Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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But that still doesn't clear up the whole "outlier" bit for me.
Even setting aside the fact that Ami got more screen time and was basically hailed as a prodigy IC and as a female Itachi in the thread as a meme, how would a Kurosawa stand out as a very young girl (presumably somewhere around age 4-6 since a quick Google search says something about 7 being an adequate age to learn cartwheels for real life non-chakra using humans)?
For the Mori you could probably tell by the indiviual being able to either control the FS at a young age without losing herself (hence why I latched to the freezing bit, something a guy who married into the Mori clan would obviously also be able recognize) or by her driven/upbeat personality which contrasts with the usual Mori apathy.
But for a Kurosawa? Mastery in the Iron Nerve, I guess?
But Ren was still a Chuunin when her sister overtook her and became a Jounin so martial aspects of the IN could not have been the outlier that Ryugamine saw. The other aspect of the IN would be diplomacy but it seems like a stretch to judge such a young girl about not only how good of a diplomat she would become (one that is better than the Kurosawa mean to boot).
And unlike the Mori, Kurosawa personalities are considered "normal" so a sociable Kurosawa would not exactly stand out from the masses.
And a distant third option of IN mastery would be sealing (and something I am sure Ryugamine would be aware of even as a Kurosawa secret because he is the jashin damned Battoman) but again, I have hard time seeing this.
All of this gets even more confusing when you consider that if Ren is thruly outlier, then how did Hana ever manage replace her as clan heir?
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@Velorien complains about losing sleep, writes an interlude like this. Truly, great art is borne of suffering.
Does this mean we should only give @eaglejarl talky plans without punching?
Does this mean we should only give @eaglejarl talky plans without punching?
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An op-amp is a really effective tool for various analog circuit purposes.
1. Amplification. One unit goes in, ten units go out. Half unit goes in, five units go out. It's really well behaved and pretty much entirely dependent on the feedback resistance, over a wide range of input and output levels.
2. Buffering. One unit goes in, one unit goes out. But, instead of draining power from the source signal, any load you're driving pulls power from the op-amp, and the op-amp can drive all sorts of loads well without diminishing the output.
3. Comparison. If the left signal is higher, output min voltage. If the right signal is higher, output max voltage.
4. Filtering. This needs a capacitor or inductor in electronics. Low frequencies get fed through the op-amp essentially, high frequencies get effectively shorted through the cap, you wind up with a signal without the high frequency noise.
5. Oscillators. You can generate a sinusoidal wave of pretty high quality with the parameters you want.
6. Integrators and differentiators. This opens up the ability to build PIV controllers, which are really useful.
7. If we can build a chakra capacitor but not a chakra inductor, we can use an op-amp to simulate an inductor.
Source: wikipedia to refresh my memory, electrical engineering undergrad education
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Sure, you could build an analog computer with them, if you had the patience to draw out enough of them in a (probably very large) seal. Or make things that are less functional than general computers but have a degree of adaptability to them, like the functions you've mentioned above. But what would you actually build?
Why would you think it would be a very large seal? It should be a set of composable seals.
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Thank you for the update Velorien.
A ninja-themed DOOM emulator. duh.
A ninja-themed DOOM emulator. duh.
Ok, easy example. Component that converts sound to chakra signal. Op-amp for a straightforward amplifier. Chakra speaker. You've just made a chakra-powered megaphone.
Or you could build an analog computer fire control system. Inputs are range, rate of change of range, angular velocity from observer. Output is firing power, angles, and time to detonation for an explosive tag. Now you have something that can send accurate fire downrange at long ranges without extensive training. It's waaay more complicated than the megaphone, but it's feasible to math out and tune.
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That was awesome! Quite a rollercoaster. I was sure she'd be Mori right up until he said he was engaged to a Mori (I had forgotten the relevant names).
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Ryuugamine: "Angel of Mercy? I have not been called that in... a long time."
*: up to the limits of the power rails you've hooked it to
E: In trying to ID exactly what the correct term for Kei & Ami's relationship is to the other big Mori players, it has come to my attention that I despise the English language even more than I previously thought.
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*shrugs*
I think you're looking in too deeply to that offhand remark. It has to be one of their kids.
You don't say
Unless it is.
By the way @Velorien , that one hit like a speeding train. Those are exactly the thoughts dancing between two people in this scenario.
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Gah, why do the Mori have to be so much better than the Kurosawa. It's not fair how stupid the Kurosawa are!
Emstar
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INDRA: Hi, welcome to the extended family! Over there is your bullshit bloodline, and to the left we have "enough crazy to shake a stick at" ! Enjoy your stay.
???: What is that?
INDRA: The voices don't stop screaming.
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This name is not nearly long enough. BEHOLD! The name of a true hero!
Jugemu Jugemu Gokō-no surikire Kaijarisuigyo-no Suigyōmatsu Unraimatsu Fūraimatsu Kūnerutokoro-ni Sumutokoro Yaburakōji-no burakōji Paipopaipo Paipo-no-shūringan Shūringan-no Gūrindai Gūrindai-no Ponpokopī-no Ponpokonā-no Chōkyūmei-no Chōsuke
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...And I didn't disagree with that part, did I?
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The outlier bits are repeating theme throughout the interlude. We have a mention about outlier children in the opening and closing paragraph which to me says this is something we should be paying attention to.
Regardless of whether it's Ren or Hana that's been referred to at the end, this seems like an important clue about their characterization that we haven't yet seen - or overlooked in a previous update.
Considering that Hazou could be one of those outlier children mentioned at the start, it would make a lot more sense narratively - which yes, is probably not as strong as a force in a rational quest - that it would be Hana mentioned at the end instead of Ren to emphasize some of the cyclical/repeating events.
(My first pick of Ami would have worked similarly with her and Keiko but that didn't work out due to Ami being too young/having the wrong parents.)
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Emstar
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You seem to be arguing a decent amount that the description (at least tonally) fits Ami more.
I think that might be possible absent any context.
So if we meet with the Mori clan, we can now get to know Ami and The Angel Without Mercy.
Can't wait!
Can you hear that noise?
It's the sound of my forehead hitting my desk.
Emstar
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Have you tried applying explosives?
Yes, but now my desk is in ruins and my PTJ and GS broke.
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You 5SBed your computer, then? Smart. Don't want any stinkers blowing up your sealing diagrams.
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I'm not sure what you mean by that, but if you were drawing out a computer component by component of any significant complexity you'd need a lot of paper pretty quickly no matter how small your handwriting and how simple the seal diagram for each component. Even a fairly simple function like a small arithmetic adder calls for a few dozen transistor equivalents, and that's in digital logic. I don't even know how much worse analog logic would be.
I don't think explosive tags accept variable timing inputs, but maybe with logic you could build one that varied according to how much chakra was used to infuse it or something.