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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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eaglejarl said:
AHA! SEE?! Ninja CAN walk on snow, and therefore I don't need to waste time going back and changing things. HAH! Victory!

Edit because this thread is full of smartasses: Walk on snow without leaving tracks.
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eaglejarl said:
AHAHA!

Chapter 457 of the manga makes it absolutely crystal clear that ninja can walk on snow without leaving tracks. To wit:

Naruto Chapter 457 - Page 7
Naruto Chapter 457 - Page 8
Naruto Chapter 457 - Page 13
Naruto Chapter 457 - Page 15

Note that many of those panels have random ovals scattered around, but those are snowflakes falling, not tracks in the snow. Check page 15 for the best example -- in panel 2 you see a bunch of people with no tracks around them, and in panel 5 (different view, same scene) you can see the snowflakes falling in front of the people. In panel 4 you see that some of the characters left tracks and some did not, so it's clearly not just an artistic oversight.
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Hey yeah, uh, I did that.
faflec said:
It's pretty difficult to give indisputable proof of snowwalking. The only real times snow exists in any quantifiable degree is during the Land of Iron arc, and Kishimoto is rather inconsistent with his drawing of footprints. So I dug up a situation where Kishimoto shows snow being disturbed by some individuals and not by others, in the same panel.

Naruto Manga 457, Page 7, top panel. Samui and her team have no footprints behind them, even though the snow is deep enough to be disturbed when A lands on it. No reason for footprints to not be drawn behind the Jonin team if Kishimoto took the time to draw snow effects behind A.

Note that the Raikage, i.e., the guy who willingly sets himself on fire with unquenchable black fire to bitchslap his enemy, has no reason to hide his trail (read: he doesn't give a fuck). But Samui and her team, being not badass Kage-level fighters, do have a good reason (to avoid conflict with potential enemies).

Dunno if this is sufficient evidence for you.
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But...either you guys didn't see my quote, or you did and decided that it didn't matter. Since, well...
OliWhail said:
Near the end of his watch, Hazou heard Mari-sensei getting up to take her turn. He turned away from the entryway to greet her, only to find her already making her way over. She sat down beside him and together they watched for a few quiet minutes as the snow fell gently outside, hiding their tracks.
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Velorien said:
Mari-sensei spun to face her. "Is something wrong? We're in a frozen deathtrap that makes Iron look comfy and hospitable, and you're asking if something's wrong? I can't step outside without getting snow in my hair, and my mouth, and my eyes, and all sorts of places where snow really, really doesn't belong. And even if I suck it up and try to get some fresh air anyway, I can't take a step without leaving tracks for every ninja in the fucking country to follow! And I let all this happen, when I could've put my foot down and made sure we were relaxing on some sunny tropical beach right now!"
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Velorien said:
I think we didn't see it. Certainly, I wouldn't have ignored actual empirical evidence. Sorry about that.
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Ahh, the irony of looking at anything Kishimoto has done and using it for empiricism.

I swear my priors for him are tilted so hard towards "Has no clue what he's actually doing for world building / consistently" that it takes a lot to convince me something isn't just a fluke.
 
Cariyaga said:
TBH a genin team assigned to a Chuunin member of team uplift would be as well taken care of as any jounin's team.
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Honestly it would probably be better to have Chunin teaching kids anyway, because they're less universally messed up. The problem is that Jonin are still better at keeping the kids alive in the event that it becomes necessary, so idk.
 
*drops head-first into the discussion without - probably - all the cues and expects to not mess too much*

Sentient Tree said:
Honestly it would probably be better to have Chunin teaching kids anyway, because they're less universally messed up. The problem is that Jonin are still better at keeping the kids alive in the event that it becomes necessary, so idk.
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I think - and I don't know if its fanon or not - that only teams expected to have at least one member become a jounin have a jounin-sensei.

As for the genin not in the jounin-track, I have 3 explanations in my head that are probably fanon.
1a: Teams of 3 genin get 1 chunin as an instructor both inside the village and leader outside of it
1b: To balance things out, and to catch any failure a lone chunin may do, they form teams of 2 genin and 2 chunin(unlikely, unless there are a lot more chunin than genin)

2a: A chunin leader outside the village, but otherwise a jounin that teaches all genin at the same time in some kind of Genin-Corps
2b: Same thing, only with a chunin doing the teaching

3: The genin are by themselves to learn and to find people to teach them things, and mostly get by by going to the library. Any mission outside the village they get a kind-of-but-not-really random chunin to go with them as a mission-leader.


In either case its VERY unlikely that all genin get Jounin-senseis.
 
Milpy said:
*drops head-first into the discussion without - probably - all the cues and expects to not mess too much*



I think - and I don't know if its fanon or not - that only teams expected to have at least one member become a jounin have a jounin-sensei.

As for the genin not in the jounin-track, I have 3 explanations in my head that are probably fanon.
1a: Teams of 3 genin get 1 chunin as an instructor both inside the village and leader outside of it
1b: To balance things out, and to catch any failure a lone chunin may do, they form teams of 2 genin and 2 chunin(unlikely, unless there are a lot more chunin than genin)

2a: A chunin leader outside the village, but otherwise a jounin that teaches all genin at the same time in some kind of Genin-Corps
2b: Same thing, only with a chunin doing the teaching

3: The genin are by themselves to learn and to find people to teach them things, and mostly get by by going to the library. Any mission outside the village they get a kind-of-but-not-really random chunin to go with them as a mission-leader.


In either case its VERY unlikely that all genin get Jounin-senseis.
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In MfD at least, you are correct that not every team gets a jounin-sensei.

Also, welcome! We're glad to have you here!

And to everyone, happy christmas or indeterminate holidays! Have fun with your family and friends or just hanging out at home in the good cheer of the online!
 
Milpy said:
*drops head-first into the discussion without - probably - all the cues and expects to not mess too much*



I think - and I don't know if its fanon or not - that only teams expected to have at least one member become a jounin have a jounin-sensei.

As for the genin not in the jounin-track, I have 3 explanations in my head that are probably fanon.
1a: Teams of 3 genin get 1 chunin as an instructor both inside the village and leader outside of it
1b: To balance things out, and to catch any failure a lone chunin may do, they form teams of 2 genin and 2 chunin(unlikely, unless there are a lot more chunin than genin)

2a: A chunin leader outside the village, but otherwise a jounin that teaches all genin at the same time in some kind of Genin-Corps
2b: Same thing, only with a chunin doing the teaching

3: The genin are by themselves to learn and to find people to teach them things, and mostly get by by going to the library. Any mission outside the village they get a kind-of-but-not-really random chunin to go with them as a mission-leader.


In either case its VERY unlikely that all genin get Jounin-senseis.
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I think the Genin population is split between "People who only do paperwork or guard duty now because (reasons)." , "Recent graduates." and "Potentially promising ninja who have survived their first year or two for (reasons), that may be lumped into the first category depending on circumstances."

With the population of ninja that we have IIRC, its impossible that every three ninja squad gets a Jounin for a sensei. Some genin squads probably have Chunin, and a decent portion probably aren't in three man squads anymore.
 
Milpy said:
In either case its VERY unlikely that all genin get Jounin-senseis.
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Welcome, new person! Nice to have you. How did you find out about us?

As to the genin thing -- there are dozens of jōnin in Leaf and hundreds of genin, so it's not numerically possible for every squad to have a jōnin leader.

Also: happy holiday if your choice, everyone. I hope you are enjoying it.
 
eaglejarl said:
Welcome, new person! Nice to have you. How did you find out about us?

As to the genin thing -- there are dozens of jōnin in Leaf and hundreds of genin, so it's not numerically possible for every squad to have a jōnin leader.
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Well, technically, if there were multiple genin squads to a single jounin...
 
eaglejarl said:
Welcome, new person! Nice to have you. How did you find out about us?

As to the genin thing -- there are dozens of jōnin in Leaf and hundreds of genin, so it's not numerically possible for every squad to have a jōnin leader.

Also: happy holiday if your choice, everyone. I hope you are enjoying it.
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Well, I've already tried to read it once upon a time, but I wasn't all that into realistic-plots with actual consequences so I didn't even read it all that much (I was still in the first 10 or so chapters).

Then, this last few days I was bored and since this fic was a lot of times within the first 3 pages of the forum, I decided to give it a real shot(plus the mood for a more serious fic). So, here we are.

Don't expect to see me all that much, though, because I have a case of Chronic Lurker. Tip: I always answer if I am quoted or cited, so if you want to say something to me in-thread, you MUST cite/quote me, otherwise I'll likely not read or respond it.

Cariyaga said:
Well, technically, if there were multiple genin squads to a single jounin...
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Which is why I gave the 2a explanation
 
Kiba said:
That's more on his editors than him, though?
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While my knowledge is highly limited, I get the impression that the editors' job was more "make it sell more copies" and less "improve its quality as a work of fiction" (though of course there is overlap between the two). An interview linked a while back mentioned that Kishimoto wanted a longer story of Team Seven going on various ninja missions, but his editors forced him to drop it in favour of a more exciting Chuunin Exam which would introduce interesting new characters.
 
Velorien said:
While my knowledge is highly limited, I get the impression that the editors' job was more "make it sell more copies" and less "improve its quality as a work of fiction" (though of course there is overlap between the two). An interview linked a while back mentioned that Kishimoto wanted a longer story of Team Seven going on various ninja missions, but his editors forced him to drop it in favour of a more exciting Chuunin Exam which would introduce interesting new characters.
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I might have actually liked that. The early arcs were pretty interesting, and it could have benefited from the greater amount of low-intensity worldbuilding.
 
In all the discussion of genin teams with one jonin-sensei, I've been thinking; do chunin work with jonin in teams to learn from them? It seems like it would be a good idea if the jonin numbers support it. Something like a team of one jonin and two chunin working together to handle various missions that aren't suited to genin.
 
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