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Find less mentally unhinged summons and trade with them? Maybe the Slugs and the Monkeys aren't shit?
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Find less mentally unhinged summons and trade with them? Maybe the Slugs and the Monkeys aren't shit?
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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After we create permanent paths to the Seventh path in a few decades i guess?
Because we can totally accomplish all our plans without being filthy rich.
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- Potato land
That... that sounds suspiciously like virtue ethics.
LUPCHANZ! GIVE BACK VECHT YOU STINKERS!
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- The Void
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- She/Her
Oh I agree that we need to become filthy rich. Just that there are better ways to do it. I'm personally a fan of selling through the Yakuza. They will probably demand less of a cut
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- Huezil
Except we aren't civilians, we are ninja, and fuinjutsu as the name says on the tin, is ninja tech.
We don't need permanent paths? That will help scale it up to global levels, but we could take a bunch of animal control missions right now and start throwing pangolins at them in a self-sustaining eradication effort. Kei is only limited by chakra and cooperative pangolins, and if the pangolins involved are snagging chakra for her while putting food on the table back home one would expect plenty of volunteers. Even without shadow clones the only real limit is when the pangolins spend more chakra traveling to the nearest prey concentrations than they yield in prey.
Nevertheless, the entity demanding the seal donation doesn't actually have the power to grant nor rescind licenses. It has other bludgeons to wield, but the status of the license is unrelated to the donation because the entire point of the Merchant Council is to be able to tell the Tower, "hey, that's our turf, back off."
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Anyone remember how many ninja there are in Leaf? If we're giving away 6000 seals a year, and there are 600 ninja (total guess), that's 10 seals/year/capita that "everyone" gets free (ofc. it won't be so distributed). Assuming we aren't getting totally screwed (which I'm not sure about), and knowing about the economics, this lets us intuit the number of sealmasters in Konoha, which seems like it can't really be more than... 10 or so.
@Velorien @eaglejarl
What are Tower/Market rates for seals? And how do these compare to mission payments?
Basically what I'm asking is: "Is it more cost effective for us to spend all day making seals, or to go out on A rank cleanse this area of chakra beasts missions?"
What are Tower/Market rates for seals? And how do these compare to mission payments?
Basically what I'm asking is: "Is it more cost effective for us to spend all day making seals, or to go out on A rank cleanse this area of chakra beasts missions?"
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- Huezil
Except we are selling a military asset in the civil market, so even if we have a civil regulatory board giving us the license to sell on civil market, we still depend on the military controller to authorize us to actually sell on the civil market, because it's a military asset and we live on dictatorship.
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-which would seem to suggest that a sealmaster would be expected to donate 500 explosive seals during each month in which they were selling explosives rather than that the license would be revoked and need to be reapplied for if a month were skipped. Again, it wasn't the Tower's license that the team was waiting on.
I will point out that the donation requirement is making us reconsider whether or not we want to keep the license, and that if we decide it's not worth it then Leaf loses out on 500 seals/month. 1000/month including Kagome.
Given that Leaf want those 1000 seals/month, it's probably still worth it.
Given that Leaf want those 1000 seals/month, it's probably still worth it.
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I want to give Leaf the seals, but we need to start looking at alternatives so that we don't have to sell any additional seals.
Mist didn't have a Merchant council during Yagura's time, even if Ren creates one, maybe we can make some good deals for us? (Also bind Mist and Leaf economically together?)
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
- At least one version of the Nightlight seal only took one minute to draw because it was extremely simple. Even if that was the retconned version, it suggests the QMs don't view scribing time as a universal constant.
- This isn't nearly the fist time we've talked about using the Iron Nerve to consistently improve our scribing speed for certain seals. The QMs have even weighed in before, and while they didn't make any commitments one way or another they were open to the concept.
- The way we'd be doing this is purchasing a Stunt that lets us try to make a significantly more difficult Calligraphy check in order to draw the seal faster. With the Iron Nerve on our side if we get it right once we can do it consistently, but even then it's only really explosives that are both easy enough that we can expect to make the harsher Calligraphy check and drawn in bulk enough that it's worth it to make faster.
Emstar
The Shining One
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This is absolutely short term unstable income.
We just need positive cash flow so we can get other oppurtunities started.
Previous fermi estimate was 30 sealmasters in Leaf, which was confirmed by QMs.
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When I first read the license, I figured it was a license for the Goketsu clan to sell seals, not for the individual sealmasters in the clan to do so.
The obvious workaround is for Hazō to scribe Kagome's (or Jiraiya's, if willing) seals for him to infuse, and maintain only one license.
The obvious workaround is for Hazō to scribe Kagome's (or Jiraiya's, if willing) seals for him to infuse, and maintain only one license.
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@Velorien @eaglejarl @OliWhail
Just to summarise the current argument for you.
Assume we aren't getting screwed.
Conclusion: seals should be basically free in the quantities that Haruno was screaming about. Presumably chūnin and up have a disproportionate share, so 300 seals on one ninja should be an everyday occurrence.
If our license is for both H+K, the numbers halve. It's still a fuckton.
This is a contradiction, so one of the premises is false. Thus we conclude that we're getting screwed.
Just to summarise the current argument for you.
Assume we aren't getting screwed.
30 sealmasters in Leaf × 6000 seals/year/sealmaster = 180000 seals/year
180000 seals/year ÷ 1500 ninja = 120 seals/year
180000 seals/year ÷ 1500 ninja = 120 seals/year
Conclusion: seals should be basically free in the quantities that Haruno was screaming about. Presumably chūnin and up have a disproportionate share, so 300 seals on one ninja should be an everyday occurrence.
If our license is for both H+K, the numbers halve. It's still a fuckton.
This is a contradiction, so one of the premises is false. Thus we conclude that we're getting screwed.
Yeah, why stop at selling weapons to the giant armored Nazis when we could be arming the Orwellian nightmare right next door?
"Attention! 10,000 square kilometers of virgin primeval forest full of yummy monsters needs to be depopulated by any means the unkillable murderballs desire. Volunteers can begin lining up now, and remember, have fun!"
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Vecht
Self-Requested Ban
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This is shorthand for:
"There seems to exist a systemic flaw in primate brains, or perhaps hierarchical power structures (or both) whereby those who find themselves in such a position tend to unfairly exploit the system to personal gain and to the gain of their immediate supporters, for a net loss overall, even after accounting for this phenomenon and while expressing a desire to not themselves fail on this account. In absence of a solid, gears-level understanding of the issue (and I do have thoughts here, they're just hard to unpack) we can approximate a better but still non-optimal solution by adopting magic thinking (thereby smoothing out the conceptspace topology and not falling off cliffs), as is completely reasonable to do for any
It's a bit of a mouthful and people's eye's glaze over at a point, so let's just say "on principle" and move on for now.
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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I note that this seems about right if you divide by 10.
If its 50 seals a month, or if there are 3 sealmasters who have the same license, or if this only applies in months you sell seals or something, or some combination of the above points it seems more reasonable. Perhaps its 100 a month and there are only six licensed sealmasters in Leaf, or something.