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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Inferno Vulpix said:
I think I'm drawing a blank on more things we can do for necromancy in our current position. The research/abstract side of it is covered by the poetry codes, and we already had the convo about exploration/rescue plans. I'm also not sure what we'd have to talk about with our team if the Yuno conversation is already spoken for.

...I wonder how the civilian population here is doing. Maybe we can drop by and do some Uplift?
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Here are some options:

[X] stay at the rift, keep helping Kagome
(Max duration to stay)

[X] stay at the rift, work on our own seals
(Max duration to stay)
(List of seals in priority order)

[X] Wrap it up and go home
(Number of days to spend wrapping things up before leaving. Might be 0 in which case Kagome does not get to make an infusion roll)
(Stuff to do after leaving and before getting home, is there is anything. Example: go to Nagi)
(Stuff to do once home, if desired and if the previous section gets finished)

[X] Let EJ write what he wants. We trust him

faflec said:
...Do we need to have a training plan to convert XP to FP? @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail ?
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So far as I'm concerned, you can put it in a training plan or an action plan or whatever. @Velorien might prefer something else.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
I think I'm drawing a blank on more things we can do for necromancy in our current position. The research/abstract side of it is covered by the poetry codes, and we already had the convo about exploration/rescue plans. I'm also not sure what we'd have to talk about with our team if the Yuno conversation is already spoken for.

...I wonder how the civilian population here is doing. Maybe we can drop by and do some Uplift?
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We can send a message to Shikamaru, as he requested, we can continue independent research, we can spend some time working with doggos to arrange for someone to track down Jiraiya or alternately just work on rounding out our summons we can get. Genjutsu, medics, whatever.
 
[X] Stay at the Rift until Hazo and Kagome agree they have the readings/measurements they need to make progress/brainstorm back in Leaf. Detour by Nagi Island on the way home - visit the site of the battle and see if the stone in the area (especially where the Machine would have been) is any easier to Earthshape than normal stone.
faflec said:
My question is more ... if we were about to enter combat, could we vote to convert XP to FP?
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To possibly refine/clarify the question, I think what's being asked here is 'do we need downtime etc. to vote to convert XP into FATE points, or if an update ends right as someone's fist is hurtling towards our face, can we vote to exchange XP for FP and have them immediately available?'
 
[X] Stay at the Rift until Hazo and Kagome agree they have the readings/measurements they need to make progress/brainstorm back in Leaf. Detour by Nagi Island on the way home - visit the site of the battle and see if the stone in the area (especially where the Machine would have been) is any easier to Earthshape than normal stone.
 
FaintlySorcerous said:
I don't think this is a good idea. They get used automatically in sensible ways and if we buy and stockpile them, then the natural rate we get them at will go down significantly.
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How often have we slowed down our FP generation anyway due to not spending them enough?

Also Stockpiling XP before dangerous events would neeed to cost a lot of xp compared to not stockpiling them for the xp cost to matter. Since what we are buying with the additional xp cost is life safety

FaintlySorcerous said:
To possibly refine/clarify the question, I think what's being asked here is 'do we need downtime etc. to vote to convert XP into FATE points, or if an update ends right as someone's fist is hurtling towards our face, can we vote to exchange XP for FP and have them immediately available?
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No I'm more worried about a fist hurtling towards our face without the update ending. Or of us initiating a death battle without buying FP first. Which means unless we have FP already we have no chance to use them.
 
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roobee said:
How often have we slowed down our FP generation anyway due to not spending them enough?
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From the rules:
Fate Points from Surviving Updates
This scale depends on how many points a character already has.
  • 0-3 Fate Points: Get one (or more) every update.
  • 4-7: Get one on substantial updates.
  • 7+: Get one for player cleverness.
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So, pretty infrequently, given that we generally sit in the 0-3 range. It sounds like you're proposing we try to always sit in the 4-7 range. We actually spend FP fairly regularly (research projects etc.) so the XP cost of maintaining that 4-7 range gets expensive pretty quickly. 50 XP is, what, an in-game week's worth of FOOM? The XP cost of maintaining FP in that range will be 10 times the rate at which we naturally regenerate FP (if we assume that 'substantial updates' and 'player cleverness' aren't a significant fraction of the rate at which we regenerate FP).
roobee said:
Also Stockpiling XP before dangerous events would neeed to cost a lot of xp compared to not stockpiling them for the xp cost to matter. Since what we are buying with the additional xp cost is life safety
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I'm going to assume you mean "stockpiling FP before dangerous events" - if not, I have no idea what you mean.

I'm neutral on buying the occasional FP before doing something we know to be dangerous - that's a case-by-case thing and I don't have an opinion without the specifics. I do think it's worth noting that we can put a very clear value on exactly how much safety we're buying, because FP translate directly to numerical bonuses on rolls. IMO if we're in a position where we need to spend more than two to avoid a significant consequence, we already screwed up. The actual amount of 'safety' we purchase with a single FP is only significant in a very limited number of situations, and if we're buying them by the boatload then we're probably in more trouble than we can escape with FP.

Edit: apparently, if you include the characters 'square bracket, capital S, closing square bracket' in your text, it does a strikethrough until the end of the text. I apologize for having wrongly blamed you for my error, cat.
 
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eaglejarl said:
Browsing back through the thread because reasons, despite it's almost 2am and I've already told 2 different people that I'm going to bed, and I noticed this. I threadmarked it because it should have been at the time, but I find myself wishing it would continue.
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I have bid my time, and estimate this the best moment to respectfully request my own years old MfD omake be threadmarked too, that I may delight in other people stumbling more often into that pile of cringe.
 
[X] Stay at the Rift until Hazo and Kagome agree they have the readings/measurements they need to make progress/brainstorm back in Leaf. Detour by Nagi Island on the way home - visit the site of the battle and see if the stone in the area (especially where the Machine would have been) is any easier to Earthshape than normal stone.

Yeah this sounds like a sensible approach, and the Nagi Island scene should be fun. Informing Shikamaru, I'd rather we do that in-person when we return to Leaf. Maybe even after we finish the rift-opener project and are planning to go test it.
 
[X] Stay at the Rift until Hazo and Kagome agree they have the readings/measurements they need to make progress/brainstorm back in Leaf. Detour by Nagi Island on the way home - visit the site of the battle and see if the stone in the area (especially where the Machine would have been) is any easier to Earthshape than normal stone.
 
[X] Stay at the Rift until Hazo and Kagome agree they have the readings/measurements they need to make progress/brainstorm back in Leaf. Detour by Nagi Island on the way home - visit the site of the battle and see if the stone in the area (especially where the Machine would have been) is any easier to Earthshape than normal stone.
 
Would anyone like to make a bet with me on whether we are able to make 3D seals with the stone from Nagi at our current skill levels?
 
Cariyaga said:
Would anyone like to make a bet with me on whether we are able to make 3D seals with the stone from Nagi at our current skill levels?
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I'm effectively certain that we'll significantly advance in 3D sealing if there's 'good' stone at Nagi. If there isn't, or it's in pieces too small to be useful, or something similar, then I don't think we'll take significant steps forward.

What do you care to wager? (Or, do you agree with me?)
 
[X] Stay at the Rift until Hazo and Kagome agree they have the readings/measurements they need to make progress/brainstorm back in Leaf. Detour by Nagi Island on the way home - visit the site of the battle and see if the stone in the area (especially where the Machine would have been) is any easier to Earthshape than normal stone.

Cariyaga said:
Would anyone like to make a bet with me on whether we are able to make 3D seals with the stone from Nagi at our current skill levels?
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Sure, I bet Hazou can't make 3D seals with his current skill levels
 
FaintlySorcerous said:
I'm effectively certain that we'll significantly advance in 3D sealing if there's 'good' stone at Nagi. If there isn't, or it's in pieces too small to be useful, or something similar, then I don't think we'll take significant steps forward.

What do you care to wager? (Or, do you agree with me?)
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I think it's best not to put the pressure on EJ that an actual monetary bet would have, but I would be happy to bet a vote toward whatever (within reason, etc.)

...Or for you to attempt reading one of the other quests in the local diaspora.

The specific terms of the bet would be that if Hazou is not able to create 3D seals with the stone from Nagi, the bet goes in my favor; if he is, it goes in yours. If he does not find stone of sufficient purity/difference, then the bet is null.
 
Cariyaga said:
I think it's best not to put the pressure on EJ that an actual monetary bet would have, but I would be happy to bet a vote toward whatever (within reason, etc.)

...Or for you to attempt reading one of the other quests in the local diaspora.

The specific terms of the bet would be that if Hazou is not able to create 3D seals with the stone from Nagi, the bet goes in my favor; if he is, it goes in yours. If he does not find stone of sufficient purity/difference, then the bet is null.
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I'm trying to get caught up on LotRoL, and...the Zelda one. I forget what it's called. Anyway, that one is on my radar.

I'm willing to bet you that access to high-quality stone (stone that has been used to create another 3D seal) is sufficient to enable Hazo to make a significant leap forward in his understanding of 3D sealing. This is notably less than 'he can make 3D seals' - if he was able to create a null seal ('technically, this is a seal, but it does absolutely nothing') I wouldn't be surprised, but I doubt he's making explosives any time soon given how long that takes with a dedicated teacher.

If we can't agree on whether a change was 'significant' then we either go to third-party mediation or declare the bet void. (I'm happy to make a deal as men here, as it were.)

What I am willing to bet is that in one voting cycle, I vote for any plan which a) contains significant work towards a goal you identify and b) doesn't violate my quality/sanity standards. This effectively guarantees you my vote on plans you choose in a cycle, but, significantly, allows me to write my own plan which furthers your agendas in a way I find agreeable. I like this better than straight vote commitments and promise to deal in good faith.
 
FaintlySorcerous said:
I'm trying to get caught up on LotRoL, and...the Zelda one. I forget what it's called. Anyway, that one is on my radar.

I'm willing to bet you that access to high-quality stone (stone that has been used to create another 3D seal) is sufficient to enable Hazo to make a significant leap forward in his understanding of 3D sealing. This is notably less than 'he can make 3D seals' - if he was able to create a null seal ('technically, this is a seal, but it does absolutely nothing') I wouldn't be surprised, but I doubt he's making explosives any time soon given how long that takes with a dedicated teacher.

If we can't agree on whether a change was 'significant' then we either go to third-party mediation or declare the bet void. (I'm happy to make a deal as men here, as it were.)

What I am willing to bet is that in one voting cycle, I vote for any plan which a) contains significant work towards a goal you identify and b) doesn't violate my quality/sanity standards. This effectively guarantees you my vote on plans you choose in a cycle, but, significantly, allows me to write my own plan which furthers your agendas in a way I find agreeable. I like this better than straight vote commitments and promise to deal in good faith.
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And this is why I made that offer -- I figured it would get us both closer to what we were actually thinking on the subject, to have to lay it out explicitly in terms for the bet.

I don't necessarily disagree that it could provide Hazou additional knowledge or a boon to his levels of experience in working with the materials that 3D seals would need, just that it won't do much for actually making one at the moment. Thanks for explaining your point of view!
 
Cariyaga said:
I don't necessarily disagree that it could provide Hazou additional knowledge or a boon to his levels of experience in working with the materials that 3D seals would need, just that it won't do much for actually making one at the moment. Thanks for explaining your point of view!
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I think that within 2-3 updates of trying to make the simplest possible 3D seal, given access to suitable materials, without voting in new training plans, we could create the 'hello world!' of 3D seals.
 
[X] Let EJ write what he wants. We trust him

I haven't been following the thread so I'm not sure if voting is open, but I can't think of a single time that would be better to let EJ write whatever he wants than when we're sitting right beside the necromancy rift.
 
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