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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Cariyaga said:
Are you sure that Sasuke is the one with whom the negotiations are being made?
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See, that's the thing; I don't want to go to who's currently holding the negotiations, I want Sasuke. Whoever is currently holding the negotiations evidently feels fine cutting the father out of their blood children's life, and that is one of our hard lines. Trying to negotiate with the person currently negotiating seems like it would take extra effort compared to going straight to Sasuke and negotiating directly.

That said, I think Sasuke hated his dad, so, um.
 
Sasuke is not currently head of the Uchiha clan, last we checked. He is heir but has not taken over operations.
 
huhYeahGoodPoint said:
See, that's the thing; I don't want to go to who's currently holding the negotiations, I want Sasuke. Whoever is currently holding the negotiations evidently feels fine cutting the father out of their blood children's life, and that is one of our hard lines. Trying to negotiate with the person currently negotiating seems like it would take extra effort compared to going straight to Sasuke and negotiating directly.

That said, I think Sasuke hated his dad, so, um.
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Is it one of our hard lines? It's sure not one of mine. They'll be well taken care of by their adoptive parents in the Uchiha, and that's all that matters to me.
 
I mean...

I'm pretty sure Hazou's going to be there when the kid's born, and then immediately go:

DADZOU: I've only known this fluffball for five minutes, but if anything ever happened to this cutie, I'd kill everything in the room and then myself. Fuck the Uchiha, I'm raising this kid.
 
Byzantine279 said:
@faflec Have Hazo give them enough money to buy them, we don't want them to pay out of pocket and the suggestion is currently in the plan.
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I...alright, if nobody has an issue with it.
MMKII said:
@faflec can you prioritize the concession list? I think the last thing we want to give up is the markers, while the first thing we want to give/give up are the monetary concessions.
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Sure.
faflec said:
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[X] Action Plan: Representation
  • Afternoon: Clan meeting on politics.
    • Propose changes to the Uchiha deal. Send Mari off to finalize the deals.
      • Hagoromo: Accept the deal as-is, it's fine.
      • Uchiha: Accept IFF key contentions are solved, otherwise decline.
    • Can we use civilian influence to flip another vote? Ami's speech earlier suggests it could be worthwhile. Maybe there's a clan that has economic interests requiring skilled civilians?
  • Evening: Dinner with Snake, Team Nakano, and Yudai.
    • Ask Nakano and co. to bring some honeyed apples; Kagome'll love them.
      • Bring money/replacement ingredients to compensate them.
    • Beforehand: Ask Mari to keep an eye on Snake. She seems interested in associating with us; we need allies. What does she know about her? Does she seem trustworthy?
    • Carefully introduce Kagome to Nakano and co..
    • Discuss the recent Sealing failure.
      • Are their families and friends alright?
      • If not, is there anything we can do for them?
    • Ask Snake about her time with Jiraiya. Listen to her stories and reminisce a little.
    • Discuss retainership concept to Team Nakano and Yudai (and Snake, if she's clanless): Not formal adoption, formalized contractors-with-benefits.
      • Possible benefits:
        • Sealing knowledge.
        • Custom seal requests.
        • Medic-nin assistance.
    • After dinner, ask Mari what she thought of Snake.
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faflec said:
Suggested Changes to the Uchiha Deal:​

Gouketsu Key Contentions and Possible Solutions: If any of these contentions are not solved to our satisfaction, we will not sign the contract. Bulleted beneath each Key Contention are details and/or possible solutions to the contention.
  1. None of the eleven (11) civilian women will at any point be threatened, blackmailed, coerced, or in any other way be made to bear children against their will. At any point, any one of the civilian women may choose to 'opt out' of the deal, and may choose to remain within the Gouketsu Clan or be re-adopted into the Uchiha Clan as she sees fit.
    • The Uchiha Clan is free to select another healthy civilian woman to be adopted into the Gouketsu Clan. This woman will continue the previous woman's obligations under the same terms of the deal.
    • Should adoption not be feasible, the Gouketsu Clan will ensure that the total number of pregnancies (55) remains the same, and will ensure another pregnancy from the remaining women as soon as is healthy to do so.
  2. To ensure the safety of the eleven (11) civilian women, a competent medical professional will be enlisted to confirm whether or not each woman is capable of giving birth with minimal complications (NB: the chances of this woman dying or being otherwise permanently weakened from the ordeal is less than 5%). Should this medical professional deem it so, the rate OR number of births for this woman must be reduced or ended entirely.
    • The Uchiha Clan is free to select another healthy civilian woman to be adopted into the Gouketsu Clan. This woman will continue the previous woman's obligations under the same terms of the deal.
    • Should adoption not be feasible, the Gouketsu Clan will ensure that the total number of pregnancies (55) remains the same, and will ensure another pregnancy from the remaining women as soon as is healthy to do so.
  3. Parents of any child born and immediately adopted or married into the Uchiha Clan will be allowed to be heavily involved in the raising of the child until said child has reached his or her age of majority. This includes any children born under the eleven (11) civilian women adopted from this deal, as well as any future children who develop the Sharingan.
    • Ideally, the Gouketsu and Uchiha Clans may choose to raise these children together under dual-clan membership, to be applied at birth. This means that they will be considered to be both of the Uchiha AND the Gouketsu Clans, though their status as Uchiha Clan will take precedence.
      • If this is agreed to, the Gouketsu Clan offers to shoulder the cost of raising these children, which includes but is not limited to: monetary costs, training, general child rearing, etc., until they reach their legal age of majority, after which point they will move into the Uchiha Clan.
      • Furthermore, if this is agreed to, the Gouketsu Clan is willing to train these children to prevent issues arising from the Iron Nerve bloodline from occuring, and may offer them tutoring in certain clan secrets (without being said aloud, this means teaching them details on the Iron Nerve). Any clan secret training will be understood to be not taught to anyone outside of the Gouketsu Clan. Additionally, the Gouketsu is willing to teach them non-clan secret techniques and outfit them with seal loadouts at our discretion.
    • If the above arrangement cannot be achieved, then at the bare minimum, the Gouketsu Clan requires the right to visit these children as often as they desire."

Gouketsu Non-Key Contentions: These are contentions that we want but are willing to drop entirely if they can not be resolved.
  1. The Gouketsu Clan would like the Uchiha Clan to vote for our candidate instead of abstaining from the vote. The Gouketsu Clan recognize the danger it would put the Uchiha Clan in due to retailation from the Hyuuga Clan, and would ask them if any sum of the concessions we offer are sufficient; and if not, what concessions would the Gouketsu Clan need to bring in order to change this.
    • If the concessions are equivalent to some large monetary sum paid upfront or over time, political markers, or trade deals favourable to the Uchiha, the Gouketsu Clan would be willing to accept these concessions. If the concessions would require major moral failures, such as rejection of Key Contentions as stated above, the Gouketsu Clan would not be willing to accept these concessions.

Additional Concessions to Contentions: In addition to solutions to specific contentions, these are general concessions that may be added to resolve any contention. Specifics are to be determined based on the magnitude of the contention and how much is necessary to 'balance the scales'.
  1. The Gouketsu Clan offers an increased payment totaling up to R1,500,000 per month to the Uchiha Clan, and/or duration for up to 1 additional year.
  2. The Gouketsu Clan offers to reduce the amount or duration of the 5% Uchiha income net of basic clan expenses, and are willing to void this entirely.
  3. The Gouketsu Clan offers to reduce the total number of political markers given upfront by the Uchiha Clan down to 3.
  4. The Gouketsu Clan offers to void political markers the Uchiha Clan is obligated to give for every year a child is adopted into the Uchiha.
  5. The Gouketsu Clan offers to void political markers the Uchiha Clan is obligated to give for every year a child who develops the Sharingan is adopted.
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huhYeahGoodPoint said:
I mean...

I'm pretty sure Hazou's going to be there when the kid's born, and then immediately go:

DADZOU: I've only known this fluffball for five minutes, but if anything ever happened to this cutie, I'd kill everything in the room and then myself. Fuck the Uchiha, I'm raising this kid.
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That's not us, though.

e: Honestly I'm fine with Hazou feeling shitty about it. He's the type that channels his frustrations into his work.
 
Cariyaga said:
That's not us, though.

e: Honestly I'm fine with Hazou feeling shitty about it. He's the type that channels his frustrations into his work.
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Nah. Dadzou is for sure a power up.

It's like getting an entire spine and change in one fell swoop! We could use that to help our current spine-building efforts along!!
 
Hold on.

The CHAOS suit basic concept is just specifically positioned pockets for seals, right?

Baggy clothing offers more opportunity for pockets to shift around and become pointed at things we don't want them pointed at.

Tight clothing will keep the pockets aligned where we want them.

Thus, we need to build the CHAOS suit Mk. 2 out of YOUTHsuits.
 
Kiba said:
It is my understanding that pinging people, especially in a vote, is considered rude by SV norms.
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For the record, I myself am perfectly fine being pinged. I can't always catch up to forum discussion when it's moving fast and I'm busy, so directing my attention to a plan is always helpful.

I wish there was a quick way to view and compare the plans being voted for without digging back to find the original plan post. It'd save me a lot of time, and I'd feel much more confident voting if I knew I had taken into account all plans.
 
Pharos said:
I wish there was a quick way to view and compare the plans being voted for without digging back to find the original plan post. It'd save me a lot of time, and I'd feel much more confident voting if I knew I had taken into account all plans.
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You can go to thread tools and click on vote tally. The first name will link you to the plan
 
Pharos said:
For the record, I myself am perfectly fine being pinged. I can't always catch up to forum discussion when it's moving fast and I'm busy, so directing my attention to a plan is always helpful.

I wish there was a quick way to view and compare the plans being voted for without digging back to find the original plan post. It'd save me a lot of time, and I'd feel much more confident voting if I knew I had taken into account all plans.
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What Oneiros said, and you can also find that under the bottom left of any post you make in this thread. It'll be between "Delete" and "Report".
 
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