We absolutely sent that letter. No use including it.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
- Start date
-
- Tags
- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
We absolutely sent that letter. No use including it.
- Location
- UK
- Pronouns
- He/Him
As Jiraiya said, Leaf doesn't send people on suicide missions. If you ask around, you won't find a single Leaf ninja who's been on one.
- Location
- Europe
I only remember him saying:
Consensual suicide missions are of course ok.
Tua
鸡肉面条汤
- Location
- شوربة الدجاج المعكرونة
The joke was that everyone who went on a suicide died so you wouldn't be able to ask them.
At least for now.
Time for battle analysis!
A sniper weapon system woulda done a lot of good here. Or a bazooka. I am not quite sure a ninja would be able to dodge bullets, but it would help a lot. Ideally, they would have a range that beats the chakra diffusion problem. I am sure we can work around this problem.
Note that it need not replicate the mechanism of real life weapons, only its capabilities.
Rooms for improvement here. She can only summoned two big beefy body guards with no aerial capabilities.
Note that our enemies have the high ground. Our kunai have to fight gravity going up. Would be great if our kunais explodes into tiny little pieces for more effective anti-air rounds.
Good news. Skywalkers have extreme maneuverability. Bad news, skywalkers are no match for speed. Can turn on a dime and drop like a load of bricks, but can't climb worth a damn. It's important to prioritize the development of aerial superiority fighters after the development of skyslider. Or maybe also rocketeers.
Our enemies are not entirely used to fighting while mounted. Chakra adhesion is not good enough. You'll need restraint.
Traveling faster than light enable time travel. Time travel is OP. Keiko probably only remember it due to her bloodline. I wonder if we can get the spacetime jutsu from the condor.
Naruto needs a ranged version of Rasengan.
A sniper weapon system woulda done a lot of good here. Or a bazooka. I am not quite sure a ninja would be able to dodge bullets, but it would help a lot. Ideally, they would have a range that beats the chakra diffusion problem. I am sure we can work around this problem.
Note that it need not replicate the mechanism of real life weapons, only its capabilities.
Rooms for improvement here. She can only summoned two big beefy body guards with no aerial capabilities.
Note that our enemies have the high ground. Our kunai have to fight gravity going up. Would be great if our kunais explodes into tiny little pieces for more effective anti-air rounds.
Good news. Skywalkers have extreme maneuverability. Bad news, skywalkers are no match for speed. Can turn on a dime and drop like a load of bricks, but can't climb worth a damn. It's important to prioritize the development of aerial superiority fighters after the development of skyslider. Or maybe also rocketeers.
Our enemies are not entirely used to fighting while mounted. Chakra adhesion is not good enough. You'll need restraint.
Traveling faster than light enable time travel. Time travel is OP. Keiko probably only remember it due to her bloodline. I wonder if we can get the spacetime jutsu from the condor.
Naruto needs a ranged version of Rasengan.
Last edited:
- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I mean, if you have a chuunin/jonin who's suicidal, then in a world like MfD (where there's also no therapy), the best thing that you can offer them is an honorable way to die that serves the Leaf's best interests and their own, personal Will of Fire.
Though, considering Kakashi's abundant losses, I wonder if he ever requested to be sent on one. I mean, obviously he survived. But I wonder if that's partly how Kakashi got his fame. He ran a few suicide missions with the full intent of dying, but didn't, and each wildly stupid success gave him more copied techniques. Then Naruto had his Shadow Clone Incident, and Kakashi felt duty-bound to remain alive to ensure the wellbeing of his... little brother? Younger cousin? However the mentor's student-mentor's apprentice dynamic would work out. Of course, I don't expect this to matter in any real way whatsoever. The character is dead, along with 75% of the people he interacted with. I just like to idly wonder about things like this, especially when it has no "real" impact on the story as a whole. Fluff and flavor text are interesting to me.
Edit: Can I just say how awesome it is that Leaf doesn't force suicide missions? I know that, morality-wise, it's a low bar, but look at Mist and the wider MfD world. Leaf, as imperfect as is it, is pretty damned close to what the Shodaime envisioned when he build Leaf. And considering the chaos that the Warring Clan Era is said to be, not to mention the blood spilled to get here, that's a pretty damned remarkable achievement.
Well. I mean. We have spent the past few weeks in-story learning about aerodynamics. We could gift him a copy of our findings, deductions, and best guesses. That, combined with his shadow clones, he could probably create a ranged, wind-specific Rasengan. I'm not sure what his INT stat is, but there's something to be said for the sheer amount of trial and error available to him through unending Shadow Clones.
We could offer it as an olive branch. A sort of "hey, we heard that you needed more ranged options at your disposal. And everyone in Leaf knows that the Yondaime wasn't finished tinkering with the Rasengan. So... here's a chunk of data that we've accumulated and if you need some Goketsu resources --even if it's just some brainstorming time with me --just say the word. You're a good man, Naruto, and we're brothers. That... well. That means something, you know. So here, take this, and try not to blow yourself up while tinkering, yeah?"
Edit: Actually, I like that idea. I'm going to add it to my Long Term Goals
Last edited:
- Location
- America
It wouldn't for the sake of pushing our own agenda, it'd be for the sake of survival. Haru isn't being killed because it furthers Hazo's goals, but because it'd be the only way for Hazo to live once they returned to Leaf.
Anyways, I predict Naruto is going to hate us even more than before, so nothing will really change there. And we'll have to thank Ami and Shikamaru. It really depends on how much political capital Amy spent to save us. Saving us from execution might fall under maximizing our political influence?
- Location
- London
- Pronouns
- He/Him/They/Them
A ranged rasengan. Like a rasengan that you can throw. Like some kind of... rasenkunai.
- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Yeah, I think we need to spend time with Naruto and Ino, explaining in detail just what living in Mist was like. And how we were terrified that Leaf, a damned utopia in comparison. How we were scared for Leaf, for the home that we've come to love. It wasn't right and we know that... but at the time, we didn't feel like there was any other choice. Now we realize that doing what we did goes in direct opposition to what Leaf is all about --mutual cooperation in good faith for the betterment of our neighbors. It's an ideal that we're unaccustomed to living under, but... it's an ideal that we'd like to get used to.
Mist doesn't do mandatory suicide missions either.
One thing to think about is what relationship we want with Haru.
The typical clan head clan member relationship? That'll be the easiest way to control him but doesn't jibe with Hazou's vibe.
Friendship relationship? Opposite of the above.
Last edited:
- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Good point, edited it out.
So we should probably explain to Naruto and Ino that we're not actually traitors who are too politically important to kill. If not for the sake of Hazou's friendships, then because Ino and Naruto are politically important. Added a preliminary explanation. What do you think? I'll cut down some of the wording later on.
Can we put off solving political problems for one day?
- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
...Fair point, actually. This was supposed to be a laid back update... hang on, I'll remove it from the plan and save the snippet for a future plan
- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Unless anyone has any specific input, I'll probably leave this plan as-is. I'm adding too much and overthinking things on my own, I fear.
It's also exactly what Hazou would actually do/believe. It would be seriously out of character for Hazou to hate Haru for this, and I don't think that lying about it would improve the situation.
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
Moreover, Hazou IC has no reason to believe that it even is a fiction. All he has for evidence is his own memories (which have already been established to be potentially compromised) and the way that it sort of felt like the kind of thing he would do in that situation (which could just be post-facto justification). His friends and family and the Pangolins all insist it never happened, and Team Uplift might have covered it up but aren't the Pangolins big on honor and stuff?
If I were Hazou I would be aware that it could be a fiction, possibly, but I'd have no evidence to support it, and the evidence would probably lean towards him actually having been genjutsu'd by Itachi. So give it some time for the idea to sink in and, were I Hazou, I'd start believing it myself.
But wut about Cloud and that shark guy?
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
Naturally, if he never sent a message to Itachi, he never sent any messages to Kisame or Grandmaster F. Unless one of them responds, Hazou's memory of sending those messages is clearly irrelevant.
Now, if the Pangolins have already given their word on not having sent those messages, odds are if there's any response they'll never reach Hazou, so we likely won't see any evidence coming in from the Seventh Path. The only way these other messages Hazou remembers sending would become evidence of the treason being real is if Hazou meets Kisame or F in person and they mention the letter (and even then Kisame could just be in on the act at Itachi's request)
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
The Pangolins have already confirmed that we haven't sent any messages through them on the 7P.
Thus, any evidence to the contrary --messages to this effect from third parties such as Akatsuki or Cloud-- is clearly a trap to bait Asuma into executing us. A clever ploy, but surely an obvious one.
*nods sagely*
They won't trick us again, that's for sure.
Thus, any evidence to the contrary --messages to this effect from third parties such as Akatsuki or Cloud-- is clearly a trap to bait Asuma into executing us. A clever ploy, but surely an obvious one.
*nods sagely*
They won't trick us again, that's for sure.
Tua
鸡肉面条汤
- Location
- شوربة الدجاج المعكرونة
The summoner, born to a family of civilians, was forced to witness the injustice of the world the first time when her village was burned down by foreign ninja. As the sole survivor she managed to survive in the woods for a while, helping out the poor and helpless - a reminder of her past self - once she awakened her own ninja powers.
At one point, she stumbled upon the Condor Summing Scroll. Which was a huge windfall for her because she trouble connecting to people ever since, and hence didn't have many friends on the Human Path. So she spent a lot time with the condors in their realm. They trained her, taught her the values of freedom and cooperation as only beings that can fly and hunt in a pack could do.
Encouraged by this, she set off to improve the world of humans to make it a better place for everyone. Things were looking up, until the fateful day her personal summons stopped answering her. It was only then that she found out that they had been hunted down by the warmongering and vicious Pangolin of the Summoning realm.
With most of her fire power taken away, the quest to achieve world peace had to be put on hold. Still, with Conjura still around, it would still have been doable once they recovered their strength. And she wasn't one to give in to despair.
Until the amalgamation of all evil within Mist and Leaf caught up to her in the form of the cold, emotionless sisters and the Evil Fox Spirit in human form.
Last edited:
- Location
- Europe
That's just propaganda, the Condor clan has become so arrogant that they refered to the ground-bound clans as 'ants', as if being compared to the soulless clan punished by the Pantokrator himself wasn't an insult.
Also the Condor summoner is from a country that calls itself Bird! Arrogant!
Only selfish evil people would do this. She was a monster and now the world is better.
(Don't call me a Pangolin shill guys,
Sounds really implausible. Condor summoner was probably a bog standard S-ranker or jounin.
- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
That's just the "official" story. Like how Dazou was one of the few ninja fortunate enough to die from old age in his sleep.