Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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Perhaps we should consider a different kind of seal research that is academic rather than hands-on. What do I mean?
The probability is high that there are going to be contestants using seals, seals that may well be foreign to our experience. Instead of spending two weeks for a minuscule improvement in our own sealing capability, what we might do is ask Kagome for a detailed breakdown of different types of seals used in the different nations and ways to recognize their effects, stregnths, and weaknesses.
For the sake of QM spoon drawers, this doesn't have to be an in-narration list. Rather it could get us a dice bonus to recognize some new seal if it appears in the Exams.
Not "necessary" as such. If you know the instant you need to turn head/close eyes and your opponent does not, then flashbangs can still work fine. Perhaps some practice with the team and setting up codes for when to avert eyes?
As for the pepper... I have an idea! What if you put small versions of Usamatsu's Glorious Life-Saving Purifier on seals stuck to Hazou's cheeks directly below his eyes? Would advocate including that as a specific suggestion, as the QMs have made clear that a general "experiment with" is less likely to get us somewhere than a specific suggestion.
This comes across as, "ask the QMs if they have an idea because we don't actually have an idea". How exactly is she supposed come up with an idea to use FS in combat when she never has before? If Hazou has an idea, then great. If he doesn't then it's unlikely to go anywhere.
I have an idea.
Suggest to Keiko that she use frozen skein pre-combat to simulate a fight before it happens. That way she's making educated guesses about what an opponent will do before she actually has to face them. The Exams, where you get to scope out the enemy ahead of time, is the perfect unique opportunity for it. This is also more likely to make the QMs allow it, as you can see why she would rarely have been able to use this before.
Not sure this helps, but I guess it can't hurt.
Remember that we need low power "non-lethal" explosives for the exam. We should make clear what percentage of the total explosives load-out is tuned to be non-lethal. I would suggest 50%.
Ash was suggested for this purpose, and it sounds good to me.
This is basically pepper spray.
Or how about NOT. That's an OPSEC breach waiting to happen. Suppose Hazou gets defeated in a (non-lethal) Exam fight and an opponent jacks his stuff. Could happen!
All of a sudden J-Random-Genin from Who-Knows-Where has a bunch of Skywalkers.
No, while in the Exam Jiraiya keeps all Skywalker seals on his person. If we need them, he can personally hand them to us.
So as not to be totally passive about this, I would have Hazou put forth the theory that he ought to demonstrate the breadth of his sealing knowledge. That's probably the most impressive thing he has that's not a bloodline.
I still don't know why the fuck we haven't asked Mari a simple question, "Hey, did you tell J all of K's crazy tailed beast/Akatsuki theories? Did you get any more information from him?" Get a yes/no out of it.
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I don't think the QMs are going to care much spoons about our seal loadouts.
Instead, we should refer to standard loadout, and figure out what we want. Or just tell the QM to specialize our seal loadout for chunin exams and have Jiraiya or Keiko keep the general loadouts in the summon realm in case of emergency.
Instead, we should refer to standard loadout, and figure out what we want. Or just tell the QM to specialize our seal loadout for chunin exams and have Jiraiya or Keiko keep the general loadouts in the summon realm in case of emergency.
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Impulse seals are better yes but don't think he can complete them in time for exams.
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The QMs specifically said that we'd have to specify the amount and type of seals that we have.
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I'll bet he could.
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I thought the team's sealmasters automatically produce the right amount of seals for general operations. It seems to me that we are micromanaging things instead of figuring out what we need to change for the exams.
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Nope. Explosives, yes, otherwise, no. (tacit AFAIK implied)
As far as I know, that is how our team operate. We produce a set amount of explosive, skywalker, etc every night. We never micromanage our inventory.
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You will notice that it has never been mentioned that we have Banshee Slayer earmuffs because we never worked on that, until just now we haven't worked on using macerators in combat in spite of having them for months, and we did not have any 5SB or LBF or anything on us when we were attacked by the Yakuza assassin.
Which doesn't contradict the existence of standard operating loadout.
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As far as I can tell you're arguing that we go with standard operating loadout for the chuunin exams, in which case we would not have those things, and certainly not in the quantity we'd need for Kagome-approved defenses.
If you're arguing that we allow the team to decide what seals are appropriate to bring in the background instead, I strongly suspect we would be dissapointed to find that others simply did not bring sufficient quantity, or certain types of seals.
That is a misunderstanding.
We should only change specifically what we need for the exam, and get rid of anything that is lethal, unless JIraiya/Mari thinks that's a dumb idea. And dump skywalkers or let Jiraiya hold on to it.
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If Jiraiya says not to take skywalkers do to opsec is totally legit. But not having a full load out of lethal seals is ridiculous
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This says we need to say what seals and how many of them we want with us.
I would say that we should have lethal seals, but not a full load out. Rather a partial load out. Some lethal seals for if fighting chakra beasts or other acceptable targets. Some non-lethal seals for matches where Hazou has to fight with kid gloves. I suggested a 50/50 ratio.
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Some edits made:
- Asked for lectures on hidden village-based seal usage.
- Expanded on Keiko's Frozen Skein section.
- Clarified Exam-specific seal usage.
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Perhaps a layout where we have ~350 lethal seals, and ~350 non-lethal seals? Maybe something like this?
(which I think is what the plans are using) Also, note that explosive seals have non-lethal applications for things like building infiltration, especially directional explosives. Also, area-of-attack seals like fire-log macerators can work as area denial attacks and intimidation tactics. Also, killing chakra beasts may be part of the exam, in which case we want all our 'lethal' seals. Like, assuming we can store ~1000 seals on our person, it seems worth it to bring ~1000 seals and not limit ourselves for little reason. Not taking skywalkers or other classified seals makes sense, but not taking explosive seals (which is what I assume you mean by "non-lethal loadout") seems like a bit silly, since it will either save us or do nothing. Our advantage is that we can be prepared for everything. We have fewer years of experience than most of the chunin contenders, and we likely have lower stats than most of the contenders, but the thing we can have that they probably won't is stupid numbers of seals. Also, note that it takes ~250 hours of sealmaster time to prep the proposed loadout for all our genin. Our advantage is basically "great power at the cost of lots of risky prep time," which means we need to actually spend the risky prep time to do it. Right now, we have access to sealing labs and two great sealmasters (though Jiraiya's time is limited). We should take advantage of that.
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Interesting. Didn't know that. I'd suggest a 100-100-100 split then. I really don't think we're going to need 300 full explosive seals, especially if we can get directional explosives from Kagome.
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@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail Obligatory ping for the new jutsu shinies, or to allow us to retroactively put XP into training plans since we don't know them.