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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
I'm probably going to sleep now so if you guys wanna make/propose changes please state them and discuss, and I'll add if there's no dissent.
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@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail Would attaching a macerator to a shuriken with pepper spray be sufficient for "nonlethal aoe" -- I know the mechanics might be different for melee use, but this seems like an acceptable compromise for ranged use such that we can have nonlethal AoEs.. Shuriken specfiically because you can place the seal on the bottom of it such that it's facing the opponent at the salient time.
@1234qwerty Akane will not be part of our team for the chuunin exams, and we're not sure if she'll be in them to begin with.
I really like the idea of a seal mimicking echolocation jutsu's sound. We could actually make that ourselves, I'm willing to bet.
@1234qwerty Akane will not be part of our team for the chuunin exams, and we're not sure if she'll be in them to begin with.
I really like the idea of a seal mimicking echolocation jutsu's sound. We could actually make that ourselves, I'm willing to bet.
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So did Sasuke and Sakura(?) not get promoted?
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Yes, although I would suggest waiting until the QMs have figured out the details on the various jutsu etc that are currently in the wind. Since you're waiting on us we have no problem allowing you to spend XP retroactively -- presumably you were training in <foo> all this time, whatever you decide <foo> was once you have the information to make an informed choice.
Note that voting closes at 4pm today. You have almost 8 hours.
You might also want to think about upping his Regeneration. Right now he has Capacity 100 CP and a Regen of 25 / 8 hrs. Yes, Noburi can top you up quickly but when he's having to do that for the entire team even his capacity starts to get strained -- especially when he's overcharging you and topping up Keiko for her very expensive Summoning technique. There's a limit to how many targets he'll have to drain; one of the techniques that you've used in the past (not shown onscreen, I think) is that just before bed he drains some CP from each team member who isn't in need of a refill, then they can recharge naturally overnight. At the Exams everyone will be low on CP all the time so that's not going to work as well. Jiraiya is unlikely to want to be a battery for you guys, since his combat abilities could potentially be necessary if things went pear-shaped.
To be more precise, current chakra stats (Capacity / Regen) are:
Noburi: 651 / 0
Hazō: 100 / 25
Keiko: 170 / 25
Akane: 100 / 20
Keiko spends most of her capacity each time she uses the Summoning technique, so having Noburi charge all of you gets challenging quickly.
My suspicion, which is shared by Keiko, is that this would be a reasonably effective counter to the Echolocation trick, as it would confuse the echoes by having multiple identical sound sources.
The bottom of a shuriken would be facing the ground, though...? Or are you suggesting throwing it over their heads?
My hot wash response is that this would not be terribly effective, since the macerators unstore things in a relatively linear fashion, not dispersing them in a wide area. Still, maybe I'm wrong about this. I'll talk it over with the others. (Actually, I suppose the misterators produce a large area of fog, although part of that is likely to be Noburi swinging his hand as he uses it. Meh, we'll talk about it.)
She will be in them.
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So here's how I picture it: You know how you can curve a thrown baseball, or whatever, right? Basically, Keiko throws the shuriken with the intent not to hit them, but to curve as it reaches them in time with the macerator going off to spray them in the face. I figure she's way better at throwing things than any baseball player in this world, so she'd be able to pull that kind of thing off.
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Also, rather than doing anything silly like increasing our base stats (Pssh) we should capture a collection of small chakra beasts to keep on Noburi. For extra draining.
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Which would mean she has a team. Right?
@faflec can you add "meet Akane's team, if she has one" to the plan, please?
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Man, Noburi really kind of needs some way to pull an AoE technique in order to capitalize on Syrup Trap/Goo Bomb personally, but unless we poured every point into a new aoe technique (and maybe not even then), he wouldn't be able to do much with it.
Maybe we can figure out a way to use seals with Water Whip?
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For Akane, we can either focus on non-chakra fighting -- in which case we can get her Strength and Stamina up to 13 apiece by the time of the exams, which would provide her with +9 dice against other Chuunin-level (40 dice) taijutsu users and +15 against similarly-leveled weapons users, or we can try boosting her chakra.
Or we can boost her Awareness so that she can hopefully get first-mover's advantage in combat.
I think that her fighting style actually might stack with Macerators, though -- presumably, it works by moving fast and hard, and using her superior durability to her advantage. Given that macerators launch faster when you punch faster... it could work?
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Oh shit. I just realized something.
So, implosion seals can be limitted to A-rank or B-rank injuries, right? Presumably, they explode with more force as they go in rank -- bruise ones don't do much on their own, etc.
Well, Akane could launch herself at an enemy with an implosion seal, tanking it out with Pangolin Technqiue.
Maybe we can figure out a way to use seals with Water Whip?
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For Akane, we can either focus on non-chakra fighting -- in which case we can get her Strength and Stamina up to 13 apiece by the time of the exams, which would provide her with +9 dice against other Chuunin-level (40 dice) taijutsu users and +15 against similarly-leveled weapons users, or we can try boosting her chakra.
Or we can boost her Awareness so that she can hopefully get first-mover's advantage in combat.
I think that her fighting style actually might stack with Macerators, though -- presumably, it works by moving fast and hard, and using her superior durability to her advantage. Given that macerators launch faster when you punch faster... it could work?
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Oh shit. I just realized something.
So, implosion seals can be limitted to A-rank or B-rank injuries, right? Presumably, they explode with more force as they go in rank -- bruise ones don't do much on their own, etc.
Well, Akane could launch herself at an enemy with an implosion seal, tanking it out with Pangolin Technqiue.
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Out of curiosity, how are you envisioning attaching the seal?
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Glue or a thread wound around the seal and shuriken.
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No, but explosion seals can.
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"Kagome-sensei, could you make a couple nonlethal implosion tags? I'd like to try integrating them into Keiko's--"
"Nonlethal implosion tags? As in, ones that won't boom-squish whatever stinker needs squishing? I'd never make something that stupid. Don't even know how."
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Please tell me that they produce enough force to do that. Please.
That's so awesome.
And also perfectly-Akane. Of course she'd be the one to fling herself at her opponent with a deadly (well, for most people) explosive.
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I don't fully trust this, however, because this is specifically what Leaf was telling Mist to set up the trap. Per current mission rules, a mission out of Fire Country, such as to Noodle, would automatically be B-rank, and so Naruto's mission being C-rank should tip some alarm bells in Mist. I assume Mist knows the broad strokes of how Leaf classifies missions because it doesn't seem like the sort of thing you'd feel a need to keep secret or would be able to anyways. Taking that, the fact that the mission is C-rank when I can't see a reason for it to not be B-rank casts the rest of the details into question in my mind, including the rank of Naruto's teammates.
On the other hand, though, the chuunin exams are a very public thing and if Naruto's teammates didn't get promoted in the exams Mist would know that they only way they'd be chuunin is through field promotion, so when composing the trap it would be better for Leaf to stick to the truth about what rank Naurto's teammates are.
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That chapter was written before the economics of missions were worked out.
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This is a floating +1 XP bounty for math on the plausibility of propelling yourself a meaningful distance/speed with an explosion that won't completely paste you (i.e. a B-class tag) - I am unconvinced that a meaningful amount of kinetic energy is imparted to the person jumping.
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There may also be special circumstances regarding unusual missions, training missions, or missions that are being sent overwhelming firepower.
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Can someone link me to the full economic analysis that I think @Radvic did? That's next on our agenda.
Hazō can cast MEW while underground as long as the surface is within range, since the technique will only form on the surface. MEW of both kinds are under discussion. We're not sure what 'natural constructs' are.Player QuINOA Doc said:
Can someone link me to the full economic analysis that I think @Radvic did? That's next on our agenda.
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Progress report on Combat Simulator/Dice Roller:
Preface: Thanks go to Xavion and Adad64 on the discord for helping.
I moved the project to Google Sheets instead because working with Google API is a hassle and I don't have to with Google Sheets. I've got it set to pull the salient numbers from the URL of a given character and put them in another tab for easy reference without constant loading from another page. I have a gscript function both for determining the number that the formula produces (ie 32, -70, etc.), with arguments for Your Roll, Their Roll, Your Dice, and Their Dice, and for, with the sucess number that the formula produces as an argument, saying what level of success or failure it is (ie A-level success, C-level success, B-level failure).
The difficult part -- actually making a sensible, usable UI, I have yet to start on. Because UIs are scary, scary things. For the UI, I intend to make it possible to pull a user-specified ~14 sets of skill dice and modify them as needed (ie, it might be easier to just make an ad hoc skill to account for Akane's varying efficacy with her fighting style), and from there keep track of how much chakra is expended (or restored, via Vamp Dew) via both technique use and chakra boosting.
As it stands now, for a super basic dice roller all I would have to do is create a function to roll the dice. I've got that mostly sorted, though I need to figure out the exact syntax necessary, and whether or not I should provide the numbers each die rolls. Do you think that to be necessary? It might be for a technique in the future -- say, one that rerolls all dice with a result lower than 10. it shouldn't be too hard to do so, either way -- just need to make an array for the numbers and figure out how to output them intelligibly.
For anyone interested to see the progress so far, it is available for your viewing pleasure here.
Preface: Thanks go to Xavion and Adad64 on the discord for helping.
I moved the project to Google Sheets instead because working with Google API is a hassle and I don't have to with Google Sheets. I've got it set to pull the salient numbers from the URL of a given character and put them in another tab for easy reference without constant loading from another page. I have a gscript function both for determining the number that the formula produces (ie 32, -70, etc.), with arguments for Your Roll, Their Roll, Your Dice, and Their Dice, and for, with the sucess number that the formula produces as an argument, saying what level of success or failure it is (ie A-level success, C-level success, B-level failure).
The difficult part -- actually making a sensible, usable UI, I have yet to start on. Because UIs are scary, scary things. For the UI, I intend to make it possible to pull a user-specified ~14 sets of skill dice and modify them as needed (ie, it might be easier to just make an ad hoc skill to account for Akane's varying efficacy with her fighting style), and from there keep track of how much chakra is expended (or restored, via Vamp Dew) via both technique use and chakra boosting.
As it stands now, for a super basic dice roller all I would have to do is create a function to roll the dice. I've got that mostly sorted, though I need to figure out the exact syntax necessary, and whether or not I should provide the numbers each die rolls. Do you think that to be necessary? It might be for a technique in the future -- say, one that rerolls all dice with a result lower than 10. it shouldn't be too hard to do so, either way -- just need to make an array for the numbers and figure out how to output them intelligibly.
For anyone interested to see the progress so far, it is available for your viewing pleasure here.