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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Cariyaga said:
Seems good to me. If/when we get around to timeskipping, will there
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If and when that happens, we'll look into it.

Cariyaga said:
May not be something you'd wanna do, but I thought it'd be worth bringing up.
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My concern is only that it requires too much QM judgement, therefore providing a source of player frustration. ("Hey, this thing that we don't like happened and you didn't call in our token to prevent it!")

MMKII said:
@eaglejarl @OliWhail @Velorien

Does Hana (Kiba's sister) exist in MfD -verse?
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We hadn't talked about it one way or the other. Why?

MadScientist said:
This isn't a "flip it upside down" thing, this is their blatantly obvious intended purpose. I think everyone is already doing all their commerce with storage scrolls, they just aren't doing much commerce.
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People do use storage scrolls for trade -- see the "Meating Mist" interlude. There are also caravans that can't / don't want to pay for ninja, and they obviously do not have storage scrolls. See that caravan back in Iron right before the Liberator.

MMKII said:
So a shitty 5SB (only one seal) should be workable. You probably don't get the "Locked to the earth" part of it but still.
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After I wrote that, the other QMs pointed out to me that I was wrong and that there needed to be at least one support seal remaining, because if you take down all four of the support seals then the effect stops. I should have / will change that in the update.

KaGoGoGadgetMe said:
Does MfD Tenten use the same kind of weapons scrolls she does in canon?
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Not that you've seen.
 
MadScientist said:
I agree. I think the problem isn't that the kage can't do commerce easily because they somehow forgot storage scrolls exist, but rather that they don't want to do much commerce.
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It's dangerous to attribute too much of economics to the decisions of political leaders when much of it is the product of emergent systems they only indirectly control. What the kage do or don't want doesn't necessarily clearly connect with what happens trade-wise.
 
Briefvoice said:
It's dangerous to attribute too much of economics to the decisions of political leaders when much of it is the product of emergent systems they only indirectly control. What the kage do or don't want doesn't necessarily clearly connect with what happens trade-wise.
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What the kage want in a vacuum isn't the same as what they want because their economic advisors said things would fall apart otherwise.
 
I could have sworn there was a scene where Keiko sees Tenten vanish a weapon and replace it. She explains that changing weapons out is a weapons specialist's weakpoint.
 
MadScientist said:
What the kage want in a vacuum isn't the same as what they want because their economic advisors said things would fall apart otherwise.
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  • Kages don't have economic advisors, let alone working theories of economics
  • The closest thing to economic advisors is the Merchant Council, which is highly conservative, and is the model adopted by most villages
  • Before the village system, ninja were pretty much all roving mercenary bands, and there is no such thing as a clanless ninja.
  • The village system existed only for around hundred year, giving relative stability for economic development.
  • Even then, the EN occasionally erupted into full scale warfare every one or two generations.
 
Kiba said:
  • Kages don't have economic advisors, let alone working theories of economics
  • The closest thing to economic advisors is the Merchant Council, which is highly conservative, and is the model adopted by most villages
  • Before the village system, ninja were pretty much all roving mercenary bands, and there is no such thing as a clanless ninja.
  • The village system existed only for around hundred year, giving relative stability for economic development.
  • Even then, the EN occasionally erupted into full scale warfare every one or two generations.
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FALSE

In canon the Kages DO have economic advisors!

Sarutobi has a crystal ball :p
 
International trade as % of world GDP:



3% in the 1500s, 10-20% in the 1800s, 10% in the 1930s-40s, 50% now.

Storage scrolls and ninja make this world kinda like the 1800s in sheer transport capacity, but don't forget it's a wartorn deathworld where probably a huge majority of the economy is in basic agriculture.
 
MadScientist said:
I've seen no evidence to support this.
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I suppose it depends on what you mean by "economic advisor". I'm sure they have someone in charge of the treasury and people who try to track the village's income and such.

Working economic theories? Ideas about the role tariffs should pay beyond "how much money can we make from this"? Tracking how much trade actually happens? Ehhhhh.
 
I would point out that in the "Meating Mist" interlude, the ninja seemed to consider it odd that the merchant didn't have a cart. If this is commonly done, then would that make sense?

Also, cars were a thing that were around for a while before Henry Ford really made it feasible for them to be used for all of the things we do today. Before he started driving down the cost and increasing production, they were mostly a rich person toy. A little organization can go a long way.
 
MadScientist said:
E: The Nara and Mori clans in particular are implied to have the mathematical background for it, and the Mori are doing something pwith coins (perhaps monitoring currency strength).
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If I recall, there is a strong implication that it's just a code/dead drop. The coins themselves are just a medium.

It gives us no information about what data is being transmitted .
 
MadScientist said:
Good maths is one of things you need for economics. If they have good maths then they're therefore more likely to have economics.
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Um. No?

Economic is a sociological field of study, not a branch of mathematic. Understanding things like division of labor isn't a concept that required much math, if any at all.
 
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Kiba said:
Um. No?

Economic is a sociological field of study, not a branch of mathematic. Understanding things like division of labor isn't a concept that required much math, if any at all.
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Modern economic theory uses a buttload of real and functional analysis. You need calculus to do anything.
 
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