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I think I'll move the Alane convo to the night after with J. Any objections?
 
Why did we not gain much XP in the wild? It's a combination of factors:

1) Novelty: Living in the wild stopped being novel after your fifty chakra beast kill or so.
2) Difficulty: It stopped being hard for us to live in the wild.
3) Learning: Ultimately, we have limited access to teachers and textbooks. We learned only from one sealmaster and only from one infiltrator.
 
Rough draft of plan
Am amicable to edits (I don't... really care so much about the Akane thing. At least I dont think its a priority.)


Word Count: 394
[X] Action Plan: Get the Ball Rolling.


After dinner
  • Hazou will ask Noburi and/or Jiraiya for girl advice.
    • Hazou explains the (now fixed) Akane Situation to each of them.
    • Hazou is very glad that Akane is dispelled of any thoughts of them "Never being friends." and is really glad that his response of "They will always be friends." seemed to fix the issue.
    • He asks for advice on how to better navigate such complex social situations.
Next day
  • Meet Ebisu
    • Train Alertness based stuff.
    • Have him run you ragged.
    • Get some jutsu.
Next Evening: Hazou talks to Jiraiya
  • We have some ideas.
  • Caravan Scroll Proposal:
    • Decently sized caravans equipped with large amounts of storage scrolls would be able to transport trade goods overland very quickly and in very large amounts.
      • This is doubly true if we (Kagome, Jiraiya, and Hazou) can work on a much larger capacity (volume/mass) storage scroll variant.
      • Even better if we just have ninjas carry it all at a sprint.
      • We should put a decent amount of effort into making such a seal if its reasonably viable.
    • Could mitigate or even solve the trade issues Jiraiya talked about yesterday.
    • This may also provide us a good in with the Merchant Council if we provide them first opportunity on lucrative trades, and are the first to outfit them with a large amount of storage scrolls very cheaply.
  • Clan Head Votes(Is there anything Hazou specifically can do about the following?)
    • Tsunade can take up the mantle of the Senju clan head, and could leverage support for Jiraiya's reign.
      • In exchange for her support, you can agree to commit some resources on areas (medical,research, relief work) she wants to focus on.
      • This is potentially a great short term gain, for what may be a long term annoyance or inconvenience.
      • Perhaps Hazou can melt her heart with his painful sincerity?
      • Or maybe Noburi could inspire her?
    • Sasuke
      • He is currently the Uchiha Clan Head, correct?
      • Is there any way we can secure the Uchiha vote? Maybe play off the Hyuga/Uchiha rivalry?
Misc:
  • Hazou and Kagome do more Casino Seal research
  • Hazou spends any free time refilling seal loadouts as per this list
  • Ask Noburi if he would be okay with topping off Jiraiya's chakra to maximize his SC usage.
    • Ask him inside the compound (OPSEC!)
    • It's okay if he isn't, thats why we're asking him first.

Critique:

After dinner
  • Hazou will ask Noburi and/or Jiraiya for girl advice.
    • Hazou explains the (now fixed) Akane Situation to each of them.
    • Hazou is very glad that Akane is dispelled of any thoughts of them "Never being friends." and is really glad that his response of "They will always be friends." seemed to fix the issue.
    • He asks for advice on how to better navigate such complex social situations.

This is fine.

Next day
  • Meet Ebisu
    • Train Alertness based stuff.
    • Have him run you ragged.
    • Get some jutsu.

Please don't put what we want to train in an action plan. Even if I agree, it should go in a training plan to be voted on separately. The second point is a waste of wordcount, Ebisu will train us however he sees fit, he's the expert teacher here. Third point is fine, although the QMs are still looking for jutsu proposals.

Next Evening: Hazou talks to Jiraiya
  • We have some ideas.
  • Caravan Scroll Proposal:
    • Decently sized caravans equipped with large amounts of storage scrolls would be able to transport trade goods overland very quickly and in very large amounts.
      • This is doubly true if we (Kagome, Jiraiya, and Hazou) can work on a much larger capacity (volume/mass) storage scroll variant.
      • Even better if we just have ninjas carry it all at a sprint.
      • We should put a decent amount of effort into making such a seal if its reasonably viable.
    • Could mitigate or even solve the trade issues Jiraiya talked about yesterday.
    • This may also provide us a good in with the Merchant Council if we provide them first opportunity on lucrative trades, and are the first to outfit them with a large amount of storage scrolls very cheaply.
  • Clan Head Votes(Is there anything Hazou specifically can do about the following?)
    • Tsunade can take up the mantle of the Senju clan head, and could leverage support for Jiraiya's reign.
      • In exchange for her support, you can agree to commit some resources on areas (medical,research, relief work) she wants to focus on.
      • This is potentially a great short term gain, for what may be a long term annoyance or inconvenience.
      • Perhaps Hazou can melt her heart with his painful sincerity?
      • Or maybe Noburi could inspire her?
    • Sasuke
      • He is currently the Uchiha Clan Head, correct?
      • Is there any way we can secure the Uchiha vote? Maybe play off the Hyuga/Uchiha rivalry?

SARCASTIC JIRAIYA VOICE: Oh wow, I never would have thought of using storage scrolls to transport things, or getting potential political allies to support me. It's not like I'm a sealmaster or a politician or anything.

Misc:
  • Hazou and Kagome do more Casino Seal research
  • Hazou spends any free time refilling seal loadouts as per this list
  • Ask Noburi if he would be okay with topping off Jiraiya's chakra to maximize his SC usage.
    • Ask him inside the compound (OPSEC!)
    • It's okay if he isn't, thats why we're asking him first.

Kagome wants to work with Jiraiya, so we might want to include him in this. Seals are good. The Noburi part is good. Maybe add in Ami-style training.
 
SARCASTIC JIRAIYA VOICE: Oh wow, I never would have thought of using storage scrolls to transport things, or getting potential political allies to support me. It's not like I'm a sealmaster or a politician or anything.
DEADPAN HAZOU: Cough cough Upside-down Air Domes cough cough

I dont actually see a problem with this. You can argue that without Super Large Storage Scroll its difficult, but it shouldnt be impossible. If Jiraiya is like "Yeah so Problem X is why that cannot be done." we just return to the issue after cutting the prophecy off at all possible points of intervention making sure we think things over in more detail.

Its efficient trade, not flight or necromancy. It shouldnt be overwhelmingly difficult.
 
DEADPAN HAZOU: Cough cough Upside-down Air Domes cough cough

I dont actually see a problem with this. You can argue that without Super Large Storage Scroll its difficult, but it shouldnt be impossible. If Jiraiya is like "Yeah so Problem X is why that cannot be done." we just return to the issue after cutting the prophecy off at all possible points of intervention making sure we think things over in more detail.

Its efficient trade, not flight or necromancy. It shouldnt be overwhelmingly difficult.

I was talking more about the "Decently sized caravans equipped with large amounts of storage scrolls would be able to transport trade goods overland very quickly and in very large amounts." part, tbh. This seems so blatantly obvious that I would be horrified if every village wasn't already using storage scrolls to transport their goods.

E: we don't even need large scrolls, just a genin team carrying backpacks full of the basic ones.
 
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Why did this not happen before?

Before the village systems, ninja were pretty much roving bands of mercenaries, and commerce did not thrive that much because ninja are always constantly at war and war are bad for business.
 
I was talking more about the "Decently sized caravans equipped with large amounts of storage scrolls would be able to transport trade goods overland very quickly and in very large amounts." part, tbh. This seems so blatantly obvious that I would be horrified if every village wasn't already using storage scrolls to transport their goods.

E: we don't even need large scrolls, just a genin team carrying backpacks full of the basic ones.
Ah I see. I will change the wording there, it makes it seem like I'm suggesting caravan caravans and not like, half a dozen ninja carrying backpacks filled with storage scrolls.

Right.

Meh, the nuclear option is just having everything being traded on the 7th path through a network of summoners. If we cant fix the HOLY PANGOLIN EMPIRE could at least put it to work stopping another world war.
 
Hey, you know how Hazou is often carrying around 500+ seals? And how storage scrolls carry a volume of 1m3​? If a genin squad and their chunin sensei each carried 500 storage seals, that means they can transport two cubic kilometers of goods. Which is more than I expect Leaf to have, to be honest.

I can't imagine Jiraiya isn't already using storage scrolls for whatever commerce he's doing, and I think he'll get grumpy at us for suggesting it. Maybe just ask "Hey just to double check, you are using storage scrolls for commerce, right?" or something along those lines.
 
Hey, you know how Hazou is often carrying around 500+ seals? And how storage scrolls carry a volume of 1m3​? If a genin squad and their chunin sensei each carried 500 storage seals, that means they can transport two cubic kilometers of goods. Which is more than I expect Leaf to have, to be honest.

I can't imagine Jiraiya isn't already using storage scrolls for whatever commerce he's doing, and I think he'll get grumpy at us for suggesting it. Maybe just ask "Hey just to double check, you are using storage scrolls for commerce, right?" or something along those lines.

Uh, no. The world would look drastically different than they already are.
 
Hey, you know how Hazou is often carrying around 500+ seals? And how storage scrolls carry a volume of 1m3​? If a genin squad and their chunin sensei each carried 500 storage seals, that means they can transport two cubic kilometers of goods. Which is more than I expect Leaf to have, to be honest.

I can't imagine Jiraiya isn't already using storage scrolls for whatever commerce he's doing, and I think he'll get grumpy at us for suggesting it. Maybe just ask "Hey just to double check, you are using storage scrolls for commerce, right?" or something along those lines.
I can reword the whole thing to be more diplomatic but TBH if theyre using storage scrolls in this number OOM-wise then trade is just a non issue. A sprinting ninja can outrun most means of transport except for possibly a ship with a strong wind behind it.

It could be something like "That gosh darn Merchant Council again! They want civilians to accompany caravans because they dont trust ninja and want representation! Or else, they embargo you!"

In which case: Fuck those guys, buy the resources off 'em and go behind their backs, and make sure they dont find out (ninja).
 
Hey, just to check something...

SC is high clearance, village security level Opsec, right? And J used one to communicate and interact with the other Kage while in a rush, right? Should we be concerned? Not that there's anything we can do about it. It seems like it's probably okay, since I don't think anything there gave away the important part of SC, but I thought it might be worth bringing up?

Certainly the irony of J giving away details of SC while trying to contain an issue with nature chakra would be entertaining if it wasn't the sort of thing that might get us all killed.
 
Hey, just to check something...

SC is high clearance, village security level Opsec, right? And J used one to communicate and interact with the other Kage while in a rush, right? Should we be concerned? Not that there's anything we can do about it. It seems like it's probably okay, since I don't think anything there gave away the important part of SC, but I thought it might be worth bringing up?

Certainly the irony of J giving away details of SC while trying to contain an issue with nature chakra would be entertaining if it wasn't the sort of thing that might get us all killed.
I took that to mean the intricacies of SC.

I think enemy Kage would have intel on the existence of the technique. Naruto at least is famed for using it.
 
Our current hypothesis for why this isn't done is a major shortage of sealmasters (30 in leaf would have the world look much different) and most people just selling them off individually.

This doesn't look like a world with really large scale intervillage trade.
 
More edits:
Rough draft of plan
Am amicable to edits (I don't... really care so much about the Akane thing. At least I dont think its a priority.)


Word Count: 390
[X] Action Plan: Get the Ball Rolling.


After dinner
  • Hazou will ask Noburi for girl advice.
    • Hazou explains the (now fixed) Akane Situation to each of them.
    • Hazou is very glad that Akane is dispelled of any thoughts of them "Never being friends." and is really glad that his response of "They will always be friends." seemed to fix the issue.
    • He asks for advice on how to better navigate such complex social situations.
Next day
  • Meet Ebisu
    • Train
    • Get some jutsu.
Next Evening: Hazou talks to Jiraiya
  • We have some ideas on international trade/clan politics.
  • Trade Idea: Caravan Scroll Proposal:
    • Ninja convoys equipped with large amounts of storage scrolls
      • By the way, is that a thing at the moment sir?
    • Able to transport trade goods overland very quickly and in very large amounts.
      • This is doubly true if we (Kagome, Jiraiya, and Hazou) can work on a much larger capacity (volume/mass) storage scroll variant.
    • Could mitigate or even solve the trade issues Jiraiya talked about yesterday.
    • This may also provide us a good in with the Merchant Council if we provide them first opportunity on lucrative trades, and are the first to outfit them with a large amount of storage scrolls very cheaply.
  • Clan Head Votes(Is there anything Hazou specifically can do about the following?)
    • Tsunade can take up the mantle of the Senju clan head, and could leverage support for Jiraiya's reign.
      • In exchange for her support, you can agree to commit some resources on areas (medical,research, relief work) she wants to focus on.
      • This is potentially a great short term gain, for what may be a long term annoyance or inconvenience.
      • Perhaps Hazou can melt her heart with his painful sincerity?
      • Or maybe Noburi could inspire her?
    • Sasuke
      • He is currently the Uchiha Clan Head, correct?
      • Is there any way we can secure the Uchiha vote? Maybe play off the Hyuga/Uchiha rivalry?
  • Unrelated
    • Ask Jiraiya (Master of the romantic arts!) for advice on the Akane situation.
      • Approach as done with Noburi (see above)
Misc:
  • Hazou,Kagome, and Jiraiya do more Casino Seal research
  • Hazou spends any free time refilling seal loadouts as per this list
  • Ask Noburi if he would be okay with topping off Jiraiya's chakra to maximize his SC usage.
    • Ask him inside the compound (OPSEC!)
    • It's okay if he isn't, thats why we're asking him first.

The jutsu are coming I swear.
 
Propose creative trainings (Ami-style)
Sure.

Also, lets dust off some of our old research ideas, shall we?

"One seal version of Five-Seal Barrier...hm." He looked up into the trees, mind scurrying down all the potential research routes. "Hm." Scurry, scurry. "Maybe. It sorta works now—once you've set up a Five Seal you can take the outer four seals down without breaking the Barrier, it just makes the protection weaker." He tapped a finger on the scroll thoughtfully, looking for reasons it would be impossible. "You could probably come up with a version that didn't need the four external seals to be established, as long as you didn't mind that the protection wasn't any stronger than the central seal could allow."
So a shitty 5SB (only one seal) should be workable. You probably don't get the "Locked to the earth" part of it but still.
He let his finger drift down. "Movable Force Wall. Yeah. Lock it to the tags instead of in place. Yeah. Should be doable. Probably cut your own fingers off, though. Like grabbing an invisible knife that you can't see and probably isn't where you thought it was because the world is like that and it hates us. Not sure about doing it with only one seal; there wouldn't be anything to define the boundaries." He closed his eyes to better visualize the forces that were present in a Wall. He let himself take one moment to enjoy the ability to close his eyes and know that his team—his team!—was keeping watch while he wasn't. Only one moment, then he forced his brain back on task.

The Force Wall was projected from one tag to another; what would it even mean to construct a wall between two non-existent seals? Still, the top and bottom weren't physically constrained...of course that was because they automatically stopped at the point where the chakra that composed the surface of the wall was smooth and in balance, which happened when it was of equal size on perpendicular axes around the center. Still...maybe you could use that principle to your advantage? Have a single seal, push chakra out in one direction and let the 'stretchiness' take care of expanding it in the other directions? You'd end up with something off balance and unstable which could easily explode into tiny shards of invisible chakra that would turn you into mulch. Of course, that wasn't necessarily the worst thing, and maybe you could stabilize it by pushing in more than one direction...?
We should look into Force Wall variants. ForceSaber anyone? Imagine the hell Hana could rain down with those.

"What about just creating a single wall of a predetermined shape?" Hazou asked. "Take all the flexibility out of it and just make it do one single thing?"

"Well, sure," Kagome said. "That's pretty much just a storage scroll, except you're using more chakra and condensing it into a solid." He sniffed. "That's not what you asked for, though. MEW does more than that. If all you wanted was one wall you should have said that you just wanted one wall. Precision. I keep telling you, it's all about precision."
We should be able to do Earth Wall Seal the same way we did Earth Dome seal. Have Genin go around and wall up hamlets to protect from chakra monsters.

"I said almost!" Kagome snapped, glaring. "Almost! Like, I can imagine it, it's just really hard. Like, really really hard. Crazy, in fact. Still. See, what we do is we start with that seal that makes a flash of light and we make it shine steadily instead. Then we see if we can change the color without making it turn everything within twenty meters green and furry. Then make two colors at once. Then...." He kept going, ticking off point after point on his long, ink-stained fingers. Sure, it would probably take a few years, but it should be—

"That's great, sensei!" Hazou said. "What about the specific ideas?"
We can probably bootstrap Casino seal variants into detection seals.
"Hm? Oh, right." Skim, skim. "Multiple items in one storage seal and pop them out one at a time? Hm. Need to have a connection between them to pull them in all at once, and then how would you dispense them one by one? No time inside a storage seal, so you couldn't have a connection that expired while it was inside. Hm. Maybe if the whole group had a series of chakra-based connections, set to expire a few seconds apart? You seal the whole group, unseal the whole thing and the first connection expires, then you immediately reseal everything that's still connected. Maybe. Not sure, might just be impossible. Scrolls with more storage space? Yeah, that's doable. You see those sometimes, it's just usually easier if they're all standardized."
Greater capacity storage seals exist and are doable. Gimme!

But really, we should work on making the largest capacity storage seal possible.
 
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