We should get started on the Biju seals asap before we do any traveling.
They are the closest thing we have to 2D versions of the GS as a containment seal.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
They are the closest thing we have to 2D versions of the GS as a containment seal.
- Location
- United States
I think the Heartbreaker could shut down Ami.
I think Ami knows this.
I think Ami is trying to turn Mari into the Heartbreaker.
It would permanently keep Kei away from Mari (while fashioning Mari into a truly vicious protector of Kei).
It would drive a wedge between Mari and us.
It wouldn't make Asuma want to kill her.
And most importantly of all, it would hurt Mari more than anything else possibly could.
I think I found Ami's endgame.
I think Ami knows this.
I think Ami is trying to turn Mari into the Heartbreaker.
It would permanently keep Kei away from Mari (while fashioning Mari into a truly vicious protector of Kei).
It would drive a wedge between Mari and us.
It wouldn't make Asuma want to kill her.
And most importantly of all, it would hurt Mari more than anything else possibly could.
I think I found Ami's endgame.
Was this addressed? This seems like something Hazou should look into or at least address as a sticking point for Ami.
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- USA
[X] Training Hazō: Chakra Scarcity
This is an obvious choice. Unless we expect something as low as ES50 to be enough to solve the GS problem, it's optimal to push for higher Resolve first.
This is an obvious choice. Unless we expect something as low as ES50 to be enough to solve the GS problem, it's optimal to push for higher Resolve first.
- Location
- United States
[χ] Action Plan: Turnabout is Fair Play
Ami, I've thought about what you said regarding the contract and I've come to the conclusion that you're right. The only way to guarantee a loved one's safety is to make the consequences of their death for everyone far worse than the consequences of their continued life. To that effect, I've placed a few contingencies into place.
If Mari dies before the age of fifty, everything I currently know about the Five will diseminated as far as possible. The connection between each village's thinker clans. The importance of the survival of at least one member of each bloodline. The connection to the Sage's companions. The fact that there are monsters out there so powerful that not even the Sage could kill them. That he had to seal them away and admit humanity's defeat. Everything I know, plus a few falsehoods that will encourage people to dig further.
This information will be diseminated whether or not I am incapacitated. In fact, I can not stop this process even I want to. I literally don't know everything that's going to happen. Some I made sure to never know. Some I made sure to be beyond my reach. And, from the note I left to myself, some I had Ino literally delete from my mind. I don't know what exactly is going to happen if Mari dies, but I do know that I left lots of redundancy that will result in this information being made public in every city and village in the Elemental Nations, as well as some key individuals that can't be surpressed.
You know I'm not bluffing. I'd never be able to fool you like that. I'm not sure what exactly you're trying to prevent by surpressing this knowledge, but I know that it's bad enough that you'll never let it happen. I'm not risking anything or endangering anyone because you're never going to challenge this. You wouldn't dare.
You were absolutely right. This is the only way to truly gaurentee a loved one's life. Thank you for the idea, Ami. I never would have thought of this without you.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to have everything about this wiped from my mind.
Remember, Ami. Fifty years and not a day sooner.
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- Fifth Dimension
Added something in the off-screen section. Unless you think it should be on screen? Just not sure if the Mari/Ami/Kei thing will be all 3 scenes or not.
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- United States
Also, meep?
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- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
They would say "What is this, a Raymond Smullyan puzzle?"
And then they would go sit in QM QUINOA until @Velorien and I can discuss it.
Nice! Go you and your badass plan-writing self.
In case it hasn't come up, note that we chose the Google Docs to be the standard word counter. (I'm not confident in the SV one since it counts tags.)
Note that you are not going to have time for seal research until you have done some time management. Check the freshly-rewritten chapter 483 for details.
The sergeant-equivalent that you'll be running with tells you the important parts: They are enemies of the Dogs but they have pulled back lately so there haven't been many encounters. This punishment patrol isn't so unnecessary that it can be ignored, but it's more intended to be boring and unpleasant than anything else.
He does? If you're referencing the passage I'm thinking of, Enma said that weird things had been happening and that it was plausible for there to be a Great Seal. The Condors then sent a scout out to Arachnid territory and saw it.
We didn't do a compromise. This is what we felt was the most realistic timeline based on all the previous events that were brought to our attention and the plan that the players voted in.
As @Velorien said, we are definitely not reading the same quest. "Better forgiveness than permission" is essentially Hazō's family motto...at every opportunity he has bulled ahead with what he wanted to do and not given a damn about any tradition, cultural norm, or authority figure that didn't have a big enough stick to be unignorable. Cannai might be an exception but it's still early days there.
Dunno. Let's vote:
[] (GS) Yes, tell the Leaf sealmasters about the cracks in the Great Seal
[] (GS) No, do NOT tell the Leaf sealmasters about the cracks in the Great Seal
[] (GS) Tell Asuma, then tell the Leaf sealmasters\
[] (GS) Write-in, but please use the (GS) topic.
(EDIT: Yeah, there's a \ typo on the third option. I'm leaving it rather than asking people to revote.)
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- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
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- He/Him
[X] (GS: Yes) Tell the Leaf sealmasters about the cracks in the Great Seal
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- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Sure. Added an explicit option for your preference and for the write-in.
@FaintlySorcerous , I changed the tag to simply (GS) to account for the new options. Could you please edit your vote? Thanks.
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- She/Her/They/Them
[X] (GS) Yes, tell the Leaf sealmasters about the cracks in the Great Seal
[X] (GS) Tell Asuma, then tell the Leaf sealmasters\
By the by, did we ever formally distinguish the terms sealsmith and sealmaster? My original assumption was that a sealsmith is someone who can make (a) seal(s), while a sealmaster has created one or more seals, or their expertise is widely acknowledged. However when re-reading, it did seem not to follow that rule I made up in my head. Are those fully interchangeable?
[X] (GS) Tell Asuma, then tell the Leaf sealmasters\
By the by, did we ever formally distinguish the terms sealsmith and sealmaster? My original assumption was that a sealsmith is someone who can make (a) seal(s), while a sealmaster has created one or more seals, or their expertise is widely acknowledged. However when re-reading, it did seem not to follow that rule I made up in my head. Are those fully interchangeable?
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Hey, new reader here (so please be mindful of spoilers, it'll be a while before I'm caught up). First comment is gonna be an essay. You can thank @_The_Bomb for this.
Overall, I'm leaning towards a mix of the memory amalgam and the Lovecraftian horror angle, because in my opinion, the two sentences of more mechanical language might just be the human mind's inability to fully contextualize the information they are handling through the bloodline ability. It seems to me that the Mori Clan has a massive data bank of memories that when accessed, can be used as a predictive algorithm. The downside, however, is that either the strain of all these human psyches and experiences coexisting caused them to disassociate as a whole, leading to the lack of humanity and the all encompassing apathy that the bloodline bearer feels, or there is a more malevolent entity lurking "deeper" in the Mori Clan's bloodline in this "Frozen Skein." Also, the term Frozen Skein gives me major R'Lyeh vibes. In case you couldn't tell, I'm a bit of a Lovecraft fan (his writing, not his personal beliefs lol)
Monty Python reference?
This seems to me like not true future sight, but an ability to draw upon the collective experience of her ancestors to predict the future using thousands of years of historical context. (although I don't know the scale of this world, so I don't really know if it's thousands of years)
There is something further past the collective consciousness of the Mori Clan, something that allows them to look into the past to predict the future. The further down you reach, the stronger your connection, and the clearer the vision.
This is the downside to the Mori Clan's bloodline. Reaching into the minds of others separates one from their own time and drives a wedge between the consciousness and humanity. Either that, or whatever lies in the "depths of the Frozen Skein" is trying to remove emotion and empathy from those with the Mori bloodline.
This is either the result of human experience being compiled and added together over time, or it is whatever "force" is granting the Mori Clan's abilities. We are directly seeing an influencing voice attempting to change the bearer of the Mori bloodline.
It seems that a protection from losing yourself in the depths of centuries of memories (or some eldritch horror trying to body-snatch you) is to ground yourself (because rocks, get it?) to the time period you exist in.
This is the method by which the Mori Clan can defend themselves. Despite being removed and apathetic from the time you inhabit, by remaining anchored to objects in the real world you can protect yourself from the influence of the Mori Voice.
This kind of throws a wrench into my working theory of a disembodied collective consciousness made of an amalgam of previously human psyches or a eldritch abomination because the language gets very mechanical and generally computer-y. Perhaps the "simulationist" aspect of this story is more literal than metaphorical and this bloodline is a look into the simulation; A means of interfacing directly. Or my next best theory, Mecha-Lovecraft.
Overall, I'm leaning towards a mix of the memory amalgam and the Lovecraftian horror angle, because in my opinion, the two sentences of more mechanical language might just be the human mind's inability to fully contextualize the information they are handling through the bloodline ability. It seems to me that the Mori Clan has a massive data bank of memories that when accessed, can be used as a predictive algorithm. The downside, however, is that either the strain of all these human psyches and experiences coexisting caused them to disassociate as a whole, leading to the lack of humanity and the all encompassing apathy that the bloodline bearer feels, or there is a more malevolent entity lurking "deeper" in the Mori Clan's bloodline in this "Frozen Skein." Also, the term Frozen Skein gives me major R'Lyeh vibes. In case you couldn't tell, I'm a bit of a Lovecraft fan (his writing, not his personal beliefs lol)
Time to take a rapid shift away from contemplating what horrors lurk in the depths of our subconsciousness, because what Hazo just said is super relatable. Yup. I too, aspire to one day wipe entire armies off the face of the earth, but not look like I'm trying *too* hard, you know?
Do the Uchihas exist in this world?
I didn't think of the implications!
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
The options got edited, so would you mind changing that vote to:
[] (GS) Yes, tell the Leaf sealmasters about the cracks in the Great Seal
Yeah, the words have been used interchangeably, which is a pity. We could have had sealsmith be the term for anyone who does sealing and sealmaster be for accomplished experts, or people who have created seals, or have been teachers...lots of potential, but didn't think of it.
Hey, new reader here (so please be mindful of spoilers, it'll be a while before I'm caught up). First comment is gonna be an essay. You can thank @_The_Bomb for this.
Overall, I'm leaning towards a mix of the memory amalgam and the Lovecraftian horror angle, because in my opinion, the two sentences of more mechanical language might just be the human mind's inability to fully contextualize the information they are handling through the bloodline ability. It seems to me that the Mori Clan has a massive data bank of memories that when accessed, can be used as a predictive algorithm. The downside, however, is that either the strain of all these human psyches and experiences coexisting caused them to disassociate as a whole, leading to the lack of humanity and the all encompassing apathy that the bloodline bearer feels, or there is a more malevolent entity lurking "deeper" in the Mori Clan's bloodline in this "Frozen Skein." Also, the term Frozen Skein gives me major R'Lyeh vibes. In case you couldn't tell, I'm a bit of a Lovecraft fan (his writing, not his personal beliefs lol)
Monty Python reference?
This seems to me like not true future sight, but an ability to draw upon the collective experience of her ancestors to predict the future using thousands of years of historical context. (although I don't know the scale of this world, so I don't really know if it's thousands of years)
There is something further past the collective consciousness of the Mori Clan, something that allows them to look into the past to predict the future. The further down you reach, the stronger your connection, and the clearer the vision.
This is the downside to the Mori Clan's bloodline. Reaching into the minds of others separates one from their own time and drives a wedge between the consciousness and humanity. Either that, or whatever lies in the "depths of the Frozen Skein" is trying to remove emotion and empathy from those with the Mori bloodline.
This is either the result of human experience being compiled and added together over time, or it is whatever "force" is granting the Mori Clan's abilities. We are directly seeing an influencing voice attempting to change the bearer of the Mori bloodline.
It seems that a protection from losing yourself in the depths of centuries of memories (or some eldritch horror trying to body-snatch you) is to ground yourself (because rocks, get it?) to the time period you exist in.
This is the method by which the Mori Clan can defend themselves. Despite being removed and apathetic from the time you inhabit, by remaining anchored to objects in the real world you can protect yourself from the influence of the Mori Voice.
This kind of throws a wrench into my working theory of a disembodied collective consciousness made of an amalgam of previously human psyches or a eldritch abomination because the language gets very mechanical and generally computer-y. Perhaps the "simulationist" aspect of this story is more literal than metaphorical and this bloodline is a look into the simulation; A means of interfacing directly. Or my next best theory, Mecha-Lovecraft.
Overall, I'm leaning towards a mix of the memory amalgam and the Lovecraftian horror angle, because in my opinion, the two sentences of more mechanical language might just be the human mind's inability to fully contextualize the information they are handling through the bloodline ability. It seems to me that the Mori Clan has a massive data bank of memories that when accessed, can be used as a predictive algorithm. The downside, however, is that either the strain of all these human psyches and experiences coexisting caused them to disassociate as a whole, leading to the lack of humanity and the all encompassing apathy that the bloodline bearer feels, or there is a more malevolent entity lurking "deeper" in the Mori Clan's bloodline in this "Frozen Skein." Also, the term Frozen Skein gives me major R'Lyeh vibes. In case you couldn't tell, I'm a bit of a Lovecraft fan (his writing, not his personal beliefs lol)
Time to take a rapid shift away from contemplating what horrors lurk in the depths of our subconsciousness, because what Hazo just said is super relatable. Yup. I too, aspire to one day wipe entire armies off the face of the earth, but not look like I'm trying *too* hard, you know?
I didn't think about the implications!
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
[X] (GS) Yes, tell the Leaf sealmasters about the cracks in the Great Seal
[X] (GS) Tell Asuma, then tell the Leaf sealmasters
I don't really know if there's any meaningful distinction between the two? I'm 100% full-disclosure policy on the Dragonwar because even if we're its focal point in Leaf everyone is equally invested in the outcome whether they like it or not. I am supporting both of the above options under the expectation that neither of them deviate from this policy - that is, I believe that 'Yes, tell the Leaf sealmasters about the cracks in the Great Seal' also involves us telling Asuma, just not explicitly before telling the sealmasters.
If I am wrong and either of these options will attempt to conceal relevant Dragonwar information from anyone, let me know so I can change my vote.
[X] (GS) Tell Asuma, then tell the Leaf sealmasters
I don't really know if there's any meaningful distinction between the two? I'm 100% full-disclosure policy on the Dragonwar because even if we're its focal point in Leaf everyone is equally invested in the outcome whether they like it or not. I am supporting both of the above options under the expectation that neither of them deviate from this policy - that is, I believe that 'Yes, tell the Leaf sealmasters about the cracks in the Great Seal' also involves us telling Asuma, just not explicitly before telling the sealmasters.
If I am wrong and either of these options will attempt to conceal relevant Dragonwar information from anyone, let me know so I can change my vote.
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- United States
Aaaaand I now know what to give Snowflake for her birthday!
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- Fifth Dimension
Got it, edited the plan.
- Pronouns
- They/Them
[X] (GS) Tell Asuma, then tell the Leaf sealmasters
Edited the plan how? What did we give up?
- Pronouns
- She/Her/They/Them
That does play well in the "sealing is dangerous and if you're alive after trying something it's very very good" theme, though. Silver linings
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- United States
Time to see what's going on!
Is Cannai not happy to see us? Odd. We haven't said anything yet?
Maybe this is supposed to imply that Cannai knew what was going on (he has senses sharp enough to see lightning travel through the sky at 750,000 mph) and was waiting for us to talk to him?
Ah, yeah. That's exactly what it is implying.
If you want to emphasize a word that is already italicized, bold it instead of unitalisizing.
"...It seems to me that Dog having a presence at the Conclave is useful to you since it would allow you to meet other Leaf summoners on the Seventh Path...
versus
"...It seems to me that Dog having a presence at the Conclave is useful to you since it would allow you to meet other Leaf summoners on the Seventh Path..."
Ok, I love Cannai.
Hazō is literally acting like a puppy. Cannai must know this.
(Also, why is Hazō so excited? Zoo Rush hasn't happened yet.)
This is a really good line, BirdLord. It's quite clear how Hazō could misunderstand it. I would misunderstand it if I heard it. It's perfectly reasonable to asume tha----
Hey wait a minute.
You're giving Hazō too much justification here. It's entirely reasonable (for a human) to assume that Cannai would be fine sending someone who was willing to go. Thus, Cannai is going to make a really big deal out of a cultural misunderstanding.
That was an absolutely hilarious scene. I really emphasized with Akane, finding it funny and watching everyone else get offended.
CANNAI: "Why exactly did your family have such an extreme reaction to your comment?"
HAZŌ: "Oh, right! That's because I was once almost executed for conducting international diplomacy with terrorists behind my Alpha's back."
CANNAI: "wat"
Wow did Hazō really say this whole thing line-by-line? Damn. That would be hilarious.
Also, yeah, Cannai knew.
To be fair, you'd have to be stupid to be malicious to Cannai considering the power disparity between them and how good of a relationship they had.
Uh........
Every dog? Including those on different Paths? Does he know anything about the origins of the Inuzuka? I want to ask him about this but I also want to never bring this up again.
Hey! Our average age is, like, 25!
holy shit
Ouch. You know that this wasn't intentional. We weren't trying to circumvent your authority and we certainly weren't thinking we knew better than you. No need to bring up our failure into this; we weren't ready to take over after our dad suddenly died.
Bosses are scary.
Oh thank god. Plus one for being so stupid that our boss is confused enough by why on earth we would do this that they don't immideately kill us. I wonder if we will eventually get a scene long in the future where we summon Cannai to the Human Path. I can seem Cannai and Asuma chatting about this very thing and how close they were to killing us because we didn't realize that we were commiting treason.
@eaglejarl how much fun would this scene be to write?
Can we take lessons from one of the hundreds of thousands of dogs? There's got to be at least one cultural attache or lorekeeper or puppy-wrangler that has experince teaching cultural norms. I'd like it if Hazōpilot, at the very least, knew some of the cultural taboos that might come up. (Though I would also love it if the thread gets to see the full deal, I recognize it's going to be a lot of work to write and come up with all this stuff. If it's a Hazopilot thing, however, you can just get an advanced warning if we're running into something problematic.)
It's a real shame we don't get any better at running from IC activites. Cannai was driving us hard even before making this be literal punishment. I was genuinely wondering if there was a way to have this be reflected narratively (or perhaps even mechanically) once Hazō had been doing it for long enough.
"Hazō's physical consequences shall now take another week to heal."
I think we should talk to Asuma about letting Noburi help us with teach Kagome when he isn't on mission. I doubt Asuma will care.
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- Temporally? Now.
I would like to reframe much of the discussion around this from 'saving Mari' to 'saving Ami'. If we fail to deescalate this situation, and thus truly believe that Ami will actually try to destroy Mari, I'm voting to save Mari and destroy Ami first. Assuming that Asuma doesn't destroy Ami first.
That needs to be the MfD general solution to problems. From interpersonal to geopolitical: make a polycule, call it a day and go home.
I agree that bringing it up to Ami is pointless, but brining it up to Kei might be useful.
A possible solution is to note that Ami is being just like all of the other super powered nut jobs that put their egos and personal irrationalities above being reasonable, making everyone else deal with their nonsense or be destroyed. Is that really what Ami wants to be, just another egotistical nut job that hurts people because they can?
I agree with a lot of what you said, but I think Ami would not accept the argument that she can't be put on Mari's level for caring about Kei. She would likely not-accept-it with grace and understanding, keeping a level head and moving the discourse in a positive direction.
Needs a space, as word count matters.
I think Ami finds the first to be entirely acceptable, and Ami has already stated that she doesn't find the second to be true (or she's just telling herself and us that it isn't true).
This sentence is missing a .
Possibly add that it incentivises her current allise to abandon her.
[x] (GS) Tell Asuma, then tell the Leaf sealmasters\
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- United States
Yeah that's what I meant, even if he hasn't gone to check it out in person yet like he said he would (C'mon man, it's been months since the condor scout verrified it), he still can confirm that it's been verified by a subordinate of another boss in addition to being verified by the subordinate of his summoner. All in all, it's enough evidence that he's willing to personally go and check it out.
I strongly disagree
he isn't even thinking about getting forgiveness
[X] (GS) Tell Asuma, then tell the Leaf sealmasters\
I think it might be smart to tell Asuma first, if for no other reason than so that he doesn't hear about the terrifying development from anyone else. We also want him there when we break it to the Sealmasters, so we should really tell him in advance. (Also this gives him the option of classifying it, which I doubt he'll do but I think he'll appreciate)
They're pretty similar, but I think telling Asuma first is better because it adds more weight to what's going on.