into a Clan, having been isolated since Clans were extended families that did not adopt 10 ninja in a single year.

Many of whom joined largely for the extra survivablity that the Pangolin jutsu provide.
Cariyaga said:
Right, so for those in particular I'd suggest rerolling higher on callig. We don't know what callig number we're looking at, after all
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Hazou already passed it on a 52, we know that's sufficient. Which now likely means a 47 is sufficient since the callig TN will have dropped by ~5 for the DE veterancy.
 
Paperclipped said:
Immediately following the end of Chapter 586…
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And there we thought the timeline was complicated enough :D
Paperclipped said:
The open-top design almost reminded Hazō of a Chūnin Exams arena.
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If Kotzui became a summoner I vote we taunt him again
Paperclipped said:
the traders that spent their time outside the Conclave's walls to escape Pangolin's oppressive architecture.
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And Pangolin's oppressive everything, really
Paperclipped said:
"I expect he will not waste my time for long, then," Hazō said.
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Oooooh.
Paperclipped said:
Hazō hadn't memorized the ranks used by the Pangolin military
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For an IN user to not memorize something sounds like a tactical mistake on Hazō's part. Hazō, you just had to ask Kei and repeat the ranks once!
Paperclipped said:
Of course the Taxiarchos would rob them of their dramatic entrance.
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I dislike him already
Paperclipped said:
He crossed the distance between them in seconds, unfurling from his roll at barely five meters away and crossing the rest of the distance with a pangolin's slow, meticulous walk.
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Honestly I get why. The roll is badass, a pangolin's walk is adorable at best and ridiculous at worst.
Paperclipped said:
White, vertical rectangles of paint marked scores of scales around his body, and he had replaced many more scales with steel plates
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Status symbols plus reminders of wars fought?
Paperclipped said:
Each bracer had dozens of stiff, maroon feathers hanging from it. Condor feathers, Hazō realized. Soaked in dried blood.
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... Kick his ass.
Paperclipped said:
"We do not accept bribes," Taxiarchos Pankratos said. "The Dog Clan is not a part of the Conclave, and you are not an authorized representative. You do not even have leave to set foot on Pangolin land, far less this place. You will leave. Now."

Hazō looked up at the Taxiarchos, firmly, projecting his voice so everyone in the crowd could hear him. "I called for the Conclave's creation. I invented the trade network that sustains it, even now that everyone hass forgotten its original purpose. Of course, I am immensely grateful for the Pangolin Clan's graciousness in hosting all the members of the Conclave, and with the Conclave's new purpose as the nexus of my trade network, you know that Dog is as much a part of the Conclave as any other clan, even if our trades used to happen through third parties."
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A bit unsavvy of the Texaveryos to literally give Hazō cause to badass boast
Paperclipped said:
Still, you can't keep me from the Conclave. I come here with the blessing of three Bosses of various clans. That overrides your mandate in an international place like this.
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Oof for the Taxidriveros. Pulling rank on a guy who tries to make your life difficult makes it harder for him and makes me smile
Paperclipped said:
The Taxiarchos interlaced his claws together, making the peace sign. "You are forbidden. Try to enter at your own risk."
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Okay but imagine it with any other peace sign, like the V with two fingers. I dare you not to laugh.
Paperclipped said:
"You don't think I can't easily get past you all?" Hazō said, trying to seem bemused.

"I think you're a coward and a weakling," the Taxiarchos said.
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HAZŌ: *flies around them* Haha I got past you all!
PATRIARCHOS: I was right, flying is fleeing is cowardly.
HAZŌ: Shit, he's good.
Paperclipped said:
Very well. I won't cause my people further harm by forcing them to stand against you.
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Yeah that was good that these two were here because without MARS there's no way we would have won against so many Pangolins, right? Seventh Path jutsu is bonkers.
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"Conjura is a villain, who drove the condors under her to hatred and rebellion. It's only-" Hazō barely caught the hitch where the condor trade representative realized who Hazō was. "It's only because of the Pangolin Empire's benevolent rule that my people are now truly free!"
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:(
Paperclipped said:
A few of the condors still had rope binding their wings across their chests. Hazō resisted the urge to point out how just how free Constarainu's people were.
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Yeah they're a bit Constarainued, I mean, constrained, at the moment-
Paperclipped said:
nstead, he hoped the message came through to the other members of the Conclave that were watching Hazō's arrival. They would get the message: I want to give the condors their home back.
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But Pantsā'll know, too, huh.
Paperclipped said:
Confute
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The name... Red herring? Hmmmm.
Paperclipped said:
Taxiarchos Pankratos said no more mistakes from you
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Oooooh I hate the Toxicarchaeon more and more.
Paperclipped said:
I've been out the past two weeks, but I'm back now! Somewhat…
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I don't mean to pry, but is everything alright?
 
Unaligned Player said:
Can't find it myself so let's try old reliable. @faflec, mind lending us assistance?
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eaglejarl said:
Hazō smiled slightly, leaning back in his armchair with his fingers steepled. "I spoke to Asuma today. Kagome-sensei, he was a little put off when I told him how much of Jiraiya's notes there are to decode, and he wants to speed things up, so—hold on! Put your rings away, there's no need for that. Thanks. Anyway, he's uncomfortable having you learn Shadow Clone because your skill as a sealmaster already makes you a desirable target for kidnap attempts and knowing Shadow Clone on top of that would just be putting a bullseye on you." And also because it wasn't a great idea to give important state secrets to the world's worst liar and arguably worst secret-keeper. "Fortunately, he is willing to let Akane learn it so that she can help you. You crack the ciphers, give her the key and the codetext, she and her clones can take care of the mechanical work of decoding and transcribing while you focus on breaking the next cipher."
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Hazō has tested burning sand macerators and the various oil of vitriol, caustic soda, etc things that are being discussed in discord. They work like wide-angle directed explosives. See the rules doc for details.
 
"No. For the crime of attempting to kill me, I claim ownership of this condor's life, to do with as I will."

[rolls to convince Pangolins that this is a fate worse than death, succeeds, Condor is given to Hazou]

"What I will is your freedom, here, go to Conjura."
 
[x] Noburi Training Plan: Medknow to 50
Medknow 49 -> 50 (-23 general XP, -27 Orochimaru Notes XP)
Surging Seas 0 -> 9 (-3 general XP)

(49- (23+22.5))= 3 General XP Remaining
0 Banked Medknow XP Remaining


[x] Kei Training Plan: FS to 30
FS 29 -> 30 (-60xp)

0 General XP remaining
 
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