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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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@Velorien: in canon, are ANBU all jounin level or above?

@Velorien, @OliWhail, @eaglejarl: in MfD how do ANBU and the jounin squad leaders seem to compare?

Hell, what's the stated purpose of the ANBU in MfD leaf?

I'm asking because the "dozens of jounin" number got me thinking about the other obvious elite group of ninja.
 
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TaliesinSkye said:
In all the discussion of genin teams with one jonin-sensei, I've been thinking; do chunin work with jonin in teams to learn from them? It seems like it would be a good idea if the jonin numbers support it. Something like a team of one jonin and two chunin working together to handle various missions that aren't suited to genin.
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I think your sensei will almost always continue the educational aspects of your relationship later on until you're on the same ish level or until one of you dies. Unless you (or they) are one salty sonuvabitch.
 
Jello_Raptor said:
@Velorien: in canon, are ANBU all jounin level or above?

@Velorien, @OliWhail, @eaglejarl: in MfD how do ANBU and the jounin squad leaders seem to compare?

Hell, what's the stated purpose of the ANBU in MfD leaf?

I'm asking because the "dozens of jounin" number got me thinking about the other obvious elite group of ninja.
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I could be wrong, but I think at least some of the canon ANBU are chunin.

Milpy said:
Well, I've already tried to read it once upon a time, but I wasn't all that into realistic-plots with actual consequences so I didn't even read it all that much (I was still in the first 10 or so chapters).

Then, this last few days I was bored and since this fic was a lot of times within the first 3 pages of the forum, I decided to give it a real shot(plus the mood for a more serious fic). So, here we are.

Don't expect to see me all that much, though, because I have a case of Chronic Lurker. Tip: I always answer if I am quoted or cited, so if you want to say something to me in-thread, you MUST cite/quote me, otherwise I'll likely not read or respond it.



Which is why I gave the 2a explanation
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Welcome new person!

Do you have any thoughts on things that you think we should do? I remember when I first got through the archive this past summer I had a bunch of ideas about things.
 
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Jello_Raptor said:
@Velorien: in canon, are ANBU all jounin level or above?

@Velorien, @OliWhail, @eaglejarl: in MfD how do ANBU and the jounin squad leaders seem to compare?

Hell, what's the stated purpose of the ANBU in MfD leaf?

I'm asking because the "dozens of jounin" number got me thinking about the other obvious elite group of ninja.
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I don't think they are, but they're definitely seemed to me to be better than a bog standard chūnin.
 
Dissonance said:
@Milpy (I don't think you get pinged if a ping or quote is edited in)
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You did right by pinging me. I don't get notified if a post I've been quoted is edited. Edit: Oh, read again what you said. I also don't know... you could test it :)

As for things we should do... Well, I guess the MAIN priority by far is getting some training about how to not get feet in your mouth. The second priority is to, for the love of whatever you care about, stop trying to play psychologist to anyone before fixing the Main Priority.

I mostly enjoyed everything about this fic, except 1 thing: The drama. It's not about having a constant of drama and such things, but how much the characters dramas are the same: Lack of confidence. Well, for everybody except the main character, that is. He doesn't have much drama by himself, he just triggers them in others.

If Jiraiya's explanation to Jounin aura is what will be taken as canon by this fic, this is also something I don't like. I mean, if all it takes is his explanation, there's nothing stopping civilians from having it. Unless, of course, his discourse is incomplete and the reason someone's experiences matter is because it is embedded in their chakra.

Hm... what else... I don't particularly remember anything right now. I'm sure more things will come up.
 
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Milpy said:
You did right by pinging me. I don't get notified if a post I've been quoted is edited. Edit: Oh, read again what you said. I also don't know... you could test it :)

As for things we should do... Well, I guess the MAIN priority by far is getting some training about how to not get feet in your mouth. The second priority is to, for the love of whatever you care about, stop trying to play psychologist to anyone before fixing the Main Priority.

I mostly enjoyed everything about this fic, except 1 thing: The drama. It's not about having a constant of drama and such things, but how much the characters dramas are the same: Lack of confidence. Well, for everybody except the main character, that is. He doesn't have much drama by himself, he just triggers them in others.

If Jiraiya's explanation to Jounin aura is what will be taken as canon by this fic, this is also something I don't like. I mean, if all it takes is his explanation, there's nothing stopping civilians from having it. Unless, of course, his discourse is incomplete and the reason someone's experiences matter is because it is embedded in their chakra.

Hm... what else... I don't particularly remember anything right now. I'm sure more things will come up.
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We don't know whether anyone is telling the truth about anything except insofar as we can confirm, and something like jounin aura is inherently personalized, so what he's saying being true for him might not even mean it's true for someone else if it isn't also just metaphysical mumbo-jumbo as Keiko implied.
 
Milpy said:
how much the characters dramas are the same: Lack of confidence.
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In fairness, the three main characters are all teenagers -- barely even teenagers when the story started. Mari is in her early 20s with a head full of trauma, and Kagome is more than a few trees short of an orchard, if you take my meaning.
 
Milpy said:
IfJiraiya's explanation to Jounin aura is what will be taken as canon by this fic, this is also something I don't like. I mean, if all it takes is his explanation, there's nothing stopping civilians from having it. Unless, of course, his discourse is incomplete and the reason someone's experiences matter is because it is embedded in their chakra.
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Without comment on the accuracy of Jiraiya's claims, he never actually says outright that civilians can't have them. But then, who cares about what civilians can and can't do?
 
It occurs to me that if we had made Hazou younger, he might have a higher XP coefficient solely by virtue of being a prodigy. Ah, missed opportunities...
 
Cariyaga said:
It occurs to me that if we had made Hazou younger, he might have a higher XP coefficient solely by virtue of being a prodigy. Ah, missed opportunities...
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Hazō isn't a prodigy. His notable XP curve comes from being powered by an extradimensional intelligence that's smarter than he is. Applying that intelligence at a younger age wouldn't change it.
 
Velorien said:
Hazō isn't a prodigy. His notable XP curve comes from being powered by an extradimensional intelligence that's smarter than he is. Applying that intelligence at a younger age wouldn't change it.
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No, no, I know he isn't as he is now, But if he were, say, a 9-10 year old with the amount of XP he has now, it'd be hard to explain as anything but him being a prodigy.

...That said, I wouldn't want to do that. I feel bad enough torturing him with an extradimensional intelligence as it is.
 
Cariyaga said:
No, no, I know he isn't as he is now, But if he were, say, a 9-10 year old with the amount of XP he has now, it'd be hard to explain as anything but him being a prodigy.

...That said, I wouldn't want to do that. I feel bad enough torturing him with an extradimensional intelligence as it is.
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What you are implicitly proposing is that we inhabit, like, an Academy student, early enough to wipe out their own ego and replace it with us.

I am reminded of Abominations in the Dune universe.
 
Velorien said:
Hazō isn't a prodigy. His notable XP curve comes from being powered by an extradimensional intelligence that's smarter than he is. Applying that intelligence at a younger age wouldn't change it.
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Hold on. The players themselves are a canon entity in this story? Does that reconcile with the setting, or is it handwaved, or is there a joke I'm missing?

(Don't mind me too much, I'm just here to study this quest on a mechanical level.)
 
unsanity said:
Hold on. The players themselves are a canon entity in this story? Does that reconcile with the setting, or is it handwaved, or is there a joke I'm missing?

(Don't mind me too much, I'm just here to study this quest on a mechanical level.)
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HDK

(Hazou doesn't know; ergo, neither do we.)

In less pithy terms, it's not especially clear where the QM's messing with us ends and the quest's canon begins, in this particular regard.
 
Cariyaga said:
No, no, I know he isn't as he is now, But if he were, say, a 9-10 year old with the amount of XP he has now, it'd be hard to explain as anything but him being a prodigy.
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I see what you mean. Of course, if you recall, XP awards were a mess early in the quest anyway, so he could, for example, have been a prodigy who burned out at 11 when his unnatural XP curve got rebalanced.

Cariyaga said:
In less pithy terms, it's not especially clear where the QM's messing with us ends and the quest's canon begins, in this particular regard.
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This. For example, Hazō's ability to come up with detailed plans in as little as a few minutes is a running joke within Team Uplift, as is their erratic quality.
 
Velorien said:
This. For example, Hazō's ability to come up with detailed plans in as little as a few minutes is a running joke within Team Uplift, as is their erratic quality.
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Really, Hazou is as lucky to have Team Uplift as they are to have him.

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Relatedly, I am now imagining Hana's reaction to Mari if Hazou actually was 9-10 years old.

...I am very glad he isn't.
 
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eaglejarl said:
AHA! SEE?! Ninja CAN walk on snow, and therefore I don't need to waste time going back and changing things. HAH! Victory!

Edit because this thread is full of smartasses: Walk on snow without leaving tracks.
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My understanding was that the final verdict was that snowwalking was a thing, but a seperate skill which none of the team knew.

Of course, I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if paranoid uncle Kagome made sure to learn it after it became an issue.
 
MMKII said:
@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail


How have y'all been finding the plans the last few dozen chapters? (In terms of both quality and how enjoyable/easy they are to write.)
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As to quality, they have ranged from perfectly acceptable to really good. There have been some blah bits where I felt unimportant things were given too much attention or details were overspecified, but part of that is simply differences in preferences between my tastes and those of the readers, and part of it is the need for clear communication.

As to enjoyable/easy to write, they've all been easy to write for. One or two of them bored the socks off me, but across several hundred plans and three years of time that's going to happen. Some of them were a lot of fun to write as well, so it balances out.

Overall, I'd say B+.

Thanks for asking. It's nice to be thought of.
 
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