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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Lampshade said:
. . . . Could Mari Snowflake herself with SC and TLitF?
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I don't think so...? Mari used TLitF on Cannibal Naruto and Naruto Prime's personality remained the same as before. But different personalities could come to the forefront in the bodies of different SCs, making it effectively similar to Snowflake?
 
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The me that self-inserts into the protagonist of the story I'm reading is confused and upset about recent events that I/he shouldn't have any way of knowing about. (Mari was the P.O.V. character this time but Hazo remains the protagonist)

I'd like to ask Mari to erase my memory, but both she and I don't actually exist. Probably.
 
I wonder if Ami considers us a plurality like her or not. Because Hazou is made up of a bunch of distinct personalities too, except the piloting system is different and worse. Instead of switching to whoever is best, Hazou has 20+ people arguing over what is the best course of action for days of subjective time until they throw together 300~ words of instructions to pilot his sad meat-puppet shell for a usually a day at a time.

So we're like a crippled, mentally damaged plurality that wanders through life like a drunk toddler on crutches. No wonder Ami keeps messing with us, it must be incredibly entertaining to watch us stumble around.

Huh, the plan is whichever personality is in charge. Mari's persona's do take feedback from the others, and different personalities can bully others.

Now im thinking of what each player would be called as a Hazou. Mad Scientist Hazou, Archive Hazou, Angry Hazou... I'd be Lurker Hazou -- content to watch stuff happen without saying much usually
 
Pharos said:
I wonder if Ami considers us a plurality like her or not. Because Hazou is made up of a bunch of distinct personalities too, except the piloting system is different and worse. Instead of switching to whoever is best, Hazou has 20+ people arguing over what is the best course of action for days of subjective time until they throw together 300~ words of instructions to pilot his sad meat-puppet shell for a usually a day at a time.

So we're like a crippled, mentally damaged plurality that wanders through life like a drunk toddler on crutches. No wonder Ami keeps messing with us, it must be incredibly entertaining to watch us stumble around.

Huh, the plan is whichever personality is in charge. Mari's persona's do take feedback from the others, and different personalities can bully others.

Now im thinking of what each player would be called as a Hazou. Mad Scientist Hazou, Archive Hazou, Angry Hazou... I'd be Lurker Hazou -- content to watch stuff happen without saying much usually
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Remember the fourth wall, there is at present no strong evidence of Hazou being a hivemind IC. The closet we ever got to anything like that was in the ex-canon chapter Unsuited For The Task, where Ino mind-dived us and said we were an Abberant Personality Manifold, which is an uncommon but not unknown condition in which the person has multiple inner voices instead of just one. This is a clear reference to the hivemind but does not imply distinct personalities, in fact the lack of observation of such in the chapter suggests the Abberant Personality Manifold is as far as the reference goes.

(to reiterate, this chapter is ex-canon. The sum total that can be drawn from it is that it was once, at that point in the quest, considered by one of the QMs to be reasonable and simulationist-compliant. There is no guarantee they would make the same choice if similar circumstances appeared again, and they cannot be held to what was written in that chapter, but it's still valid information on what's plausible and what's implausible)

Also notably, despite reading much of the story through Hazou's own thoughts, we largely see a singular unified perspective. Even when plans of disparate demeanors get passed in sequence, they are put through a Hazou-filter so that the end actions appear to reflect a relatively self-consistent characterization.

(If you were to ask Hazou, he would probably say that apart from 'the thing' he is a fairly normal mind, but there's an argument to be made that you can be abnormal and just not notice it, as evidenced by how many people only find out they have aphantasia (unable to create mental images) after they become full-fledged adults and see someone talk about it. This would adequately cover phenomena like Abberant Personality Manifolds, with Hazou not realizing that it's not how everyone else thinks, but I think it would be less adequate to disguise the noticeability of multiple fully disparate consciousnesses. I think if Hazou was a hivemind IC rather than just being guided by one beyond the fourth wall, he would know.)

In summation, while it is true that the OOC answer is that Hazou's actions are guided by a questful of people tugging in slightly different directions, it is not very likely that Hazou's IC mind is structured in the same way. There may be similarities, such as the Abberant Personality Manifold if the QMs decide to recanonize that trivia, but unless strong evidence in favour of the IC hivemind theory emerges the most probable situation is that he is the same single internal perspective we see in his on-screen thoughts.
 
Noumero said:
Candidates and places to look:
  • The bijuu seals.
  • Akatsuki's seal array.
  • Bear.
  • The Five Clans' archives.
  • The Slugs' territory.
  • Moon, per Kagome.
I vote we do the bijuu seals immediately after getting rid of our latest batch of Severes.
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* bijuu seals are definitely placed by man, bijuu containers are not born with them. Probably not qualify as a Sage's seal
* could be anything, but I doubt they used Sage's seal. All we know about sealing suggests that once made a seal is only going to do what it was made for. I doubt Sage included whatever Akatsuki we're up to in his seal's functions. I'd wager Akatsuki's array was self-made
* maybe
* maybe
* why? Because slugs are as isolated as Spider? Other reasons?
* maybe
 
Kiba said:
Bijuu seal are probably safe, probably.
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Probably, yes, since human sealmasters are capable of fully understanding and replicating them without ill effects. Nevertheless, one can hope they have some screwy interaction with the Iron Nerve.
TarzanNn said:
* bijuu seals are definitely placed by man, bijuu containers are not born with them. Probably not qualify as a Sage's seal
* could be anything, but I doubt they used Sage's seal. All we know about sealing suggests that once made a seal is only going to do what it was made for. I doubt Sage included whatever Akatsuki we're up to in his seal's functions. I'd wager Akatsuki's array was self-made
* maybe
* maybe
* why? Because slugs are as isolated as Spider? Other reasons?
* maybe
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Bijuu seals: See above. Also, that humans can replicate them doesn't mean they weren't originally designed (generated?) by the Sage. Wasn't he the one who came up with the jinchuuriki system?

Akatsuki: What makes you so sure? If, e. g., the Sage had a seal that created a direct channel to ChakrAI, they might've been using it.

Slugs:
eaglejarl said:
The Slugs barely have any territory but it seems like that's been the case since the creation of the Seventh Path and neither they nor anyone else is interested in changing that. I'm not clear on whether there have been no assaults on Slug territory or merely no successful assaults; Enma gets evasive when I ask him, and I'm not sure if it's because he doesn't know or because it's embarrassing. No one else is talking either.
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Maybe they're sitting on another imprisoned horror.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
In summation, while it is true that the OOC answer is that Hazou's actions are guided by a questful of people tugging in slightly different directions, it is not very likely that Hazou's IC mind is structured in the same way. There may be similarities, such as the Abberant Personality Manifold if the QMs decide to recanonize that trivia, but unless strong evidence in favour of the IC hivemind theory emerges the most probable situation is that he is the same single internal perspective we see in his on-screen thought
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Slight disagreement with this. In the time period where we believed that we where a singlet had what felt like an internally consistent monologue. The distinct shards had just not managed to form themselves into fully viable personalities. Though they would exert there influence on the system nonetheless.

While largest probability state is that Hazou is a singlet. This is simply because most people are. His internal monologue is not strong evidence either way
 
roobee said:
Huh, what if we ask Naruto's bijuu if it has any advice on the Great Seal?
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HAZŌ: Wow, I've never met a bijū before. So about the Great Seal...

KURAMA: [nom]

NARUTO: Oh, no. What a tragic accident that I could never have predicted and cannot be held responsible for.

ASUMA: If only I hadn't given him permission immediately after he finished replicating the Great Seal and writing down everything he knows about it on my orders.
 
So, when Kagome gets those dimensional seal detection, we should collect data on every seal and ask all the sealmasters to do the same for every Konoha-wide available seal, plus clan seal if they are comfortable.
 
Kiba said:
So, when Kagome gets those dimensional seal detection, we should collect data on every seal and ask all the sealmasters to do the same for every Konoha-wide available seal, plus clan seal if they are comfortable.
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This is another project that will be great to delegate. Just tell Kagome's students to take care of it.
 
Did the Great Seal start unravelling because of the Akatsuki Ritual? Do we know what happened to Bijuus 1-7?
 
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