Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
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- Left of Center
Also, people do realize it's in our best interests to support Ren, right? At least insofar as that support doesn't harm Jiraiya.
I seriously think we've underestimated the scale of the problem. Yes, between Jiraiya, the other Jounin, and everyone else bouncing around this probably won't destroy mist. I think the 95% bad outcome is something like a large fraction (>1/3) of the genin in the exam dying to sealing failures, some additional deaths during containment, and serious loss of face for Ren.
So overestimating the threat makes us look like idiots, and possibly means we can't get promoted.
Underestimating the odds means that there's a decent chance that this blows up in a public way that hurts mist's standing, causes Ren to lose massive amounts of face, and means we probably lose our chance to get two major nations into stable peaceful relations and end a blood feud that has been perpetuated by nin with murderboners.
Edit: Giving Ren a chance to cover this up is very very useful for us.
I seriously think we've underestimated the scale of the problem. Yes, between Jiraiya, the other Jounin, and everyone else bouncing around this probably won't destroy mist. I think the 95% bad outcome is something like a large fraction (>1/3) of the genin in the exam dying to sealing failures, some additional deaths during containment, and serious loss of face for Ren.
So overestimating the threat makes us look like idiots, and possibly means we can't get promoted.
Underestimating the odds means that there's a decent chance that this blows up in a public way that hurts mist's standing, causes Ren to lose massive amounts of face, and means we probably lose our chance to get two major nations into stable peaceful relations and end a blood feud that has been perpetuated by nin with murderboners.
Edit: Giving Ren a chance to cover this up is very very useful for us.
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- Yes.
You'd let her sacrifice a bunch of genin to Jashin-sama? Shit, man.
Nice.
As opposed to not being told about it?
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- The Void
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- She/Her
You'd let her sacrifice a bunch of genin to Jashin-sama? Shit, man.
Nice.
There is definitely a nonzero number of genin I'd be ok with dying to help fulfill our political ambitions
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- how about no
I could think of a few chunin, jonin, and S-rankers too:
Akatsuki, with all of their minions, has got to go.
Vecht
Self-Requested Ban
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- Snarksville, Snarkland
[X] Action Plan: Gotta Catch 'Em All
(just in case)
e: nvm doesn't matter anyway
e2: My inner Velorien model looks at "Action Plan: We prevented Armageddon and all we got was this stupid Chunin vest" and says "This is highly presumptuous in many ways, even for you lot."
(just in case)
e: nvm doesn't matter anyway
e2: My inner Velorien model looks at "Action Plan: We prevented Armageddon and all we got was this stupid Chunin vest" and says "This is highly presumptuous in many ways, even for you lot."
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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Yeah, assuming that we're only going to be made chuunin is too much. The Tsuchikage, Raikage, and Kazekage will obviously give up their hats to us.
ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
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- Australia
Told discreetly, maybe. To save lives, though, that can't happen; the warning needs to spread as far as possible.
The only way Mist gets through this without several facefuls of egg is if no one finds out about the danger, which requires that a) it doesn't get advertised too widely, and Cthulthu doesn't show up, or b) Hazou was completely wrong about the danger level, eg if the proctor gave him a different seal to everyone else.
It wouldn't be the first time someone embarrassed wanted to shoot the messenger.
Man. I hope Ren doesn't get screwed too much.
The thing is, I can't really think of a better plan.
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- Somewhere over the rainbow
But that's how we get Kurosawa cousins!
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- how about no
Were we given an extension on the voting period again?
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
Not as far as I (in my full capacity as obsessed with this quest) am aware.
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- USA
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Ambiguous....
Are you saying that the choice is obviously to save the lives of (some fraction of) the ~300 genin who are here to participate in this year's Exams?
Or are you saying that the choice is obviously to let her cover it up because that will help keep Mist and Leaf allied and the EN at peace, thereby saving more than 300 lives in the future?
Or is it something else?
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
Yes.
Suck it faflec, I beat you to it for once!!
e: Realistically, though, it depends on the context. If it was simply "choose whether a number of genin die and the alliance goes through, or the genin live and the alliance dies" I'd probably go with the former, but in this context I'd go with saving the genin, simply because of the danger sealing failures are.
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ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
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- Australia
Yeah, I'm thinking that in a serious cascading breach with this many seals in play, the "some fraction of" genin would be upwards of 3000%. Wiping Mist completely out is one way to ensure peace, but Team Uplift is just a little too close to ground zero.
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- Phoenix, AZ
For the record, wiping large fractions of ninja society out is a great idea and we should pursue it post-haste. So, anyone wanna prep some implosion seals in our next action plan?
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- Yes.
I don't think we can make those?
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
No need to, we have 30.
That said, they make a great kaiju killer if prepped.
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- how about no
To add to the record, when you did start to endorse mass murder without explicitly stating that it had to be done through explosive ordinances of some kind?
I thought you were all about the explosions first and the expected death tolls second. Did your love of boom turn into primarily a love of gloom with a dash of doom?
What changed, why did it change, and when did this happen?
It's like you're a completely different type of psychopath and change scares me, especially unexpected, drastic change.
Who are you and what happened to the real @Radvic ?
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No worries, I'm consistent. To quote my previous response:
So, while sealing doom and mass destruction may not fulfill criteria 1, it does fulfill criteria 4. Not to mention, my proposed doom method in the post you quoted is implosion nuke - a physics exploit.
Your consistent psychopath,
Radvic
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- how about no
Ah good, consistency is wonderful trait, highly underappreciated, in my humble opinion.
I would suggest, though, linking your own quoted post in your sig. It would help to assuage more people's quibbles with your own enjoyment of the quest and it helps plan makers design plans in such a way that tries to win your vote by intentionally adding in extra amounts of your favored traits of said quest. Rather than remembering each regular's most likely most important deciding factors in voting for a plan, simply having a list of each person's most desired preferences for a plan should make voting easier on both of you. It should certainly help with all of the pandering we tend to do as we edit our plans before the votes...
Hmm.
There's no reason why we shouldn't all do this and compile a list on a google doc for easy future reference. Since anyone should not be trusted with the power to misrepresent anyone else in the thread (or at least be tempted by it) we could have mandatory hyperlinks to posts in this thread to make sure everything on the document gets posted verbatim. If we all plainly state what it is exactly we want out of this entertainment as you did planning should be simplified down to creating a plan that you know will directly incorporate as many people's non-conflicting desires as possible. We'd still have to make it logically consistent, but that's what voting is for anyway in the face of fundamental disagreements. It would certainly take most of the guesswork out of plan-making with regards to 'are people actually going to vote for this?'. There will probably be some miscommunication if the plan-maker does not fulfill enough of what the regular truly wants in said regular's preferred type of plan, but all of the future plans shouldn't be so controversial to the point of being appalling (or at least being so controversial without a very good explanation).
This wouldn't replace the need to actually vote for something, but provisional... heuristic voting (name and patent pending further review) might make us more efficient with using our time in our voting time-frames in the long run.
I think it's worth a shot. Now to think of what I consider to be most important when it comes to this quest, specifically so that it can be kept in mind for plan-makers so they can count on my vote, but also what I will use to distinguish between two or more similar yet competing plans even with approval voting...
This is going to take some thought.
Dissonance
Luna's Luna
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- Ginnungagap.
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- S/H/T
Even as a casual, come-and-go reader here, I really like this idea.
Other ideas I like include, but are not limited to, leveraging UNU.
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