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[X] Do not make Lailoken Supreme Dictator of the Hivemind
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
I am amenable to continuing 'what does Mari think about xyz options?' with 'Go with Mari's recommendation, modulo Hazoupilot', though I also would not object to keeping control in our hands if we feel that Hazoupilot+Mari's recommendation might not give the result we want.
[X] Do not make Lailoken Supreme Dictator of the Hivemind
He can have Earth or something instead.
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Okay, would you and Faflec suggest edits that are acceptable to both of you?
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Speaking personally, it looks pretty solid as-is. What I would add is actually something along the lines of 'if we go destructive, make sure we aren't leaving civilians destitute'. It's much more platable to my Uplift-ometer if we leave a bag of ryo behind when we burn the crops, such that we aren't making civilians starve from a failed harvest.
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Mine is basically "Add more detail to your suggestions, present them first and go with whatever Mari likes most, while keeping in Uplift or etc.".
You mean bags of ryo of identifiable origins that can be traced right back to us.
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That's inevitable when we end up the only people who can sell chocolate in the Land of Fire
Okay, I feel like I already had some of that but I moved the order around and added a bit. Tell me if you have any other hangups about it
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
Something more anonymous if necessary. Core point is something the farmers can use to make it through the winter.
- Are we planning to use Candoru to scout first? Or is it in concurrent with other summons? Order of operation is important.
- Why is Gaku involved? This is a ninja operation.
- Pay the old team's dinner at an unspecified restaurant? This doesn't promote our restaurant, and sowing animosity among the old and new.
- Seal research? You do realize we have to dedicate some days to research and some days to other stuff. How is it divided?
- Why are you splitting the glassworkers among three distinct projects? Why only research facilities? Better wording might be "give them what they need for research". This includes everything from research materials to buildings.
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- The Void
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- She/Her
I strongly suggest cutting the misc section. The plan has us out of village so none of it can get done
My gosh these are actually on the vote tally. Where did the jk's go?
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
What jks?My gosh these are actually on the vote tally. Where did the jk's go?
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Then how would the chocolate part get done? It necessarily would take place over the course of a few days, I don't see why orchestrating that stuff can't happen when we're back or even before we leave.
I'll go over this stuff soon.
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When I make joke plans, I label them "[jk]" so they don't mess with voting tallies and people can copy/paste without the chance of a Youthsuit incident. EJ replied favorably to it once.
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Because all of the other things besides the sky slider stuff will take lots of days. The chocolate stuff is a hour long conversation
redzonejoe
Vaguely Pastafarian
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- Canada
So we're marrying Ami now right? That's how we get her into leaf with a minimum of political drama and ensure her goals are compatible with ours?
Sorry I skipped a couple pages of comments but I'm pretty sure marrying Ami has been a thing pretty much since she was first introduced and never really went away. As time passes, the possibility only ever seems to grow more likely. Just let it happen. It was meant to be. The QMs ship it! (Probably idk I'm not them but I do)
Sorry I skipped a couple pages of comments but I'm pretty sure marrying Ami has been a thing pretty much since she was first introduced and never really went away. As time passes, the possibility only ever seems to grow more likely. Just let it happen. It was meant to be. The QMs ship it! (Probably idk I'm not them but I do)
No, let's not. I think we're probably sibling maybe kindof sort of??? and therefore cannot marry???? can't actually remember another situation quite like this, but we might actually be siblings maybe.
And no.
Ami's political goals are ami's and are not going to be chainged by mairrage. Either she already is on board with the eventual goals, or she won't be. Do you think we will convince her?
As for marriage doing it, that is somewhat disgusting and also basically the opposite of her entire characterisation to date.
As for shipping it, I don't but I can see where you're coming from. But while it might be a good political cover for getting her into Leaf (but one which has some enormous holes in it, maybe: Can you marry into clans from other villages easily? Is it something people have done yet?) it isn't one for actual alignment.
Also, I don't believe she's actually interested, but that's just my read: I can see where you might come from.
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So, here's the rundown on the whole 'marry Ami' topic, to the best of my understanding:
- She pretended to accept a marriage proposal from us as a joke.[1]
- She made use of that faux-proposal to keep Hazou off-balance in their meetings in Mist, as she is wont to do.
- [1] Upon being pressed on the marriage issue, Ami admitted that she has gone to great lengths to avoid an arranged marriage from the Mori, and will continue to take efforts to maintain her marital autonomy.
- It is very unlikely that she was instantly smitten with us, enough to actually desire marriage with us, or that she saw an opportunity strong enough to persuade her, so what's left is that the acceptance of the nonexistant marriage proposal was a joke.
- After that the topic mostly went away, though Ami still references it and talks about dates because it flusters us as she is wont to do.
The memes can be ignored as just another funny thing of no particular consequence, and the prospect of actual marriage with Ami has, among other problems, the key prerequisite of why Ami would want it in the first place. Perhaps she and Hazou eventually grow close and organically wind up wanting to get married. That sort of scenario is unreliable at best. Perhaps she wants to do it to advance her goals, such as to solidify a powerbase or justify skipping villages, which mean enough to her that she'd be willing to sacrifice her marital autonomy.
In light of the recent chapter, there now appears to actually be a non-negligible potential that Ami would find it in the interests of her goals to seek out Hazou's hand in marriage. Ami's desires are only the first roadblock, though Ami being Ami it's also probably the largest roadblock. You could imagine, for instance, Ami arranging the political situation just so, and then calling in the 'I own you' favor she extracted when she saved us from killbox (she'd along the way convince Hazou that his actions with the Wakahisa don't quite cancel that out), and then toss in some social-fu to convince Hazou it isn't a bad arrangement.
What's key to remember is that while what I outlined is possible, it's only one way things could go. It's not out of the realm of possibility anymore, but I still wouldn't say it's particularly likely. For instance, if you were to suppose Ami wanted to defect to Leaf, it's possible that she tries to marry into some other clan (the Uzumaki, perhaps?) or takes a wholly different strategy to accomplish her goal. Similar thoughts apply to the other situations in which Ami might possibly decide she wants to marry Hazou as an instrumental goal.
As for the QMs shipping it, they seem to be baffled that this whole thing with Ami happened in the first place, and are probably equal measures curious and apprehensive about the idea of Hazou and Ami formally joining forces like that. They also would in no way support Ami trying to marry Hazou before he turns 18, due to recent factors.
As for you shipping it... go for it! You aren't the first, won't be the last, but just remember that Ami is actually incredibly divisive as a character, with some players loving her and others hating her. I'm personally not an Amizou shipper, but I do like Ami and generally want to increase her involvement in the story (and would not be averse to hitching a ride on the Ami train to world domination).
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Only in the same way that Akane would be Hazou's sister. And even then, only if you squint and tilt your head.
Hazou is not biologically related to Keiko, and Ami is Keiko's biological sister. Hazou and Keiko have a sibling social dynamic and are legally considered siblings, but only because they were both adopted into the same clan.
Ami is not a member of the Goketsu and, therefore, is not legally Hazou's sister, even though she is Keiko's biological sister.
Of course, whether or not Ami is still Keiko's legal sister is up for debate --Keiko was thrown out of the Mori clan, exiled by Mist, and was naturalized into a foreign nation and adopted into a foreign clan.
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The water is muddy and we're a clan head, so the short answer is we probably get to choose whether or not that counts.
Sorry for getting into arguments this way, but Hazou actually considers Akane his sister (as recently as CH350, he explicitly states that Akane is his sister). He does seem to be against the idea of considering Mori his sibling, on rereading, so points to you there (although it is kind of in the air). I still stand by that marriage does not align Mori with us any more, though.
Unaligned Player
Agony that desires to meet Extinction
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- Shrug
Ami is in the position of kiss/kill for us.
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- Book Fort
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You're fine, lol. Personally, I'm going to change my mental image of Hazou's feelings towards Akane as "complicated" and leave it at that.
It's actually pretty interesting to see our own confusion and conflict about Ami reflected in Hazou. The QMs have done a pretty good job of depicting our collective distrust, amusement, conflicted loyalty (by way of Keiko), paranoia, and concern surrounding Ami through Hazou in such a way that seems realistic and deep.
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