Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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...That sounds like MORE of a reason to sign up, not less of one
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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If we're gonna abandon it anyway, isn't it better to leave it standing as a decoy? Though I guess both of those behaviors don't really simulate a t&i team accurately.
Emstar
The Shining One
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Yeah we can't abandon or blow up the facility without likely losing 1000 points.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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If we arrange for it to look like we didn't do it, we can go through with it.
...Maybe summon Panashe and Keiko's engineer pangolin to sap it so that they collapse naturally?
On another note, reread the 12 pages and didn't notice anything new. Best bet is to account for every one of the points Noumero made in that list.
And while I'm doing terrible artwork...
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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Nice job @MadScientist!
On another note, I can't remember, what's the math on how many relative-points we need? Is wrecking all the blue teams in round 1 gonna be sufficient, or will we need to wreck the Red teams too?
On another note, I can't remember, what's the math on how many relative-points we need? Is wrecking all the blue teams in round 1 gonna be sufficient, or will we need to wreck the Red teams too?
Frankly, we should wreck everyone possible, sans Team Asuma. Blue teams take priority, but if we run into a red team we absolutely should wreck them.
EDIT - also, we should take any red team member we capture to the medics, or put them in a cell, so they can't earn points.
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No seriously, that was really bad. Like, Hazou's proportions didn't even match up correctly or anything. Kei's did, but she's just a silhouette so you can't really tell. I should have spent time at the start correcting Hazou's model to something even vaguely anatomically correct, but oh well.
E: Also this is the first time I've tried to draw someone hunched over and I didn't look at a reference. Which was another mistake.
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I self identify as Ravenclaw. Interests in Genetics, Microbiology, and Immunology, with lesser-but-still-usually-present interest in general bio and chemistry. Also, I really enjoy thinking about tactics in DnD 5e, although I'm not sure how much that crosses over into Marked for Death.
Vecht
Self-Requested Ban
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- Snarksville, Snarkland
The thing that makes it game-theoreric anything is if we credibly and believably will only take a particular course of action, and can rely on our opponents knowing this such that they alter their actions to take it into account (presumably to our benefit).
Think of it this way: when the secret message says "This message will self-destruct in 5 seconds," you don't stop to negotiate with it. The key here is to be a static, fixed feature of the environment that cannot be reasoned with, and can only be worked around.
The goal in this case was making it be mutual knowledge among literally everyone that "Team Uplift is going to follow a strategy where they clearly, visibly, and auidibly mark a location, and then proceed to demolish it with the force of a pissed off old-testament deity." We then use that to collect points because everyone knows fucking with us = certain death.
I kept trying to say something to this effect before, but people's kneejerk reaction is "but what if people don't believe us," to which the rejoinder is "THEN WE FAILED AT STEP 0, WE KNOW WE FAILED AT STEP 0, AND WE DON'T EXECUTE."
That said, I believe it is too late to pursue this strategy now. We would have had to do lots of prep work before the event.
Vecht
Self-Requested Ban
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- Snarksville, Snarkland
Since we're discussing house affiliations, I might as well state mine. I mean, it almost goes without saying, but just so everyone knows, I'm Hufflepuff.
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I KNEW IT!
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
Let's assume the highest scoring team (currently) is Asuma: They got 80-something in the second event, 299 in the third event and 222-ish in the fourth event for a total of 601 points. Obviously we won't be screwing them over, but if we did, and they were on Blue team this round, we could get a total of:
-75 (document turnin)
-225 (whole team unconscious/Moderate Consequence'd)
+180 (for turning in the documents within the first hour)
For a total relative score of +480 for the first round. Add that to our own scores and we would come in right behind team Asuma.
If they are a red team:
-55*9 (unconscious/consequence'd, in a cell) for -495
+180 (for turning in documents within the first hour)
For a total relative score of +675.
So, yes, I think we should definitely wreck every team. What I am not sure about is whether turning in a person to the medical tent triggers penalties like unconscious/consequence'd, etc.
-75 (document turnin)
-225 (whole team unconscious/Moderate Consequence'd)
+180 (for turning in the documents within the first hour)
For a total relative score of +480 for the first round. Add that to our own scores and we would come in right behind team Asuma.
If they are a red team:
-55*9 (unconscious/consequence'd, in a cell) for -495
+180 (for turning in documents within the first hour)
For a total relative score of +675.
So, yes, I think we should definitely wreck every team. What I am not sure about is whether turning in a person to the medical tent triggers penalties like unconscious/consequence'd, etc.
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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We shouldn't chance the medical tent thing.
We absolutely need to wreck every team. We will spare team Asuma in exchange for some assistance either this Round or the next depending on their color
Vecht
Self-Requested Ban
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I'd be surprised if it were different from last round, where you could still lose points but not gain any.
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I might actually count as a Hufflepuff.
On which note, I think that the rampage plan still is on; we just need to tell everybody during the intermission that we're going to shell their base, see that we don't.
We should note that there might be some intersquad fighting about who gets the word-halfs.
Noumero
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We need to wreck all teams in R1, yes. That was likely the bad thing EagleJarl warned us about.
Regarding points... We're going to give our Blue Team -300 points, other Blue Teams -225 points, and all other Red Teams either -495 or -225 points depending on how cell rules work. We ourselves will get 185 points, for a minimum relative advantage of 410 points.
We currently have at most 49 + 315 - 223 = 141 points. We scored middling-well in the second event, first in the third event, and last in the fourth event. Going by Keiko's analysis of the second event, @Veedrac's analysis of the third event, and Team Kurenai's performance in the fourth event, the current top individual could have at most 100 + 298 + 200 = 598 points, i. e. a relative advantage of 457 points.
After (a perfectly-executed) R1, we'll have 326 points, and the top individual will have 373 points.
Assuming we won't be able to do anything creative in R2, we'll gain 140 points, and a hypothetical perfect Red Team somewhere out there will gain 185 points, for a 45 points advantage over us.
Since we'll take many people's word-halves, since there will also be "natural" losers in R2 even without our tampering, since we'll likely be able to do something interesting in R2, and since there's unlikely to be 13 individuals who did maximally well in the second, the third, and the fourth events, and who will both do maximally well in the fifth event and retain their word-halves, we likely could be content with our 466 points.
In comparison, the notional-and-wildly-unlikely perfect genin will have 558 points.
Yes, I understand that. I'm not sure how it could be done with a sufficient probability of success, and how we would be able to check this success before executing it, though. Any our social action could be interpreted as an elaborate deception by a sufficiently stupid/defiant/stubborn enemy. Do you have any concrete ideas?
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Don't forget that in round two, teams with lasting Moderate Comsequences take penalties. So, nearly everyone will have -150 going in, except for, maybe, a blue team with a Leaf and one of our round 1allies, or a red team with maybe a Leaf and Wolf member.
Noumero
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Hm. Interesting point. We'll be solidly in the lead then, with a 466-558+225 = 133 points advantage.
Why did you say 150, though, if it's 25 x 9 = 225?
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-150 for the teams paired with those spared in the first round - it could be every blue team, and maybe 3 red teams, if we spare maximum number of people and the spared folks are evenly distributed. (Us, 2 allies, 3 Leaf, 1 Wolf)
Not sure if this is the case - the rules may only punish additional Moderate Consequences injuries taken, rather than existing ones. (and honestly, most people with Moderate Consequences from the first round may well simply withdraw rather than risk taking further injury, since continuing in that state is risky and stupid)
Noumero
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I see. Wait, isn't this irrelevant then? Then everyone, ourselves included, will lose no less than 150 points for injuries. We'll have 75 points advantage over a fully-injured team... and a (9 - 3 Leaf - 1 Sky - 1 Wolf) x 25 = 100 points disadvantage over a theoretical least-injured team.
On second thoughts, I'm also not sure the rules for injuries work this way. Wouldn't they be invoked "for every injury taken this round", not "every injury present at the end of this round"? Exact wording is vague, and the first interpretation seems more in-spirit.