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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Radvic said:
Things to do:
  • Modify Night Light seal to output chakra by exerting a force instead of light, and allow for continual chakra input
  • Make a seal converting force to chakra
  • Connect up a couple pullies
  • Laugh as we harness infinite mechanical energy and chakra
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Actually, you don't need any kind of device like that. If you already have a seal that converts force to chakra... well... the planet rotates. Also gravity.
 
faflec said:
Unless the GMs decide to abandon the quest, in which case @Radvic probably loses since he didn't get the chance to test out WMDs.
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Oh, come now. Team Uplift may well get a front-row seat to a civilization-destroying* bomb that Hazou knows how to make! What more testing could anyone wish for?

* Seriously, has anyone ever studied what happens with dozens or hundreds of cascading seal failures? With normal seals that can only fail at infusion time, you're only ever facing one failure.
 
ThrawnCA said:
Oh, come now. Team Uplift may well get a front-row seat to a civilization-destroying* bomb that Hazou knows how to make! What more testing could anyone wish for?

* Seriously, has anyone ever studied what happens with dozens or hundreds of cascading seal failures? With normal seals that can only fail at infusion time, you're only ever facing one failure.
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Personally, I would be very surprised if Kagome hadn't witnessed such personally, and that's why he's so, uh, Kagome.
 
ThrawnCA said:
Oh, come now. Team Uplift may well get a front-row seat to a civilization-destroying* bomb that Hazou knows how to make! What more testing could anyone wish for?

* Seriously, has anyone ever studied what happens with dozens or hundreds of cascading seal failures? With normal seals that can only fail at infusion time, you're only ever facing one failure.
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I mean, this could be what happened to Whirlpool?
 
Cariyaga said:
Personally, I would be very surprised if Kagome hadn't witnessed such personally, and that's why he's so, uh, Kagome.
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But how could that be, when the only kind of seal that could chain-react is a chakra storage container, which he would never ever build?

All his paranoia applies when dealing with single seals.

Normally, incompetent sealmasters either wise up or die. In this case, one was smart enough to sell his poor seals only for low-risk environments - until he became the preferred vendor for the Chuunin exams, probably because he can make them so fast.
 
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$0.02 on the earlier discussion of "Hazou hasn't studied failure modes enough to be sure what will happen in an uncontrolled envelope failure":

If there are different failure modes, then it seems likely that different methods of destruction carry different risks. So, you'd expect different results from fast destruction vs slow; from burning vs soaking vs ripping; from starting in the center of the design, vs starting from different sides.

How convenient, then, that the swamp is full of children with a wide variety of destructive techniques at their disposal...
 
ThrawnCA said:
But how could that be, when the only kind of seal that could chain-react is a chakra storage container, which he would never ever build?

All his paranoia applies when dealing with single seals.

Normally, incompetent sealmasters either wise up or die. In this case, one was smart enough to sell his poor seals only for low-risk environments - until he became the preferred vendor for the Chuunin exams, probably because he can make them so fast.
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Do you think that's the only way for seals to chain-react? I mean, there's a reason that Kagome didn't allow us to 5SB the walls surrounding our sealcraft research stations, and that's because other active seals in close proximity to sealing research is inadvisable.
 
I feel like it's more an issue when researching seals than when using them, which is why Kagome would have witnessed them given his previously-stated experiences with less-than-sufficiently-paranoid-sealmasters
 
Keep in mind these seals are made in Mist, which also has combat seals which can store chakra, as demonstrated by the Wakahisa clan. Just as when Noburi's barrel is destroyed and his chakra water gets wrecked there is no sealing failure, it may be possible that when the night light seals are destroyed there will be no sealing failure. Hazou just hasn't seen or examined chakra storage seals before, and, as he mentioned, seal failures are not his field of expertise.
 
Radvic said:
Keep in mind these seals are made in Mist, which also has combat seals which can store chakra, as demonstrated by the Wakahisa clan. Just as when Noburi's barrel is destroyed and his chakra water gets wrecked there is no sealing failure, it may be possible that when the night light seals are destroyed there will be no sealing failure. Hazou just hasn't seen or examined chakra storage seals before, and, as he mentioned, seal failures are not his field of expertise.
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Being able to store chakra with a storage seal? That would be revolutionary, man. It's not likely though.
 
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Radvic said:
Keep in mind these seals are made in Mist, which also has combat seals which can store chakra, as demonstrated by the Wakahisa clan. Just as when Noburi's barrel is destroyed and his chakra water gets wrecked there is no sealing failure, it may be possible that when the night light seals are destroyed there will be no sealing failure. Hazou just hasn't seen or examined chakra storage seals before, and, as he mentioned, seal failures are not his field of expertise.
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I'm not so sure that the Wakahisa seals so much store chakra as they keep chakra from leaving the water stored in the barrel. Destroying the barrel just means the water the chakra is stored in leaks out as it normally would, and is also just generally splattered all over the place.
 
We should try to get Noburi into sealing. Because, really, we need to complete the Orochimaru mirroring.
 
It's not that expensive, we just haven't bothered because he needs to play catchup on Tac Move, etc.
 
Assuming the Night Light seals are deliberately this way, and that this is a trap or plot or intentional decision of some kind rather than incompetence, what can we infer?
 
rkyeun said:
Assuming the Night Light seals are deliberately this way, and that this is a trap or plot or intentional decision of some kind rather than incompetence, what can we infer?
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That Ren has no political ambitions at all?

Seriously, all the regular customers for these things are wealthy, thus presumably influential. If they found out that these products that they're putting in their kids' bedrooms are crazy dangerous, and that the kage knew about it but didn't tell them, they'll have her hide.

ETA Incidentally, Mist will not like being told about their mistake. Who wants to be known as the village that almost wiped out the world with a record-breaking mass seal failure, because they didn't check their sealcrafters' work?
 
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