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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Kiba said:
@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail

According to the timeline, we talked to Tsunade on January 2nd, and then talked to Naruto the next day.

I thought immediately after Mari left, we talked to Tsunade.

If the timeline is accurate, can we backfill the two days with activities?
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Mari left in the evening of January 1st. You talked to Tsunade on January 2nd. You just talked to Naruto on the 3rd, and it is 1 p.m.
 
[X] Action plan: Stealing the Snake

I was convinced that this won't take very long to accomplish and won't really hinder our current plans to get a sympathetic Hokage.
 
[X] Action Plan: Speaking of Unity

Going all-in on stealing the Snake scroll seems like exactly the sort of thing that might have negative political repercussions. I honestly think we have better things to do with our time.

I also just fundamentally don't believe that anyone with the power to let us have the scroll will buy that an extremely open-ended order to "save the world" means we get to have the scroll.
 
faflec said:
[X] Action Plan: Speaking of Unity

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  • Adoption:
    • Akane/Tenten: Easy picks. Make offers ASAP if others agree:
      • Akane: Make it together – she's already family.
      • Tenten: Let Keiko offer – she knows her best.
    • Lee:
      • He's talented, and all alone after Gai's death.
      • Can we mitigate his personality to minimize friction? Soundproofing, house rules...?
    • Inter-village adoption (Doigama, Kato...): Something to consider?
  • Family matters:
    • Mari: Did you accomplish your goal yesterday?
    • Kagome:
      • Give him Jiraiya's sealing notes.
        • First check and remove Kagome's private seals from them.
      • Is he willing to teach adoptees sealling?
    • Noburi: Schedule an appointment with Kabuto to check bloodline interactions with SC/Summoning.
      • Yes, we want him to have the Toad Scroll.
      • You can also investigate him on adoption.
    • Keiko: Pangolin trading
      • Possible solutions for your concerns:
        • Selling seals using Toad intermediaries.
        • Selling seals to Keiko, who sells to Pangolins.
        • Designating the Pangolin Scroll as a Goketsu Clan treasure, so trades are considered Goketsu clan treasures.
      • Offer (OPSEC-sanitized!) seals for trade. Trade for:
        • Gold/jewels.
        • Jutsu, especially conquered nations' jutsu (Condors' Space-Time Ninjutsu).
        • Improved treatment of conquered nations.
  • Hokageship:
    • Tell Naruto about the vote.
    • Discuss possible swing votes:
      • Hagoromo: We can help pay off loans.
      • Aburame: Mari got him on our side, can she do it again?
      • Inuzuka: Naruto might do best with this; he's trustworthy and hasn't soured relations with them.
  • Make contact with the Snakes.
    • Learn about their culture/predispositions from Summons and Jiraiya's notes...
    • Send Jiraiya's letter to Orochimaru to the Snakes (via Pangolin messengers).
      • Orochimaru could have faked his death; either way, he should have it.
      • Did he leave a will with you? He's been pardoned and we'd want his wishes to be carried out.
    • Try getting on their good side.
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I don't understand, where is the bit where we march up to acquire the Snake Scroll ? :(
 
Oneiros said:
I mean Jiraiya selected ANBU for personal loyalty. Shouldn't be a problem
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Yeah, loyalty to Jiraiya, not the missing-nin who've only been here a few months. And that's assuming that everyone we have to convince along the way is personally loyal to Jiraiya, which is really not a given.

I don't think getting a hold of the scroll is inherently unworkable, I just think that a) this plan will not work and b) the blowback for doing so from Hiashi's camp - painting us as taking advantage of the chaos to take loot, which we are - outweighs the benefit of getting the scroll right now.

If people are really, really committed to doing so, we could maybe paint it as making sure Orochimaru is really dead, and not just trapped in some snake-shaped phylactery somewhere, by performing a reverse-summoning on him - with a resident summoner on-hand, we're clearly the experts on such matters.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
If people are really, really committed to doing so, we could maybe paint it as making sure Orochimaru is really dead, and not just trapped in some snake-shaped phylactery somewhere, by performing a reverse-summoning on him - with a resident summoner on-hand, we're clearly the experts on such matters.
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Hmmm.

What say we? I'm not actually sure that Oro is dead, so it would be good to check. Maybe we can spin it this way as well if the first bit fails?
 
Wouldn't it be better to ask Mari first, before marching to take the scroll? Just to be sure people don't brand us as traitor for outright stealing the snake scroll?
 
Oneiros said:
If she's around we will invite her
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In this case i can't help but ask, what if she's not? Because this seems something that actually needs Mari to work.
The plan is actually a very good one, so it would be a pity if it fails because Mari wasn't around and we just decided to charge in...or Hiashi uses the fact we tried(And failed)to steal a summoning scroll to make all the Clan neutral go against us or worse.
 
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I demand that any plans involving talking to Sasuke about an alliance-- likely by informing him about the Iron Nerve Sharingan babies and by offering him some sort of agreement where we co-foster children with each other or somesuch-- be named:

[Χ] Action Plan: Sasuke Please Have My Babies

:p
 
MMKII said:
I demand that any plans involving talking to Sasuke about an alliance-- likely by informing him about the Iron Nerve Sharingan babies and by offering him some sort of agreement where we co-foster children with each other or somesuch-- be named:

[Χ] Action Plan: Sasuke Please Have My Babies

:p
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And so the circle of life continues. I believe a proposal to this effect was first made during character generation.
 
I really, really don't think we should just be marching up to try and take the Snake scroll. I don't just think it's a waste of time in a period where we need to be doing other things, I don't just think it's not going to work (and I really, really don't think it will). I think that even making the attempt will be handing our opponents serious political ammunition to paint us as opportunistic thieves, taking advantage of Konoha's recent tragic losses to try and steal an important military asset, just as might be expected of filthy missing-nin, etc. etc.

Like, holy shit, we're taking something nice our beloved hero father said to us in his will to try and justify taking something that no reasonable reading of such would claim is ours. That looks terrible even before everything else!

Why is everyone jumping on this?
 
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Deathbybunnies said:
I really, really don't think we should just be marching up to try and take the Snake scroll. I don't just think it's a waste of time in a period where we need to be doing other things, I don't just think it's not going to work (and I really, really don't think it will). I think that even making the attempt will be handing our opponents serious political ammunition to paint us as opportunistic thieves, taking advantage of Konoha's recent tragic losses to try and steal an important military asset, just as might be expected of filthy missing-nin, etc. etc.

Like, holy shit, we're taking something nice our beloved hero father said to us in his will to try and justify taking something that no reasonable reading of such would claim is ours. That looks terrible even before everything else!

Why is everyone jumping on this?
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Consider:

Our allies won't likely be seeing this Scroll. At worst, it will be used as a bargaining chip for Hiashi to grease the wheels for his election, which spells DOOM for us. With us, they at least get some sort of benefit here in that we are more amicable towards doing stuff for them, so increasing our own power does help them.

Our enemies will be salty no matter what we do.

Neutral folks are the problematic ones. I think we could make sufficient concessions to the Aburame and the Uchiha that this would be overlooked. We could even promise them the scroll passes to them after Hazou's death (minimum period of 10 years, no assassinations please!) which could swing them to our side.
 
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