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*snerk* Borrowing? Oh, no no no we're here to stay.
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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Speaking of which we need to get to work on @MadScientist's necromancy seals.
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*bursts into the room* Did someone say "necromancy"?
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Oh. And also I was summoned. I guess.
Yeah if we can get started on them we might have an insurance policy if we happen to die. A bad one, but I figure Kagome has at least a shot at working out resurrection if he had reason to.
Yeah. Seriously. Please can we do any work on these things? Small numbers add up. Zeroes don't.
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We're doing the most work we are right now, by doing well in the Exams so we get promoted and Jiraiya trusts us more so we can go to the SealCrafting Corp.™ and gain access to Arikada's biosealing bullshit.
Oh, absolutely. I just want to make sure that making even some tiny amount of progress on it doesn't go to the bottom of our priorities and never get done.
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Ask Noburi for basic medical training? I dunno how to word this without making it sound like we're trying to replace him, but medical knowledge should be a key target for successful necromancy.
Other things...Well, we could always take espionage missions to Hidden Cloud, they're the ones with the cutting-edge research.
OH and the Kozu clan are targets too, they can remove their body parts so we could theoretically vivisect them and they wouldn't necessarily die from it.
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Ask him how much training in medical ninjutsu it would be to treat hand cramps
(Seriously, Hazou regularly spends days writing.)
We may be becoming allies with Mist soon. Which would make doing that problematic.
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Not if we get volunteers!
"Hey Noburi. You're the only person on the team who understands medicine at all. If you get sick, you're basically screwed. Teach me enough to keep you alive while we get you to someone who knows what they're doing?"
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I mean honestly I'd be down for instituting a minimum of competency in medicine on the team...
Or in Konoha academy in general, tbh. Require all graduates to have at least (the equivalent of) 5 Medicine/3 Medical Ninjutsu?
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So, let's say Hazou dies, and we create a new character. Hazou is then resurrected by either said new character or some other party. What happens?
Doing work on this would have to mean trying to establish whether it's even theoretically possible. Maybe trying to study techniques that manipulate souls in canon, like Edo Tensei or the Death God Seal? Otherwise, studying medical science in hopes of figuring out resurrection is akin to studying mechanical engineering as a prelude to building a perpetuum mobile in the real world.
From a meta perspective, you'd need to argue why no one else has figured this out yet, because you can bet some really smart and determined people have tried.
Doing work on this would have to mean trying to establish whether it's even theoretically possible. Maybe trying to study techniques that manipulate souls in canon, like Edo Tensei or the Death God Seal? Otherwise, studying medical science in hopes of figuring out resurrection is akin to studying mechanical engineering as a prelude to building a perpetuum mobile in the real world.
From a meta perspective, you'd need to argue why no one else has figured this out yet, because you can bet some really smart and determined people have tried.
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It is revealed that "Hazou" is secretly an interdimensional demon-thing and we have to kILL IT WITH NUKES @Radvic GET IN HERE
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Nah, MadScientist already wrote up a research path for it. We start with making a single leg on an insect twitch post-mortum.
Tbf, we have the best shot at it of anyone in history, I think.
- Sealing knowledge increases with every generation.
- We have two expert sealmasters to consult, and two expert medics. Including The Best Sealmaster in the World and The Best Medic in the World.
- Our village has recently acquired the research of an expert in biosealing.
- If needed, we can possibly get Orochimaru in on the project. He probably qualifies as both a Legendary Medic and Legendary Sealmaster. And he's one of the few people in canon who unambiguously defeated death, having reverted himself to a younger body by time of the epilogue, and used phylactery seals to survive being killed dozens of times, as well as all his body-jacking shenanigans. In mfd, Oro-snek-uncle is on at least somewhat non-horrible terms with Jiraiya, given that he tried to get in contact with him before the exam.
- We have real world science to privilege the hypotheses of. And knowledge of what sort of things to do to increase scientific knowledge (microscopes, etc.).
- The hokage is our clan head. We can probably get other sealmasters and medics to work for us on this.
- My civilian seal-theory corps idea might work. It seems like it should. For that matter, we should train a civilian MedKnow corps.
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Supporting this would, incidentally, be a good way to get Tsunade on our side.
e: Other projects once we get back to Leaf: We should introduce ourselves to the clans. In the basic context of this: "Hi, I don't know what your clan wants but I'd like to learn what's important to you and yours. [Subtext: I'm perfectly willing to engage in prosocial behavior with you if you reciprocate]"
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I...would not be so sure about that.
Dedicated medics, sure. But she seems enthusiatic about general proliferation of medical knowledge. To the point of teaching medicine to other countries.
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Hm. Basic assumptions:
The least-skilled ninja that are graduated from Leaf Academy get around 1 XP a day. This means that for them, it would take 21 days of training across their time in the academy to get the minimum of skill I mentioned above.
We could incentivize the families of said ninja to encourage their children to achieve further competency by allowing, say, a three month extension of time under teachers (such as Noburi himself).
Additionally, we could allow a medic track for prospective ninja that do not meet the standards of the academy for other reasons (poor health, etc, as Akane nearly lost out on her chance for being a ninja to).
e: That last one could be what we swayed Tsunade with.
The least-skilled ninja that are graduated from Leaf Academy get around 1 XP a day. This means that for them, it would take 21 days of training across their time in the academy to get the minimum of skill I mentioned above.
We could incentivize the families of said ninja to encourage their children to achieve further competency by allowing, say, a three month extension of time under teachers (such as Noburi himself).
Additionally, we could allow a medic track for prospective ninja that do not meet the standards of the academy for other reasons (poor health, etc, as Akane nearly lost out on her chance for being a ninja to).
e: That last one could be what we swayed Tsunade with.
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That would, on average, heal an extra 9 shifts per day. Per the most recent rules document I saw, people naturally heal 400 shifts per day. So basically, it would accomplish nothing.
EDIT: Which isn't particularly unrealistic. People study for years to learn to be healers, even in pre-modern times. A 21 day course gets you basically nothing.
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Except it could do more than simply removing shifts. One thing that having Medicine/Medical Ninjutsu could give us is the ability to remove or mitigate certain Aspects/tags given through combat (e.g., "Bleeding Freely").
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Why not more tracks? Depending on the exact reasons kids drop out of the academy, many of them could excel in other non-combat specializations. Sealing, for one.
I'd almost be inclined to believe someone's already tried it, but given how much pushback Tsunade experienced towards her initial medic programme, maybe all the decision makers are indeed stuck in the NINJA MUST PUNCH Neji mindset.