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The Waves Arisen is a pretty good rational naruto fan-fiction, for people who haven't read it before. Since we're currently recommending fiction.
Yeah, seconding this one. There's some really cool participants in that quest, especially that Cariyaga guy.I would personally recommend Marked for Death, it's really nice even if it's incomplete.
I would personally recommend Marked for Death, it's really nice even if it's incomplete.
I've read the first chapter, but never continued. Probably because the story had no obvious direction, but I can't be sure.The Waves Arisen is a pretty good rational naruto fan-fiction, for people who haven't read it before. Since we're currently recommending fiction.
LUtD was great, Team Anko made changes to the characters without a clear purpose, so I also didn't get past the first chapter. 2YE was okayish, but I wish he'd stuck to munchkinning the DnD rules, instead of GM-ruling that the fall damage rules don't apply to orbital strikes, and I never finished after the somewhat melodramatic 'resurrecting the dead worker' scene, which was either too melodramatic or not melodramatic enough.
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HERESY.
There's this unfinished story called Ninja Trails that's really neat.
Also, TIL that A Practical Guide to Evil is still going. I stopped afterCatherine became the governor or something like that, and there was the epilogue-thing that implied the story was over.
In unrelated news, I just did some math and Noburi is 825 EXP away from 60 dice via Water Whip 49 and Hozuki's Mantle 33. Hazou is 941 EXP away from 60 dice via Taijutsu 48, Roki 12, and Deception 24. Akane needs to earn 770 EXP to get 60 dice against a Taijutsu specced Jonin with 60 dice via STR+STA 23 and Youthful Fist 8. It technically costs her 924, 770 is what she would need to earn to have enough Conditioning and Normal EXP together to get 60 dice. From hereon out, if what we want is more combat dice for Akane it's actually optimal to put EXP into STR+STA before both are at 28. Getting Keiko to Weapons 60 will cost 1694 EXP. It's becoming increasingly apparent Keiko urgently needs a Weapons Style.
Are you thinking that Roki is stronger or Youthful Fist of the Mythological Beast That Is Really Strong and Tough is stronger?
(I think it's Roki but I'm honestly not clear myself.)
The chunin (with the exception of Keiko) are all relatively even in terms of marginal EXP costs to get them to 60 dice against a jounin with Taijutsu 60.
I actually made an error there, I forgot to account for the fact that Hozuki's Mantle scales off of Stamina and Resolve. Accounting for that, Noburi needs 907.5 EXP to get to Water Whip 52, RES+STA 8, and Hozuki's Mantle 24. I also erred in that it's actually more efficient to put Akane's EXP into STR+STA until she has 30 of both, not 28.
Youthful Fist is actually dramatically more powerful than Roki.
The EXP cost of Youthful Fist is best compared with the cost of getting Akane to the point that she rolls evenly against a pure Taijutsu ninja. After Akane hits STR+STA 30 it stops being optimal for her to invest EXP only in STR+STA and Youthful Fist, and she should start putting points in Taijutsu again. At that point she would be fighting equally with someone with Taijutsu 72. Getting to that point from scratch would cost 3912 EXP and Akane 2300 EXP (for Taijutsu 36, Youthful Fist 12 and STR+STA 30). Someone using youthful fist but not the pangolin jutsu would need 2760 EXP; Youthful Fist costs about 59% as much EXP to get to 72 dice compared to pure Taijutsu, 71% without the pangolin jutsu.
For comparison, from scratch it would cost Noburi 2715 EXP to get to Control 15, RES+STA 12, Water Whip 60, and Hozuki's Mantle 36 for 72 dice. About 69% as much EXP as it would take to get Taijutsu 72.
Iron Nerve doesn't measure up. From scratch it would cost Hazou 3231 EXP (82% the cost of Taijutsu 72) to get to Taijutsu 57eff60, Deception 24, and Roki 12. It would cost him 3408 EXP (87%) to get to that level if he didn't have Iron Nerve. He needs to have higher than 60 Taijutsu for it to be a better idea to put EXP into Deception and Roki than into Taijutsu, taking attribute costs into account, so from hereon out Hazou's Roki boost won't be getting any higher. Furthermore, Hazou won't get a boost against Jonin with high Deception. As it is, Roki is pretty under-powered.
If the GMs want to bring Roki up to par, changing the Roki bonus from (1/2)*(Deception) to just Deception changes the cost to 2749 EXP (70%)to get to 72 dice with Iron Nerve, 2890 EXP (73%) without Iron Nerve. It also makes it optimal to keep Deception and Roki at about 1/2 of Taijutsu, which makes more sense than the current version wherein it basically never makes sense to invest in Deception and Roki. This would, however, make Hazou only 470 EXP from rolling 60 dice. However, cap the Roki bonus at 1/2 Taijutsu instead of Taijutsu and Hazou is instead 704 EXP away from 60 dice (via Taijutsu 40, Roki 20, and Deception 24). Less than the others in marginal EXP, but higher in total EXP cost; Hazou has simply already invested very large amounts of EXP into Deception. With this system Roki would be a bit less powerful than Youthful Fist, if we're considering the skills in a vacuum and not counting bonuses from the pangolin jutsu and Iron Nerve. Changing Roki like this would also bring Hazou's total EXP costs to get to a certain number of dice roughly in line with Noburi's.
Yay, more evidence for my theory! (Which boils down to "all the best artists develop an internal metric for their art, based on lots of data points, so they're almost exclusively autodidacts"
Ah, useful. My guess, in that case, is that music school tends to more closely approximate apprenticeship than it does anything else, and I don't have the data for that.I'm not sure how strictly you're defining "autodidact" (I assume Velorien learned things about writing in primary school), and it certainly requires going beyond what you were taught to innovate, but my impression from all the time I've spent around the classical music community is that teachers are crucial. I'm strictly on the performance side of things, but it seems to still hold less strongly on the composition side, where innovation is more important.
Okay, that's the big three; what about every other composer I've been impressed by? (Quotes from the relevant Wiki articles)
- J. S. Bach, best composer of all time, was taught by his relatives and attended music school for two years.
- Mozart, a child prodigy, was taught by his dad.
- Beethoven couldn't find his teacher because he was Haydn.
Performance is entirely one-sided I happen to have been part of several masterclasses from cellists from the Philadelphia orchestra, one of the Big Five, so let's look there. Choices quotes from every bio:
- Josquin des Prez, we don't have records for, but it sure looks like he studied under Ockeghem.
- Corelli, according to Wikipedia, "initially studied music under a priest in the nearby town".
- Handel's Wikipedia article has an entire section dedicated to his musical education.
- Schubert "was occasionally permitted to lead the Stadtkonvikt's orchestra, and Salieri decided to start training him privately in music theory and even in composition."
- Paganini's "progress quickly outpaced their abilities. Paganini and his father then traveled to Parma to seek further guidance from Alessandro Rolla. But upon listening to Paganini's playing, Rolla immediately referred him to his own teacher, Ferdinando Paer and, later, Paer's own teacher, Gasparo Ghiretti. Though Paganini did not stay long with Paer or Ghiretti, the two had considerable influence on his composition style."
- Mendelssohn's Wiki article has an entire section dedicated to his musical education
- Wagner's "first lessons in harmony were taken during 1828–31 with Christian Gottlieb Müller" and in 1831 "He took composition lessons with the Thomaskantor Theodor Weinlig."
- Tchaikovsky attended conservatory prior to any major composition
- Dvořák studied music theory under his language teacher and later Franz Hanke.
- David Popper attended Prague Conservatory.
- Fauré attended École de Musique Classique et Religieuse at age 9.
- Stravinsky, in 1905, "began to take twice-weekly private lessons from Rimsky-Korsakov", which lasted for three years.
- Philip Glass studied composition at Juilliard.
(For those paying attention, 8/10 have graduated from either Juilliard or Curtis.)
- "Ms. Ni began cello studies with her mother and later studied at the Shanghai Conservatory. She continued her musical education with Irene Sharp at the San Francisco Conservatory, Joel Krosnick at the Juilliard School, and William Pleeth in London."
- "she began studying at the age of five" "she studied with Ronald Leonard at the Colburn School of Performing Arts and in 1998 went on to the Curtis Institute of Music to study with David Soyer. In 2005 she received a Master of Music degree from the Mannes College of Music, where she studied with Timothy Eddy."
- "Ms. Kendall began studying cello at the age of five... [and] continued to study for seven years with the National Symphony's principal cello, David Hardy." She also graduated from Curtis.
- "Mr. Harlow was born into a musical family and began cello studies at the age of five. While earning a Bachelor of Music degree at the University of Michigan, he studied with Oliver Edel and Samuel Mayes, former principal cello of The Philadelphia Orchestra."
- "Mrs. dePasquale credits the public school music program of her home town for her introduction to the cello. She graduated with honors with both her Bachelor of Music and Master of Music degrees from the New England Conservatory of Music in Boston where she was a student of Stephen Geber."
- "she studied the piano with her mother from the age of five and began cello lessons when she was 10. She attended the University of Wisconsin and holds a Bachelor of Music degree from the University of Illinois and a Master of Music degree from Boston University."
- "Mr. Cafaro was born in New York City and began cello studies at age nine. He entered the Juilliard Preparatory Division as a scholarship student and later enrolled in the Juilliard School, where he received Bachelor and Master of Music degrees."
- "His classical music training began at the age of seven in Tel-Aviv, studying with Uzi Wiesel, supported by the American Israel Cultural Foundation. Later he came to the United States to study with Leonard Rose at the Juilliard School, and conducting at the Curtis Institute of Music with Max Rudolph."
- "Mr. Koen studied at the Curtis Institute of Music"
- "A graduate of the Curtis Institute of Music in 1991"
- "Mr. Veltman studied at the Central Music School (an affiliate of the Moscow Conservatory of Music) with his mother, who is also a professional cellist. When he was 13 his family emigrated to New York, where he continued his studies with Harvey Shapiro at the Juilliard School, first at the preparatory division and then at the college, where he earned a bachelor's degree in 1988. He also received a master's degree from the Yale University School of Music"
Yo-Yo Ma graduated from Juilliard where he studied under Leonard Rose. Itzhak Perlman graduated from Juilliard. Josh Bell was taught by Indiana University faculty, and later graduated from there. Each member of Apocalyptica graduated from the Sibelius Academy. Break of Reality was founded by Eastman graduates, but has now expanded to add Juilliard and Indiana University graduates. The cellist who played the solo in the Angel theme graduated from Juilliard. Impossible Duet guy graduated from Eastman. (BTW, that's a really mediocre rendition. Check out the Julia Fischer/Daniel Muller-Schott one instead.)
It is my understanding that, at a professional level, auditions are universally done blind. Yet, I can't find an example of a really excellent classical musician who hasn't gone to the music!Harvard/MIT/Stanford or their country's equivalent thereof. I get reverse causality, and it might be that musicians are better at identifying young talent, but I find it extremely suspicious that I'm literally unable to generate a single example of a plucky autodidact accomplishing performance worth squat on a classical instrument, even though you'd expect blind audition and the nature of performance (in which getting paid is one step fewer removed from credentialing) to favor them.
As for me, I read for fun and to get ideas, and then when I notice something cool (like 'oh, so that's why some games are more fun than others') I remember it. Learning skills is basically a side effect, though it can be a really really useful side effect.Personally, I find that I"m much more comfortable being taught than working things out for myself, but that's as much due to the context of it; there's a tacit acceptance of mistakes when you're being taught, even of one's own self, whereas when working on my own, I'm much less forgiving.
Yay math!
Though I do pretty much agree with you for a more in depth analysis we do have to try to figure out the relative value of buying a deception dice on its own.
Basically we will have to figure out whatever amount of exp we want to have spend on deception independent of looking at Roki and then deduct that from the relative cost to get taijutsu 60 equivalent
Flattery will get you
Thanks for the feedback. (Sincere, not snarky.) Can you expand on what changes I made to the characters in Team Anko? Orochimaru, of course, became a rationalist but that was the whole point. His canon behavior made no sense and I wanted to explore what happened if he was changed. Anko I never really had a handle on from canon so she's probably different. I didn't use Shino's verbal tic and I gave him a crush on Hinata but I tried to stay close otherwise. I thought I was pretty close on Hinata, but I may have made her more angsty than she was in canon.I've read the first chapter, but never continued. Probably because the story had no obvious direction, but I can't be sure.
LUtD was great, Team Anko made changes to the characters without a clear purpose, so I also didn't get past the first chapter. 2YE was okayish, but I wish he'd stuck to munchkinning the DnD rules, instead of GM-ruling that the fall damage rules don't apply to orbital strikes, and I never finished after the somewhat melodramatic 'resurrecting the dead worker' scene, which was either too melodramatic or not melodramatic enough.
I recommend Doctor McNinja. Also Schlock Mercenary, Girl Genius, Ow, My Sanity, I'm Here To Help, and Harry Potter and the Natural 20, and at least a dozen others - be back in a few hours with the list and the links.
Links?
Thanks.https://m.fanfiction.netighting-Up-the-Dark
By the spectacular @Velorien
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Your computer is corrupted, please destroy it before Skynet takes over.Thanks.
BTW, @faflec, I notice that many "spoiler" tags, this one of your included, seem to be empty on my machine--just a dot when I open them up. Any idea what's going on?
Yeah, maybe it's something like that. The weird thing is, some spoiler tags open up normally and some just show me a dot.Your computer is corrupted, please destroy it before Skynet takes over.
Serious: No idea. Maybe you have some adblock or something on?
And I still don't.