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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Cariyaga said:
Unlikely to take us to the event location: This time they took people to a holding room. I expect the same to happen next time.

That said... how about I add to the post-tipserator ideas "Do social engineering to drunken ninja to get half-words, secret identities, and other event details"?
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I think that will suffice.
 
How long do we want this update to last? Are we ok if ends with the event itself? If not, we should indicate that in the plans.

MMKII said:
I already went through the effort of typing this up so I figure I'd post it. We might be passed the point of no return for something like this to be viable but people might enjoy the idea anyway.


Instead of doing the throw information everywhere for free thing with the posters I think we can be significantly more clever and effective.

Expanding and formalizing upon the earlier auction idea I had:

In the last hour or so we get Bonku to set up an "auction game for fun" to auction off " the location and guest list of the next party" to the highest bidder. Very suggestively hinted to be an info list of secret identities and the location for the next event.

This will be a sealed-bid auction (so you put your bid forth in a sealed envelope, and the highest bidder wins).

The bidders will be bidding information about current guests. They will be required to put down (Name, Job, Country, Funny Nickname, Their Childhood dream) for as many number of people as they want. The express purpose both implied and all but stated is that you will give some permutation of information that will identify someone in the actual event. This will be checked against a pre-compiled master list (which has some degree of correctness but is nonetheless rigged and that we have the answer key for)

In character the point is just a fun game to see who remembers the most about guests from the party. We can do this through Bonku reading the bids, so anonymity is preserved. He is running the show here, announcer and everything.

We can attend the auction so no one knows it is us behind this. In fact, we are encouraged to attend so that this appears both legit as well as an eminent danger to everyone not in attendance.

We will have Bonku check the information off from a list we provide (this doesn't need to have correct information, in fact its a fucking sham) to determine the highest bidder. The winner (it must be Hazou, rig it) will get the "list" and the location of the "next party" (we bullshit that in character).

Bonku hands the "list" off to the winner (Hazou) who palms the bids and leaves.



Why the fuck would anyone do this?

1) If they see anyone else playing along, they are at major risk if this is real.

1a) If they have the brains to think game-theoretically at all they will be all but forced to go along with this.

1b) It will still stress them the fuck out.

2) They are not compelled to bid anything but its to their advantage to submit a decent chunk of info. They might win.



Why the fuck would we do this you might ask?

1)Simple, we get the bids afterwards, so we can both double check our info as well as statistically verifying info that we don't know. If 8 people put the same points of information for someone for example, then we most likely have them dead to rights.

2) This prevents anyone we haven't already duct-taped drunk goggles to from deciding to go the nuclear option at the last minute, hopefully.

2a) Anyone we have drunk -goggled might just decide this is for real and spill all the fucking beans anyway, jackpot.

3) We can just rig it so that whatever info Hazou gives is identical to that of the list's anyway.

4) This should gather people together for a last ditch plot if we need them centralized once again.

5) We just have to have a decent portion of our group show up for the actual auction and forge the info list. Bonku can handle the rest. Its almost zero effort from our part.
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When looking at these strategies, I ask myself "If someone else did this, how would we react?". In this case, I think we'd join in and submit intentionally confusing garbage information. The organizers of the auction are obviously fishing for info, but they have no good way of distinguishing truth from lies if a large fraction of participants do this.

Honestly, I'd be inclined to try and convince Shikamaru to run the auction. As an info broker, he's already known to be a ninja, and his presence would lend it legitimacy that it desperately needs. Bonku is an unknown that is likely to fuck everything up in some unforeseen way.

The primary problem, is that there's no valid reason for anyone to be holding such an auction as anything other than a trap. I don't really know how to solve this, unfortunately.
 
Roomba said:
How long do we want this update to last? Are we ok if ends with the event itself? If not, we should indicate that in the plans.
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I'm fine with putting this hell-event behind us and moving on to grueier pastures.
Immortal Lurker said:
The section he put them in looks like action items, not discussion. @Cariyaga, was this your intent? Everything in there looks fine, but there is a lot of it, and you said you didn't want to over plan.
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It's intended to be "check this with the team, and if the team thinks we should check it with STL do that, otherwise go through with it."
 
Cariyaga said:
Chat up the drunk ninja -- those that aren't seemingly-violent -- and make good on not being drunk to get intel from them: names, village, team name, and secret IDs, both theirs and that they know of.
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Cariyaga said:
Do social engineering to drunken ninja to get half-words, secret identities, and other event details
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@Cariyaga At a casual glance these two parts of your plan seem to be redundant. I'm not entirely sure what the second part is meant to be re: social engineering.
 
faflec said:
My question is how we're supposed to "socially engineer" other people; it doesn't seem to make sense to me.
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For some of the drunker ones it may literally be as easy as telling them you're a proctor and asking for their word, and then leaving.

For others you may have to bullshit with them for like twenty minutes before you collect viable intel.

We pass a few deceit checks and we stand to cash out big for a relatively small time investment.

We might as well capitalize on the drunk thing while we can right?
 
MMKII said:
For some of the drunker ones it may literally be as easy as telling them you're a proctor and asking for their word, and then leaving.

For others you may have to bullshit with them for like twenty minutes before you collect viable intel.

We pass a few deceit checks and we stand to cash out big for a relatively small time investment.

We might as well capitalize on the drunk thing while we can right?
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Ah, that makes more sense then. @Cariyaga I would recommend you change that part to "Pretend to be disguised proctors, convince drunken ninja to get half-words, secret identities, and other event details." or something along that nature.

Edit: Wait, what other event details are we looking for? Are we talking about the next Event?
 
faflec said:
Ah, alright. I'd interpreted "event details" as "details on the Event". Maybe change it to "Event-related personal details"?
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Yeah, sure. Also, I changed it to "Pretend to be disguised proctors [looking for the perpetrators]" to give us more reason to be pulling people aside.
 
Granite-shot, misterators, dragonfly-dust spray, perfumators, (e: firelogs), tipserators... This seal just keeps paying dividends. I can't wait until we have a wider selection of acids/poisons/whatever available.
 
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Also partially-related thought: It might be a good idea to work with eyes on, as in we should have another ally in proximity to us when we do social interaction in case things go pear-shaped (e.g., Downfall shows up and tries to KO Hazou again).
Adhoc vote count started by faflec on Jun 26, 2018 at 7:29 PM, finished with 854 posts and 18 votes.
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