It's not exactly secret if the pangolins are using it in a tournament, and what secret applications does it have for the Goketsu?
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It's not exactly secret if the pangolins are using it in a tournament, and what secret applications does it have for the Goketsu?
Cariyaga
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The secret is that the Goketsu themselves can use it, not that Pangolin have techniques that are unusual.
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It's a secret that we can cast it.
It's very plausibly a pangolin only technique that wouldn't cross over because of physiological differences.
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Which is exactly what we did with Akane.
We messed up, and there is no magic bullet that can undo that.
All we can say is "Yes, I am a flawed person. I am trying to improve; I hope that you, as my family member, will bear with me as I do so."
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That's what happens when you bug Keiko too much.
/rimshot
So, how many ways can we horrifically abuse being able to put summons on the human path while the summoner is safe on the seventh path? For that matter, can the summoner take other humans to the seventh path with them to keep them safe too while summons murderize people?
Cariyaga
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We did already know that Keiko could do that.
Also, as with all things, nukes are the answer.
Cariyaga
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I mean, in fairness, with Akane, we weren't in a situation where we could have a nice sit-down chat, and it was Keiko herself that framed it as something Akane had to do; our plan gave her an out.
Noumero
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Very interesting. Potentially significant.
Cariyaga
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It's good that she's losing her dependence on it.
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But did she?
Did she really?
The funny thing is, after our fuckup, Keiko told us.
We were right,as far as "Can i talk with Ami goes".
It pissed her off a great deal, but we were right to do so.
She doesn't want us to, but she understand why.
The fact that we met Ami made her angry, as far as gut reactions go.
But Anger was also the thing Keiko admitted was wrong(In a completely self-harming way, of course).
The only thing she did was well, feeling hurt.
That is technically a manipulation, but doesn't have an actual will behind.
Keiko didn't "use" our emotions, Keiko felt really bad because we fucked up and therefore Hazou feel bad.
Was there a manipulatory element? Of course, but one Keiko herself noted and(in an absolutely self-harming way) tried to reign it in herself.
Remember, for you "i am worthless, please keep talking with my sister" is manipulation, because you have a sense of self-worth so it seems fake to you.
But Keiko says these things seriously, more or less.
Would she have tried to emotionally manipulate us if we talked to her beforehand? Maybe, but the funny thing is.
We don't know, because we didn't talk to her
That resolves absolutely nothing, it's an excuse to shift blame from us to the circumstances.
It still treat Keiko as a player that we need to defeat, at best an ally.
Not family, not team.
Let's be clear, Noburi too is fucking pissedat us.
This isn't a "poor Keiko is angry because she has problems"
He took it better because we used Ami as a way to inflict MAXIMUM DAMAGE to Keiko and because he is generally better that Keiko in that regard.
But his "jokes" are an explicit message given to us in a way that doesn't make the situation worse for us.
The traslantion generally being "You fucked up, and i'm not saying this because Keiko is as she is".
So we need to talk with Noburi, too.
I mostly agree with Oneiros43. Keiko's attitude has been (and she even admitted this) self-fulfilling of the very things she's upset about: any attempt to try and "fix" what's going on with her should clarify that, while she has a right to feel somewhat betrayed by Hazo, she can't acknowledge that her own behavior influenced his and act all "woe is me" and then not actually own up to the mistake and try to change. Both she and Hazo have different things to apologize and atone for, and both need to do so together.
I've also been kind of over the whole "threatening your brothers with violence for displeasing you" thing for a while now and have been hoping someone would get her to straighten out soon. Faflec is right that she's probably not going to just "snap out of it" on her own, unless that's the kind of lesson the GMs want Hazo/the readers to learn. Normally I would say the best person to give her a talking to here is Mari, but obviously she's in her own mess at the moment. She might pull herself out of it if she knew what was going on to help Keiko, but she's also all the way in Leaf. If that can be rectified somehow then great (7th path meeting facilitated by Jiraiya?) but there are a lot of logistics to work out there.
The main thing I'd like to see for both of them is a mutual understanding that their self-image is highly flawed and if they're not willing to believe literally anyone about this (even someone like Ami, as unlikely a savior as that would be) then they are failing their family along a completely different axis than the one they think they are. People can't *force* themselves to believe good things about themselves, but to tell someone you trust them and then ignore their assessment of yourself so blatantly and stubbornly is a slap in the face, and demonstrates that Keiko/Mari's respect for their family members is not as deep as they claim and has room to grow.
Right now the main issue is the betrothal to Shikamaru, which I feel like we don't have enough info to really get a handle on how to best approach/deal with it that doesn't involve Shikamaru's help. He acted in a way that was meant to signify to Keiko that he wants her as his wife, but upset her instead: he didn't make the same mistake that Hazo did, and in fact if all this hadn't been going on Keiko would probably be less pissed, but the best way for him to get back on her good side may be to ensure that he better understands her, and he really, really doesn't at this point. Not as well as Noburi and Hazo, at least.
There is a slight problem here where sharing details about Keiko without Keiko's consent may upset her further... but that's part of the problem. Keiko cannot reasonably get upset about the steps others take to help her when she cannot be trusted to collaborate reasonably. That said, right now she's looking for some alone time. I don't know how important her winning her match is. If it doesn't really matter that much, she should be given it, as a show of respecting her wishes before pointing out that her other wishes are often unreasonable.
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Whelp that last part's irrelevant now I guess, since the match is already over and she's won
This brings a very valid point, thank you.
In truth, more than one, but i'm for know i'll talk about that, because i'm tired and sick and the floor is lava andtheabyssiscallingmeeeeeeee.....
You get the idea.
Keiko did foster an environment of distrust between her and Hazou.
Framing it as "you're wrong too" is simply nonsensical, because it assigns blame.
On other hand, noting that there was a miscommunication and explaining how this hurt us,would be smart and even helpful
In short, not
"But Keiko, you did this by attacking me for stupid reasons, so it's your fault too"
Instead
"On another matter, noted our problem in a fact of social relationship, i would note that you trying to kill me foster this kind of situation, because you're my sister, and i love you, and such behaviour create distrust in you.
A distrust that is not justified.
And it hurt me, emotionally"
Or something like that.
I'm sick and it's morning, so my charismatic speech skill is not at my best.
Pretty much,plus explaining what we did wrong and how we, as a family, can help each other.
And reveal that we talked with Ami because we want to know how she feels about Keiko(With tact, not as an excuse) and try to resolve that problem.
Together.
Or maybe not? Too soon? Too late.
But yeah, we can't fix us or Keiko, we can just help each other as family
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Welcome! It's always good to have new perspectives, and as a previously silent part of the hivemind, it's too late for your sanity anyway.
A perfectly logical extension of "explosives solve everything".
> Implying that there are situations that do not call for cookies.
You personally do not have the technique. Your pangolin allies do.
As for Ami, the question you always have to ask is, what will she do in response?
Cariyaga
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I'm fairly certain that we do have it, actually. It was the fifth technique that replaced Pangolin Telepathy, was it not?
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Announcement
As your characters are now in possession of relevant information they would have had during the period you were voting for, I am reopening voting. Assume that Keiko is unavailable prior to her match.
The deadline is Wednesday 27th of February, 12 p.m. London time. I will ask @eaglejarl to edit this into his update.
Edit: no time paradoxes, please. Hazō gets to know about the contents of 247 Part 2 (Keiko gets engaged and sends her message) but not Bug Bites 2 (Keiko attends and wins the Finals). You are being given power over space and time; do not abuse it, lest it be turned against you.
As your characters are now in possession of relevant information they would have had during the period you were voting for, I am reopening voting. Assume that Keiko is unavailable prior to her match.
The deadline is Wednesday 27th of February, 12 p.m. London time. I will ask @eaglejarl to edit this into his update.
Edit: no time paradoxes, please. Hazō gets to know about the contents of 247 Part 2 (Keiko gets engaged and sends her message) but not Bug Bites 2 (Keiko attends and wins the Finals). You are being given power over space and time; do not abuse it, lest it be turned against you.
It's not on his sheet. If I'm looking at the wrong sheet, please link me to the one you're looking at.
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Cariyaga
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Oh, misunderstanding, then. I was intending to indicate that we had access to it as a technique we could learn, not that any of the kids necessarily had learned it.
Also, screaming in Kagome, etc.
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It means that Pangaya now has to marry Shino to avoid a scandal.
On a serious note: poor Shino. He just happened to be close to Keiko when she had a point to make and I hope he recovers and doesn't hold this against her.
Anyway, the ball busting was clearly a signal intended for Shikamaru which means Hazou might still get his very own "message".
Boy, do I hope it's Keiko picking up a guy randomly off the street and tying him up so tightly that he can't move without her rolling him down the street. That might get her perception of how a lack of agency and initiative works across fine, right?
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I understand that covering someone head-to-toe in insects is also considered a breach of etiquette. You'll note that nobody attempted it at the dinner party event, even though burying people alive was entirely comme il faut.
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OK, that was satisfying. Now to plan adjustements.
Do we know when the fight is happening? Specific time would be appreciated. Do we know about any celebration or other oficial events that could be scheduled after the fight?
I guess we should use the morning part of the plan as is with slight adjustements on Keiko not being there and then brief her on the message and our plans after the fight. along with our congrats... and reminder that we think she's the toughest and most awesome girl in the world.
I don't think we have time to go for either socialising with Ino or geting all the shoping done, so I'm sticking with @Inferno Vulpix plan as a start point
Do we know when the fight is happening? Specific time would be appreciated. Do we know about any celebration or other oficial events that could be scheduled after the fight?
I guess we should use the morning part of the plan as is with slight adjustements on Keiko not being there and then brief her on the message and our plans after the fight. along with our congrats... and reminder that we think she's the toughest and most awesome girl in the world.
I don't think we have time to go for either socialising with Ino or geting all the shoping done, so I'm sticking with @Inferno Vulpix plan as a start point
Does it count as abuse if we go out and bet a lot of money on Keiko winning? It makes sense as an IC action for Hazou---also to signal his confidence in her ability to win without his planning.
She's probably already the favourite to win, but even a 10% risk-free return is pretty good for one day.
Or...
[J] Plan Trading Places
- Hazou publicly bets a modest but significant amount for Keiko to lose to Shino.
- Act like he's trying not to be observed and identified (e.g., wear a very bad disguise), but actually try to make sure as many people find out as possible.
- Work those Deception skills, for once.
- For extra theatrics, have Hazou and Noburi get into a fight, with neither disagreeing that Keiko will lose, but with Hazou arguing for making the best of a bad situation and Noburi telling Hazou that profiting off Keiko's defeat would ruin their relationship.
- Once the odds on Keiko decrease with the news that her clan siblings don't believe that she will win, someone (Noburi? Hazou in a better disguise?) bet a large amount on her winning.
- Profit!
One of the dynamics in the story that irks me is the fact that apologies and efforts (however flawed they may be) to accommodate others always seem so one-sided. However, that might my biases talking so I was wondering if others felt the same: is Hazou truly the only one who apologizes and tries to make up with others or is my 'headcanon' wrong? It feels like we spend a sizeable amount of plans trying to fix our relations with people and I don't recall NPCs doing the same for him. A couple examples: Keiko, Ino, Noburi, Keiko, Kagome, etc.
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Am I the only one who is still mildly bummed that the marriage with Yuno didn't work out for Nobby? I honestly liked her character, and I sincerely hope she gets more screen time.
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I begrudgingly agree that now is not the time to seduce Ino.
It's going to happen though when the moment is right.
WRT voting on what happens right before the final, I really can't think of anything other than placing as massive of bets on Keiko winning as possible IC as others have stated. However, after the match we need to get both Jiraiya and Keiko (and Noburi too so he doesn't feel left out) together and ask both of them what they are planning to do now that Keiko has won. Will there be a celebratory party? Who would be invited? Would Ami be welcome at the presumed party? Should we delay the party until we are back in Leaf?
Keiko just won the Chunin exams tournament. If there ever was a time to convince her that she isn't worthless it would be now (or in the future? time is weird in MfD right now). The key question to me though, is who would be best to convince her.
Jiraiya?
Ami?
Someone else?
All of the above?
None of the above?
I'm curious what other people are thinking about this or if they have other more pressing issues to take care of before we leave Mist.
Nonsense. If he'd just surrendered at the onset, he could have avoided this. Keiko told him what would happen! Hell, if he'd just surrendered during the battle it could have been avoided. But no, he had to be about to say "I surround you with bugs!" like an idiot and continue when he was obviously beaten. His wounds are practically self-inflicted!
Tua
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I nominate you to become the official Goketsu PR rep.
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I don't think we have much time for this plot, but beting seems absolutely reasonable IC. I think we still have those 500 grands? I say bet 'em all! Let Keiko see how we believe in her!
On a side note, I just realized that Hazou now consists of YOUTH, WEALTH, EXPLOSIVES,
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How about this, starting right after Pandaa delivers the message:
- We reply with:
- Hazou is going to leave the inn now, so Keiko can return safely.
- Noburi will be there to help her with her match preparation. She shouldn't punish him for Hazou's and Shikamaru's stupidity.
- *whatever Noburi wants to insert into the message about Hazou's failings, I bet he'll do a good job*
- Hazou leaves, goes to find Shikamaru, and explain to him, in painstaking detail, why he fucked up
- If he's going to marry Keiko, he'll need to know this either way
- Flex slot for after we're done talking to Shikamaru
- Ikeda?
- Ino?
- Hana?
- Hinata?
- Apologize in advance to Shino for Keiko's inevitable brutality?
- WILD IDEA?