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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Vecht said:
Absolutely none, you say? Hmm, interesting.



Pfffft. Welcome back. I assume things worked out for you?



This is an excellent idea. 3 hours is a bit of an ask, but you would be surprised at the ideas 3 smart people can come up with when spending 15-minutes by-the-clock with a goal in mind, especially after being given permission to think unorthodoxly. (Sounds silly, but it's true.)

Also, rather than election, I suggest a lottery. Everyone interested in contributing would state so ahead of time (on a per-cycle basis), then should they be selected, commit to spending at least 15 mins doing their best to unbiasedly find failure modes, points of weakness, and ways in which others can hamper our plans.

To be useful, the determination would have to be done sometime between when we have clear frontrunners for plans and about a day or so before voting closes. For more important or sensitive plans, or when there are just multiple plans, we can select more than one person.
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I strongly support the idea of a reviewer lottery, and I would like to enter the pool. Do we have a tool that we could use to organize it?

We also need some way to promote original thinking. @Vecht, if you think explicit permission to think unorthodoxly is enough, we can go with that. My only idea is encouraging the reviewer to go think someplace that they don't normally think.
 
Sentient Tree said:
Haven't finished reading, so I don't know if this has been mentioned, but what if we combine the chakra beast farm with the meat processing plant? If we grow the chakra beasts up and then slaughter/sell the meat, it looks like we're just doing this to make money, rather than to have a source of infinite chakra.
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That's an option, but at this point I believe that we shouldn't introduce more complexity to our first business than necessary. My primary goal is to have a passive source of income for our clan; everything after that is a bonus. If the business stabilizes and is profitable then we can look into either expanding it or, if it isn't quite in the black yet, making adjustments with new in-game information. Having a chakra beast farm would be interesting but that's another layer of complexity on top of another never-been-done-before undertaking. I'm not opposed to it eventually; I'd just like to keep things as simple as possible for now.
 
Allright, it's fine. We can work with this. Just need to get through this event round, then absolutely forbid Hazou from talking to Akane during the break, get through the second round, and then we can make him face reality. Surely he'll get over it before the tournament.
 
Roomba said:
Allright, it's fine. We can work with this. Just need to get through this event round, then absolutely forbid Hazou from talking to Akane during the break, get through the second round, and then we can make him face reality. Surely he'll get over it before the tournament.
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You're funny.
 
faflec said:
Alright cool.

In that case I would ask that you put me in as a 4th party who can help generate ideas. I won't be able to do it all the time so I won't ask to be put in the pool.
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The pool should be case-by-case anyway. We can figure out better logistics if it works out well. Do you want to be added to the list, or are you suggesting something else?
 
faflec said:
Alright cool.

In that case I would ask that you put me in as a 4th party who can help generate ideas. I won't be able to do it all the time so I won't ask to be put in the pool.
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This is more of a spend 15-30 concerted minutes thing, and I don't think the pool is permanent, just for this upcoming plan
 
Clearly this is all good progress on Hazo's journey to unlock his Sharingan.

In fact...hmm, my omake senses are tingling. Stay tuned for the adventures of P-zombie Hazo and the Unsolvable Problem.
 
@Vecht, I volunteer for the next Mad-Eye duty.

Immortal Lurker said:
My only idea is encouraging the reviewer to go think someplace that they don't normally think.
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I would suggest using the standard premortem techniques, and/or imagine/model EagleJarl talking to you, playing word games that imply there's an enormous threat and an enormous opportunity that everyone overlooked. It worked reasonably well in practice (even though we still haven't figured out what the threat is).
 
Noumero said:
@Vecht, I volunteer for the next Mad-Eye duty.


I would suggest using the standard premortem techniques, and/or imagine/model EagleJarl talking to you, playing word games that imply there's an enormous threat and an enormous opportunity that everyone overlooked. It worked reasonably well in practice (even though we still haven't figured out what the threat is).
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We have narrowed down the solution space enough that we can modify any plan to account for any possible one though, I think?

Which is good enough, if you have narrowed it down to 12 cases you have to check manually, you basically have the answer right there.
 
MMKII said:
We have narrowed down the solution space enough that we can modify any plan to account for any possible one though, I think?
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Not really. We've narrowed it down to that list of seven I posted, and "there's a traitor in our midst". But EagleJarl said it wasn't about a traitor, and we've already went through my seven; neither of them seemed like a particularly good fit. We're back at square one.

Someone needs to go through pages 3820 — 3832 again, because clearly I've missed something. (Or through pages 3793 — 3832, ideally.)
Cariyaga said:
eaglejarl said:
NOW WILL YOU PEOPLE GO PUNCH SOMETHING!!?!!???!!!??!!!
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We will punch fucking everything.
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Ah, good old simple naive days. Where did those times go?
 
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faflec said:
Oh, Hazou's in denial.

Great. Just what we need.
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When a member of Uchiha knows love, it's as if the feelings they were blocking out arise. They awaken something even stronger than the senju's power of love.

When an Uchiha that has known love loses it, it turns into an even stronger hate and changes that person.

When Uchiha suffer after experience the loss of a loved one or despair, special chakra sprouts inside their brains, which affects the optic neve and produces a change in their eyes.

That is "The eye that reflects feelings, the Sharingan."
(Chapter 619)
- Senju Tobirama, Second Hokage, creator of Edo tensei and Hiraishin

Kurosawa Satoko got her Sharingan just by hearing that her father was dead and she was more or less a normal Uchiha. Hazou's life in the last ~2 years was quite painful. I wonder how much pain he will be in if he realizes that Akane broke up with him.

We are so close to more power.
 
Noumero said:
Not really. We've narrowed it down to that list of seven I posted, and "there's a traitor in our midst". But EagleJarl said it wasn't about a traitor, and we've already went through my the seven; neither of them seemed like a particularly good fit. We're back at square one.
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Why wouldn't it be Blue Teams being unable to leave the site? A lot of our early plans involved starting round 2 by knocking out all the other Blue Teams, and not being able to move makes round 2 very hard in principle - we can only wait for a large coalition to form and stomp us.

The word halves let us solve this problem to an extent, which is why I find it likely that they're the big positive thing.
 
@Vecht I'm interested in the idea, but I don't know if I'll have the time to commit on a Friday afternoon (or any afternoon really (my schedule isn't consistent)), but I would like to contribute to what I (hopefully) am good at.

Perhaps we should also ask and/or assign roles for people to specialize in, rather than only having general discussion? We all know that @Radvic has a inclination towards explosives and @Jello_Raptor has a reputation for science as well. If other posters could mention what they are most interested in and ask to be pinged when other people believe that said posters would want to be included in the conversation we could cover more topics. This would also help alleviate our tendency to bandwagon around certain ideas if different people are encouraged to look at the situation from different perspectives rather than focusing on only the current conversation.

Another method would be to have people group themselves in general terms for easy identification and as a reminder of what that person likes to contribute towards the thread. I'm thinking HPMOR Harry Potter houses since I would assume most of us have read it already. We're the voices in Hazou's head; why not label ourselves just like how Harry labeled the various perspectives in his own head? You're already suggesting one reference; might as well make another. The two sciencey posters I already pinged would probably be Ravenclaws and we already have @Cariyaga as (I'm assuming) a Hufflepuff.

So, here is my general thread profile for the sake of keeping Hazou alive:
@Dictator4Hire : self identifies as Slytherin
Break glass/ping in case of politics (national or international), business ventures, clan drama, airships, a general lack of necessary applied ruthlessness in the thread, occasional speeches, and INO-SHIPPING
Less interested in: combat maths and unquestioned, knee-jerk restraint
 
Dictator4Hire said:
@Vecht I'm interested in the idea, but I don't know if I'll have the time to commit on a Friday afternoon (or any afternoon really (my schedule isn't consistent)), but I would like to contribute to what I (hopefully) am good at.

Perhaps we should also ask and/or assign roles for people to specialize in, rather than only having general discussion? We all know that @Radvic has a inclination towards explosives and @Jello_Raptor has a reputation for science as well. If other posters could mention what they are most interested in and ask to be pinged when other people believe that said posters would want to be included in the conversation we could cover more topics. This would also help alleviate our tendency to bandwagon around certain ideas if different people are encouraged to look at the situation from different perspectives rather than focusing on only the current conversation.

Another method would be to have people group themselves in general terms for easy identification and as a reminder of what that person likes to contribute towards the thread. I'm thinking HPMOR Harry Potter houses since I would assume most of us have read it already. We're the voices in Hazou's head; why not label ourselves just like how Harry labeled the various perspectives in his own head? You're already suggesting one reference; might as well make another. The two sciencey posters I already pinged would probably be Ravenclaws and we already have @Cariyaga as (I'm assuming) a Hufflepuff.

So, here is my general thread profile for the sake of keeping Hazou alive:
@Dictator4Hire : self identifies as Slytherin
Break glass/ping in case of politics (national or international), business ventures, clan drama, airships, a general lack of necessary applied ruthlessness in the thread, occasional speeches, and INO-SHIPPING
Less interested in: combat maths and unquestioned, knee-jerk restraint
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Yes. I am definitely a Hufflepuff. Do not question me any further on the matter. :whistle:
 
Roomba said:
Why wouldn't it be Blue Teams being unable to leave the site? A lot of our early plans involved starting round 2 by knocking out all the other Blue Teams, and not being able to move makes round 2 very hard in principle - we can only wait for a large coalition to form and stomp us.

The word halves let us solve this problem to an extent, which is why I find it likely that they're the big positive thing.
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I definitely don't think @eaglejarl was referring to the word-halves gambit. It's a relatively complicated plan, not some vital but clear aspect of our situation. We could have solved that problem in any number of ways; word-halves is just one of them.

I'm not sure that it referred to Blue Teams' rules, either. Round 2 is weeks away, and he spoke with some urgency, which implies (and not in his usual literal-genie manner) that it's something relevant to our Round 1 performance. This comment suggest that as well: the connection isn't "what our situation in R2 will be determines our optimal behaviour in R1", but "our performance in R1 determines our situation in R2".

@eaglejarl, are you enjoying my attempts to derive actionable information from your statements sentences word-sequences?
 
Noumero said:
Not really. We've narrowed it down to that list of seven I posted, and "there's a traitor in our midst". But EagleJarl said it wasn't about a traitor, and we've already went through my the seven; neither of them seemed like a particularly good fit. We're back at square one.

Someone needs to go through pages 3820 — 3832 again, because clearly I've missed something. (Or through pages 3793 — 3832, ideally.)

Ah, good old simple naive days. Where did those times go?
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Are you assuming that the warning was related to Round 1 specifically?I don't actually think so, it's probably for the whole event. With that in mind either 4) or something something word halves seem the most reasonable.

You seem to believe that Round 2 is a ways away, but that seems to be a bogus assumption. We can possibly finish this event in 3 updates.
 
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