I can't believe a one line plan that does essentially nothing is tied. Y'all really hate having agency lol
 
[X] Yet Another Set of Negotiating Parameters
Word count: 200-ish.
  • Counteroffer:
    • Orochimaru gets exclusive access to the Dragon parts for two weeks each. He only holds one at a time.
      • The others may be non-destructively investigated by other parties until the deal concludes.
      • Orochimaru will provide five packets of notes/information of equivalent value to those currently offered (per part) if any parts are damaged during his investigations. Equivalency to be determined by Tower-appointed arbiter. The remnants will be returned and the deal will be terminated.
      • If any parts are destroyed during Orochimaru's investigations, as above, but ten packets.
    • Happy to negotiate destructive/damaging research as it comes up; however, we feel strongly that all of Leaf's researchers should have an opportunity to investigate the parts before they're damaged or destroyed.
    • The Goketsu will swap parts upon request with a 24 hour grace period.
    • Flexible on how many parts are in his possession at once in exchange for useful jutsu (e.g. reduction of need for sleep), consultation on the Great Seal, Snake inclusion in the Summoning Network (if not already included), help setting up a 7th path chakra farm for Noburi to drain, and any information about Pain's ritual which may be pertinent to the Great Seal/3D sealing.
  • Offscreen:
    • Research ARS, following SOP (prep days, etc.)
I've very slightly updated my plan to include offscreen seal research.

Vote for my plan if you're uncomfortable with Orochimaru having all the Dragon parts at once without clearly-laid-out penalty clauses (my plan specifies that he only gets one at a time and if that one gets destroyed/damaged before we've talked about it then we get the remnants and he doesn't get any more) and if you want to try to negotiate for interesting lore.

I'm online for the next two hours (voting closes!) if folks have suggestions.
 
I'd just like to note that this is functionally equivalent to 'You can do these actions freely if you pay us this much more', and that the currency we cite is something of nigh-trivial value to him. This may be intentional in a 'I don't mind losing the dragon parts if we get that much Sealing XP in exchange' sense, but if it's meant to serve as deterrent I don't think it would really serve its job very well.
Questionable how many more such packets Oro has given the XP ratios of Jiraiya's entire sealing legacy, and Oro's packets. I guess it's possible that Oro notes just gives much more XP than Jiraiya's even if they have equivalent knowledge on the topic.

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I'm also worried that setting the price at 10 packets will give an upper bound in future negotiations with Oro on how much we can sell the parts for. "Oh, I know that you only valued the part at 10 packets. So why would I bother offering more?". Do we value selling the parts at roughly 2-3xnumber of parts compared to renting them?
 
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Questionable how many more such packets Oro has given the XP ratios of Jiraiya's entire sealing legacy, and Oro's packets. I guess it's possible that Oro notes just gives much more XP than Jiraiya's even if they have equivalent knowledge on the topic.

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I'm also worried that setting the price at 10 packets will give an upper bound in future negotiations with Oro on how much we can sell the parts for. "Oh, I know that you only valued the part at 10 packets. So why would I bother offering more?"
An additional 2000 Sealing XP takes us from 69 effective Sealing to 85. That's a huge fucking deal. Yeah I'd sell a scale for 2000 XP

EDIT: Adjusted numbers to correct for 200 XP per packet
 
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Y'all, the current deal is for Oro to get all of the parts at once. We will have no leverage to make him give them back if he has all of them at the same time. Please switch to a plan that does not accept the current terms of the deal, if you would like for us to keep the Dragon parts, it is my humble expectation that we will simply lose them otherwise
 
Don't feel bad for voting for what you want (assuming it isn't something ACTUALLY evil/fucked up). Other players shouldn't shame you for it either

That said, I would prefer if you didn't vote to accept the current terms....
Can edit the plan to specify doling the parts out one by one. My impression from the chapter was that it was up to us when to return the parts from the 7th path.
 
Y'all, the current deal is for Oro to get all of the parts at once. We will have no leverage to make him give them back if he has all of them at the same time. Please switch to a plan that does not accept the current terms of the deal, if you would like for us to keep the Dragon parts, it is my humble expectation that we will simply lose them otherwise
"Fine. Two weeks. I'll want the same for the rest of the items when you bring them back." He turned back to the box.
There's nothing in the current deal saying we have to bring those items back in the next two weeks or at the same time. We could trickle them out to make sure the Dragonbits are returned safely.
 
Can edit the plan to specify doling the parts out one by one. My impression from the chapter was that it was up to us when to return the parts from the 7th path.
Its generally a bad idea to edit plans substantially when its close to deadline.

You could toss a vote to other plans though!
 
"Call it a rental," he said. "They'll be at my lab for the next month. After that, you can call them back whenever and...give them to the hospital, or hang them on your wall, or whatever else you like."
Bit concerning that Oro's first thought was to negotiate a rental, not a sale. And that he didn't press on negotiating a sale after the rental is over. Is buying the parts not that much more valuable to Oro than a rental?
On the other hand, Oro researching dragons can help against the Great Seal threat. So even if we rent them for less than their value,

An additional 2000 Sealing XP takes us from 69 effective Sealing to 85. That's a huge fucking deal. Yeah I'd sell a scale for 2000 XP

EDIT: Adjusted numbers to correct for 200 XP per packet
How long does it take when FOOMing to get 2000XP?

Can edit the plan to specify doling the parts out one by one. My impression from the chapter was that it was up to us when to return the parts from the 7th path.
Nah, too close to the deadline. And some players might not want to make any modifications to Oro's proposal at all, for fear of frustrating him.
 
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