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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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@Velorien

(If you're willing to answer this; if not, I'd understand.) Are there any super obvious problems Hazou sees with the following plan?

Additionally, is it sufficiently clear to you what's intended with it?

Cariyaga said:
[X] Action Plan: Huh? Didn't We Do This Already?

Goals: Get the majority of the people here drunk without getting caught. Reduce the non-Leaf high ranking teams point scores. Get lots of points for Team Uplift.

Means:
  1. Use the Tipserator to get a bunch of ninja drunk. Don't get caught.
    • Hazou will use Hiding Like a Mole to move under the porch near where the people are gathered, toward the back so he doesn't get caught, followed by using the tipserator
      • Do not release Hiding Like a Mole: Instead, immediately sink back underground the moment the tipserator goes off, taking the tipserator with Hazou.
      • This should also make the tipserator look less like a cone.
    • While this is going on, Hazou is to wear a grey cloth over his face as camouflage against the darkness under the porch, keeping his eyes as close to closed as he can. Remove this before returning to STL.
  2. Return to Super Team Leaf.
    • Return to the marquee from underground. Hazou emerges at a well-concealed location (using an FP if necessary for there to be one) partially as-before to check that STL is by themselves, before returning to them underground to rejoin them.
    • Find out the results of the operation
      • Assumedly, Hinata is taking a peek to ascertain who won the bets made.
    • Suggest that the teams cooperate by sharing names of high scoring non-Leaf teams by sharing information. Targets of particular interest are Team Downfall, Team Mugiwara, those that Hazou gave intel on from the Oyabun before, and any other team that other members of STL want dealt with.
      • Hazou suggests sharing those particular teams' names with any cliques that have formed. He has one in mind.
        • This information will, of course, be bartered with the cliques and shared back with STL given opportunity.
    • Express a general willingness to work together with the other teams to maximize point gain for STL. The better Leaf does in general, the more powerful Leaf appears.
  3. Continue the event, enacting various plots and schemes. Check these with Keiko and Noburi, and STL if they judge it necessary.
    • Write down lists detailing relevant information of the teams you want sabotaged prepared. Only release this through Bonku if someone else does something similar, otherwise it'll be a race to to the bottom that benefits the low-scoring teams.
      • Alternately, we could start rumors through Bonku of high-scorers being ninja.
    • Use sweat to determine who's a ninja and who isn't.
      • The genin probably don't have much experience with alcohol, additionally.
    • Chat up the drunk ninja -- those that aren't seemingly-violent -- and make good on not being drunk to get intel from them: names, village, team name, and secret IDs, both theirs and that they know of.
    • Something something matchmaking service? (Idea - Spread a rumor about the service. With ninja identities already exposed, people might be more willing to take up this offer. In a break room, a member of Team Uplift will ask "who are you looking for" and direct people together, under a guarantee that the info won't leave your team. Net potential gain is 45 points for parties matched with this, and 10 points for each match for every member of Team Uplift.)
    • <Fill in more ideas here>
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Cariyaga said:
Something something matchmaking service? (Idea - Spread a rumor about the service. With ninja identities already exposed, people might be more willing to take up this offer. In a break room, a member of Team Uplift will ask "who are you looking for" and direct people together, under a guarantee that the info won't leave your team. Net potential gain is 45 points for parties matched with this, and 10 points for each match for every member of Team Uplift.)
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This bit was intended to be fleshed out a bit more. The Idea portion was just a general idea. This could almost certainly use some improvement to make it something ninja are more likely to participate in.
 
eaglejarl said:
NOTE: The previous chapter originally ended with Hazō triggering the tipserator (a misterator loaded with alcohol) to produce a sight-blocking mist, which gave someone in the crowd the cover they needed to detonate an explosive tag, which caused the stampede described herein, which caused all kinds of injuries and near-deaths, which caused a lot of anger between Team Uplift and the other Leaf ninja, which got the fourth event event cancelled.

After this chapter was published there was quite a lot of drama among the players. Eventually @faflec pointed out that the misterator seals have been previously stated to work differently from how @Velorien and I thought they did when we wrote these chapters -- specifically, the fog that they produce is not thick enough to block line of sight. That completely undoes everything from the end of last chapter all the way through this one, so we rolled it back. The end of the previous chapter was changed and this one is now no longer canon.
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If recalling information about the setting is becoming difficult for three QMs, why not offer QM-ship to @faflec ? Have him be in charge of remembering facts about the world and characters of MfD. That way you three can focus on the story aspect of the quest so you can spend your spoons more effectively.

Of course @faflec would have to agree to this, but I believe it worth's discussing to see if all of you are interested in it.
 
Dictator4Hire said:
If recalling information about the setting is becoming difficult for three QMs, why not offer QM-ship to @faflec ? Have him be in charge of remembering facts about the world and characters of MfD. That way you three can focus on the story aspect of the quest so you can spend your spoons more effectively.

Of course @faflec would have to agree to this, but I believe it worth's discussing to see if all of you are interested in it.
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I think a few pages ago they said they'd take him up as a beta-reader/consistency checker from time to time to make sure no details nuke the timeline again.
 
faflec said:
I express worry that this is not specific enough, and that Hazou will brain fart and assume STL is automatically safe. I still recommend either a) using Living Roots (and getting chakra from Noburi to enable this); or b) emerging at a safe (well-concealed) location to check if STL is safe.
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I wanted to point out that with @eaglejarl making an active attempt at curbing plan length, we'll need to learn to live with the idea of leaving some details to Hazou. This particular worry you're expressing is all the more confusing to me given that Hazou already achieved linking up with STL perfectly fine on his own in the retconned update.

And on a related note, speaking for myself, one of the things I intensely dislike about maintaining a plan (I actually enjoy writing them to begin with, even the long ones), is being asked to make lots of small changes that don't amount to anything substantial. It's work and mental overhead for, at best, marginal benefit, and often no benefit at all. There's a cost to it that is largely invisible to people suggesting the changes, which is why I'm bringing it up.

One of the reasons I was so happy about @eaglejarl's declaration, is that now, if I want to make an effort to keep the plan length reasonable, I can tell someone "I think adding this detail isn't worth the 1 XP it would lose us.", whereas before it'd just have to be "No" and feeling like an asshole.

Not trying to single you out with this reply, but it's something that's been on my mind for a while, and your post brought it up again.
 
MMKII said:
I think a few pages ago they said they'd take him up as a beta-reader/consistency checker from time to time to make sure no details nuke the timeline again.
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Bleh. The one time I don't put a disclaimed saying that I haven't had time to read 35+ pages after a chapter... *grumble grumble*

Not annoyed at you for the record; I'm just a little irritated that I no longer have the time to read everything in this thread anymore.

Eh, at this point I might as well add that to my sig.
 
Dictator4Hire said:
Bleh. The one time I don't put a disclaimed saying that I haven't had time to read 35+ pages after a chapter... *grumble grumble*

Not annoyed at you for the record; I'm just a little irritated that I no longer have the time to read everything in this thread anymore.

Eh, at this point I might as well add that to my sig.
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In fairness, most chapters don't involve quite that many pages.
 
Enjou said:
This bit was intended to be fleshed out a bit more. The Idea portion was just a general idea. This could almost certainly use some improvement to make it something ninja are more likely to participate in.
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I'd be happy to change it if anyone has suggestions.
Roomba said:
Failure and suffering always increase our activity by a significant margin. I wonder what that says about the readers at large.
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That we're all masochists.

e: Also that failure and suffering shocks lurkers out of lurking.
 
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All the genin probably have very little experience with being drunk. How difficult would it be to use Hazou's deceit to placebo effect them into to behaving drunk for much longer than they actually will be? Isn't there this whole thing about young teenagers getting drunk on non-alcoholic beer?

A good post tipserator strategy would be to have Keiko and Hazou go around pretending to be proctors. Hazou convinces them they are still drunk and we are proctors, and Keiko assists by adding the tag "Scared witless". Demand word halves and secret roles.
 
MMKII said:
For the event?

You need to find the person whos secret identity is paired with yours for a good point boost (you both need to figure out who the other is). You need to do this also without alerting anyone.
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You would just find your partners' secret pair and share the results with each other.
Enjou said:
If a proctor finds you, says "come to a break room", and tells you to break henge, you have to. If you're not the person you're supposed to be, you're going to end up disqualified.
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IIUC you'd be disqualified anyway in such a scenario. Plus it's a pretty niche scenario and you still cap your losses at 0 so even then it's not that bad for a zero-sum game.
 
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Veedrac said:
You would just find your partners' secret pair and share the results with each other.

IIUC you'd be disqualified anyway in such a scenario.
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Well also, how much work would you save , if any , by doing this? I think its pretty symmetrical whether you have to bust your ass to find Guy A or Guy B.


Immortal Lurker said:
All the genin probably have very little experience with being drunk. How difficult would it be to use Hazou's deceit to placebo effect them into to behaving drunk for much longer than they actually will be? Isn't there this whole thing about young teenagers getting drunk on non-alcoholic beer?

A good post tipserator strategy would be to have Keiko and Hazou go around pretending to be proctors. Hazou convinces them they are still drunk and we are proctors, and Keiko assists by adding the tag "Scared witless". Demand word halves and secret roles.
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I don't think we'll really need to play too much mindgames.

I think the bolded part is actually pretty good. Short of a violent reaction I don't see what could go wrong. We could maybe have someone else hanging back to disable them subtly if it comes to that.

@Cariyaga what do you think? Seems pretty good for immediate capitalization after we regroup.
 
Veedrac said:
IIUC you'd be disqualified anyway in such a scenario. Plus it's a pretty niche scenario and you still cap your losses at 0 so even then it's not that bad for a zero-sum game.
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You can safely break henge in a break room without getting DQed for being seen out of henge.
MMKII said:
Well also, how much work would you save , if any , by doing this? I think its pretty symmetrical whether you have to bust your ass to find Guy A or Guy B.



I don't think we'll really need to play too much mindgames.

I think the bolded part is actually pretty good. Short of a violent reaction I don't see what could go wrong. We could maybe have someone else hanging back to disable them subtly if it comes to that.

@Cariyaga what do you think? Seems pretty good for immediate capitalization after we regroup.
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Possssssibly. I'm disinclined to overplan.
 
Cariyaga said:
You can safely break henge in a break room without getting DQed for being seen out of henge.

Possssssibly. I'm disinclined to overplan.
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If we get about 8 word halves then we can all just use them to get to the next event, no? We can turn a day of sleuthing into a day of planning.

Edit: Probably less. Team Kurenai can probably just track the person being led to the event location.
 
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Velorien said:
You can't disqualify a team if doing so would leave you with no survivors for the next event.
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Killing everyone with a reasonable degree of certainty is actually quite difficult, even with fuel air explosives. Stupid ninja and their bullshit. Being left as the only team mentally and physically capable of further participation, on the other hand, seems very doable.
 
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MMKII said:
If we get about 8 word halves then we can all just use them to get to the next event, no? We can turn a day of sleuthing into a day of planning.

Edit: Probably less. Team Kurenai can probably just track the person being led to the event location.
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Unlikely to take us to the event location: This time they took people to a holding room. I expect the same to happen next time.

That said... how about I add to the post-tipserator ideas "Do social engineering to drunken ninja to get half-words, secret identities, and other event details"?
 
Cariyaga said:
You can safely break henge in a break room without getting DQed for being seen out of henge.

Possssssibly. I'm disinclined to overplan.
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Include it in the section where we discuss our next steps with STL as our suggestion?

I understand the hesitation to let the plan go on for too long without the hivemind intervening.

Roomba said:
Killing everyone with a degree of certainty is actually quite difficult, even with fuel air explosives. Stupid ninja and their bullshit. Being left as the only team mentally and physically capable of further participation, on the other hand, seems very doable.
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Harder than that. I guarantee you some ninja went to defcon 1 as soon as multiple places started getting unnaturally hot, and are nowhere near the main crowd.

EDIT: Shinobi are everywhere.
 
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