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Why would he bring such a shitstorm on himself when we're already giving him an easy way to access the parts?
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Eisenhelm
gran dutch of douchery
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this is unenforceable unless they are held in trust by a third party
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Any chance you could increase the rate of stuff Orochimaru gets? At least make it like 3-4 weeks, 3 items (IIRC there are like 7+ parts) or something like that.
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Given that the notes are of such trivial value to him and the reputational damage for welshing is nontrivial I don't think it's likely to be a factor.
IMO the 'we clearly don't trust you' tradeoff is worth it.
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We've laid out a path to increased parallelism. I trust Pilot to extend the duration if necessary to secure the 'one at a time' component.
This is also a substantial change that you're not saying would come with your vote.
How does this get him his Dragon parts? Our civvies die and....
This will get him kicked out of Leaf by an angry Tsunade
Eisenhelm
gran dutch of douchery
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point, but in the other hand, this is orochimaru we are talking about; he knows everyone believes him to be untrustworty, the only people who speak to him are the derenged and the ambitious, neither of whom are likely to be deterred of macking deals whit him if they have something they belive he wants by his untrustwortyness
The reputational damage of actually damaging the part would be comparable to not paying reparations. So if he does the first, I don't see why he would still pay reparations.
I don't care that much if the reparations are unenforcable though.
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I do not. I'm sorry, but I do not trust Hazou to navigate these waters.
We care more about our civilians than Dragon parts.
Eisenhelm
gran dutch of douchery
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- Colombia
i kinda do, he is been a good boy lately, character growth and all that
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Do we actually? Even setting aside the value we place on humans. If Oro is going to be kidnapping civilians anyway for experiments. Do we care that much more if they are Goketsu civilians?
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I mean he did foot in mouth the Oro negotiation. And only through luck in a positive way
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We can't actually guarantee that, probably you shouldn't promise it.
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- Yes.
I would hope so, given that they're under our protection specifically.
So we cave? And establish that precedent? I care enough about our civilians that I'm willing to say "Kill them, I don't care" that's probably the best way to stop the intentional targeting of Goketsu civvies.
It's dangerous for him to play that card. Killing civvies in Leaf is risky for ninja. They do it all the time, but the laws on the books are against them. And the intentional targeting of a Clan's civilians in order to coerce policy changes is a whole other deal. This is toeing the line that will get him Tsunade'd
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Different situation, but when Hidan took us to Bakuchioka we caved when Hidan called our bluff.
Emstar
The Shining One
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So like, pretty much this, right?
I understand that there are parts of the Hivemind that model Orochimaru as a terrible Intimidation spanning encounter generation machine, but like...
... we're basically going "Yeah, so I would be willing to give you what you just asked for if you could get me one of these several flavors of ice cream cone. One of which I definitely know you have, because you are the ice cream man."
Why would he not just be like, "Yeah okay, whatever"?
The difference is that Hidan would have absolutely killed the entire village and enjoyed every minute of it. Whereas Orochimaru cannot do the same to the Goketsu without getting Tsunade'd
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- Texas
If you can fit it, might be worth including that we offer the rarer/more valuable parts first. That way, Oro is less incentivized to, for example, steal the fang since he would lose access to everything else.
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- The Void
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I just wanna say how much I appreciate you posting these
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
Yeah no kidding it's *super* helpful.
If SV included a vote tally at the top of every post I'd find it a lot easier to participate and I'm a veteran.
Nitpicking. But it's technically not exclusive access if other parts can be investigated at the Tower. It's more dibs on parts
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edit2: in fact oro mentioned others previously approaching him for stuff. None of which we heard about when we searched info on him
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Also the public information on Oro is terrible. The main tidbit we found was Anko saying something along the lines of him being bad at socials if I remember right? So it's not like the public would know if Oro did break deals. The Nara however did know enough about Oro to form a contingency.
edit2: in fact oro mentioned others previously approaching him for stuff. None of which we heard about when we searched info on him
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- The state of Paranoia
I'm pretty sure he's negotiating in bad faith. He wants to keep them, knows that we have no power to get them back once they're in his basement, and decided the fastest way to get his hands on them would be to pretend it's a rental.
If we set conditions that will prevent him from just doing whatever he wants with the parts, he will likely become angry. No matter what, Orochimaru will be getting the parts, to keep. The best thing we can do is to wring out as much value from the deal as we can. Ideally by deciding to sell one/all of the parts or by getting payment for every X amount of time he's 'renting' them.