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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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faflec said:
It's no less amoral than making preparations to continue the cycle of enslaving what are in all likelihood sentient beings for power.
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I did not choose Keiko's mission of pursuing the Condor. In fact, I would prefer Keiko to never go at all, never face the condor summoner in battle. Also, what Keiko did was brave. I am glad she did what she did. She's a better person than I was ever a naked mole rat, even though it costed us in my opinion survivability.

Regardless, we're still planning to perpetuate an endless cycle of violence surrounded by violence instead of pursuing the Doggo scroll.
 
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Kiba said:
I did not choose Keiko's mission of pursuing the Condor. In fact, I would prefer Keiko to never go at all, never face the condor summoner battle. Also, what Keiko did was brave. I am glad she did what she did. She's a better person than I was ever a naked mole rat.

Regardless, we're still planning to perpetuate an endless cycle of violence surrounded by violence instead of pursuing the Doggo scroll.
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I'm talking about the bijuu.
 
Oneiros said:
Leaf powerups: Discuss with clan first.
  • Approach Asuma about acquiring summoning scrolls for Leaf.
    • Start by discussing decoding Jiraiya's spy network and the opportunites Leaf gains from better intelligence, like finding Summoning Scrolls. Are there regions he'd like us to focus on?
    • Do the Monkeys have any actionable information?
    • Any word on the capybara scroll?
  • Ask Kagome about the bijuu. What do Jiraiya's notes or Leaf's experts say?
    • Also look into any notes Leaf has on them.
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Here's my proposal Oneiros, if you are here; feel free to ignore it. It's 298 words.
 
@faflec does this work for you?
Oneiros said:
to clan about approaching Asuma about acquiring summoning scrolls for Leaf.
  • What part of J's spy network would be most helpful to re-establish to benefit leaf
    • We heard that the capybara scroll might be around sound. Grabbing it would really empower leaf
  • Does he have any information from the monkeys that might help?
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Adhoc vote count started by eaglejarl on Jan 11, 2020 at 12:57 AM, finished with 149 posts and 14 votes.
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Inb4 "Oh no vote for the other plan that says Dont Do Thing."
eaglejarl from discord said:
@everyone There's a lot of criticism of Oneiros for 'sneaking in' the scene about talking to Asuma about the summoning scroll. She wasn't trying to sneak one by; that was a thing I suggested she do.
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On the subject of this plan:

I believe that asking our CO for intel about valuable targets is a reasonable thing to do, when we may be uniquely placed to capitalize or expand on said intel.

If this was Hiashi "I am unreasonable" Hyuuga, this would probably be met with a "Nah, and go fuck yourself." , but I doubt Asuma will take offense -- he did basically go "Cool it with the polite formalities kid, I won't get mad, because I asked for an analysis. Give me an analysis." -- and I suspect this will end up being decently beneficial towards figuring out where the darn thing is.

We don't even have to keep the damn thing if we do find it. It was stolen from the Tea ninja clan (last I checked) that had it previously. If we locate it and nab it back, we can just as easily saunter over there and plop it onto their dining room table before going:

"Here is your priceless artifact back. Gib Leaf alliance, gib personal alliance, help us with Isan, also 7th path super-trade routes. These all benefit you too, yay pro-social interaction!"

And we walk away with an epic pile of nice stuff, the world gets a little brighter, and we don't have to worry about a whole mess of things because dealing with some of our other problems ("What have you done for Leaf lately?" , "Isan is under attack!", "Very few people would be willing to hop in the trenches with the Gouketsu." ) gets a lot easier.
 
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Noumero said:
I want the Condor Scroll for Mari. Summoning Scrolls are keyed to Boss Summons. Conjura, the Condors' Boss Summon, was last seen leading guerilla warfare against the Pangolins. She's, for the first time in centuries, vulnerable and desperate. If we acquire it, Mari'll be able to roll her enormous Deceit and/or Rapport dice against the bird, promise her a secret alliance against the Pangolins (it won't even be much of a lie, given our opinion on their atrocities) in exchange for tons of secret techniques, forbidden lore, and summoning contracts, including a summoning contract with Conjura herself.
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A thought: can we pitch this plan to Asuma, with "Mari" rephrased as "a good negotiator"? It gives Leaf extreme amounts of power and relies on a competent social specialist to succeed, and Mari is probably the best one left in Leaf. If Ami actually donates the Scroll to the Tower, this could lead to them giving it right to us.
 
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Noumero said:
A thought: can we pitch this plan to Asuma, with "Mari" rephrased as "a good negotiator"? It gives Leaf extreme amounts of power and relies on a competent social specialist to succeed, and Mari is probably the best one left in Leaf. If Ami actually donates the Scroll to the Tower, this could lead to them giving it right to us.
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Related:

We may want to emphasize to Asuma that the Condor scroll is a heavily depreciated asset, and that its effective usage is reliant upon some very nasty politics between the Condors and the Pangolins (or in some cases, just the Pangolins). Both of which are sort of problematic for various reasons.
 
MMKII said:
Related:

We may want to emphasize to Asuma that the Condor scroll is a heavily depreciated asset, and that its effective usage is reliant upon some very nasty politics between the Condors and the Pangolins (or in some cases, just the Pangolins). Both of which are sort of problematic for various reasons.
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I think we can bring the Pangolin and Condors to negotiate some kind of peace at this point anyway, without a summoner the Condors are probably really screwed and the Pangolin either need Skytowers or allies for their Empire. The whole region around them has access to Skytowers or will have the access in a few months. So they have to negotiate with the other clans anyway, if they don't want to get ganged up on.

The Pangolin did compromise with the Leopards, so it's not impossible and so far the Condor resistance wasn't very effective. We (as in Leaf) might actually be able to support Conjura and anti-condor slavery.



[X] Action plan: Bombs and Bijuus
 
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Velorien said:
As a largely separate personal issue, you know how in certain cases we have been forced to bend the rules of simulationism in order to keep the game fun, such as by introducing anachronistic notions of women's rights that do not define them as property for trade? That applies on the metagame level as well. There are only so many layers you can simulate in near-real-time without risking burnout, especially when the majority of those layers are politics and economics, neither of which you care about at all in real life (or, in the case of the former, choose not to care about in order to preserve your faith in humanity). We have great players, and I am genuinely invested in the characters and what they do and how they develop, but at this point, it sometimes feels like these and the setting are all that remains of the original Marked for Death.
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@eaglejarl @OliWhail @Velorien

So this, combined with various one-off comments and posts of a similar nature is causing me a decent degree of concern.

From the various signals being thrown out, it sort of seems (to me, take everything with a grain of salt since this is my personal interpretation) like the following is the current state of affairs:

It is often the case that this sort of thing feels like this:
QMs said:
Guys, we don't really enjoy thinking of and writing all this politics stuff thats going on. Its very spoon taxing and not too interesting. There is cool stuff going on out there, why are you trying to file your taxes?
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It is with decent frequency that it ends up feeling like this:
QMs said:
This is ... basically just lighthousing, except you're moving narrative social numbers around and we have to write more dialogue (but not insightful interesting kind, the kind where everyone has to basically have a small political/academic debate about something and only sort of arrive at any sort of conclusion) and figure out stuff for other people to do that you'll probably never even find out about unless we feel like writing that dialogue too! But that would get too meta too fast anyway.
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It is very occasionally (yet still too frequently) the case that things are feeling like:
QMs said:
Were it not for the fact that characters I love are doing these things, this would be about as enjoyable and interesting across the board as spending the afternoon eating a bowl of sawdust. So much so, in fact, that I find myself double checking the worldstate to make sure that something else shouldn't be plausibly derailing this whole mess into something that is less headache inducing.

Please stop sending us to the Department of Motor Vehicles waiting room with your plans.
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Maybe once or twice it feels like this:
I am mostly kidding on this one folks said:
It is with great effort that we haven't just declared:

"The Ten Tails has arisen from the Kanashi Ocean crater, causing destruction and desolation in its wake. Everyone dies, and after the last living soul perishes, the ChakraAI has reformatted the physical world entirely.

The story of this universe will continue in 'Destined to Drown: A Rational One Piece Quest.' "
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Is that back-of-the-envelope accurate at all? If so, it sounds like we need to just figure out ways to advance our goals (that are palatable and in the simulationist and rational spirit of things) in a manner that is less "This sucks eggs" and more "Wow this is cool. Everyone is having a good time."

(And then actually go friggin' do them.)
 
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