Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
Dissonance
Luna's Luna
- Location
- Ginnungagap.
- Pronouns
- S/H/T
That also assumes we don't get pasted.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
I like Vampiric Dew/Tac Move. There's lots of interesting things he could do with Vampiric Dew.
e: Particularly if he gets good enough to do it with latent humidity... at that point, he might want to let it get out that he can drain through mist anyway
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- Location
- The Void
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- She/Her
I like Vampiric Dew/Tac Move. There's lots of interesting things he could do with Vampiric Dew.
e: Particularly if he gets good enough to do it with latent humidity... at that point, he might want to let it get out that he can drain through mist anyway
Well just a note if he gets another level in water whip he can chakra boost one more time (which tbh Noburi should never not chakra boost) After that it's cheaper for him to buy another water clone than level water whip. Also he can get syrup trap up pretty high for cheap
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Dammit I want him to get Vamp Dew to 40 though!
Raxner
The most dangerous man in an empty room
- Location
- Israel
It would be a nice dramatic ending, too. Not as good as the pre-retcon version, though, because MUCH less of a surprise.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
In general. Also, some idea of where you learned your various writing skills would be interesting.
Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
- Location
- Left of Center
Huh, it just occured to me that Minami might not be defecting.
Even if it's unlikely compared to defection, her actions are consistent with a thought process of:
Even if it's unlikely compared to defection, her actions are consistent with a thought process of:
- Great. These people, who are clearly strong, think I'm a threat because I know a secret of theirs.
- I can't kill them because they're the Hokage's clan.
- They're still killers who would eliminate me as a threat the second I close my eyes.
- I need to de-escalate, and fast, because there's no way I'll survive this if it gets violent. The best I can do is take some of them down with me.
- I have to reveal a clan secret of my own, so that we can have parity. A reason for them to not kill me.
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- Location
- Nova Scotia
That would be beautiful.
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- The Void
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- She/Her
So in no particular order this is where I think Noburi should be spending his exp for a while
Training Noburi low hanging fruit
Water Whip 35 (35)
Water clone 13 (41.5)
Water clone 14 (48.5)
Water clone 15 (56)
Water clone 16 (64)
Water clone 17 (72.5)
Water Clone 18 (81.5)
Syrup Trap 13 (88)
Syrup Trap 14 (95)
Syrup Trap 15 (102.5)
Syrup Trap 16 (110.5)
Syrup Trap 17 (119)
Syrup Trap 18 (128)
Stealth 12 (140)
Stealth 13 (153)
Stealth 14 (167)
Stealth 15 (182)
Control 14 (210)
Training Noburi low hanging fruit
Water Whip 35 (35)
Water clone 13 (41.5)
Water clone 14 (48.5)
Water clone 15 (56)
Water clone 16 (64)
Water clone 17 (72.5)
Water Clone 18 (81.5)
Syrup Trap 13 (88)
Syrup Trap 14 (95)
Syrup Trap 15 (102.5)
Syrup Trap 16 (110.5)
Syrup Trap 17 (119)
Syrup Trap 18 (128)
Stealth 12 (140)
Stealth 13 (153)
Stealth 14 (167)
Stealth 15 (182)
Control 14 (210)
Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
- Location
- Left of Center
Under the assumption that we survive the next update, we do need to make sure Kagome is contained/rehabilitated.
For Kagome containment we need to put him in time-out, without taking away his explosive safety blanket. My suggestion is, for the rest of the trip, Kagome should only be allowed to sleep in a separate (albeit nearby) skytower from the rest of the team. One under a separate dome. It'll make keeping a watch and communicating a bit annoying but it's a clear rebuke of his actions, doesn't significantly threaten his safety, and also acts as a signal to Minami that we care about her safety.
Edit: We also have to make sure it's clear that Minami's concerns about a slab on the wrist are addressed. Because Kagome has done bad things, we also should make sure Hazou makes redress to everyone for his part in all of this. (Anyone have ideas on new trump cards we can give Noburi?)
For Kagome containment we need to put him in time-out, without taking away his explosive safety blanket. My suggestion is, for the rest of the trip, Kagome should only be allowed to sleep in a separate (albeit nearby) skytower from the rest of the team. One under a separate dome. It'll make keeping a watch and communicating a bit annoying but it's a clear rebuke of his actions, doesn't significantly threaten his safety, and also acts as a signal to Minami that we care about her safety.
Edit: We also have to make sure it's clear that Minami's concerns about a slab on the wrist are addressed. Because Kagome has done bad things, we also should make sure Hazou makes redress to everyone for his part in all of this. (Anyone have ideas on new trump cards we can give Noburi?)
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- The Void
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- She/Her
I would keep him in the same tower but strip him of all his seals, paper, and ink. Then always have a double watch going and remove kagome from the rotation
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Note that Air Dome only lasts twenty minutes. When sleeping in a skytower part of the guard's job is to keep refreshing them. Telling Kagome to sleep in his own dome means he either doesn't sleep or sleeps without protection.
(This is to the best of my recollection-- @Velorien, @OliWhail , correct me if I'm wrong.)
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- Yes.
I think it'd be smarter to give Minami a separate set of Skytowers/Air Domes/other defensive seals, because it's blatantly obvious that Kagome won't kill any of us.
Conventional punishment in meaningless here. His one, absolute supergoal is, "Protect my family". Nothing else, not the threat of punishment, not his family telling him no, not even his family hating him is going to matter. The only things which might sink in are, "Your behavior needs to change because it endangered the family in the clearly understandable way", and, only possibly, "If this happens again it won't be your family anymore. We will drive you out and literally kill you if you try to stay."
He needs the reality of the situation explicitly laid out for him. Either he gets it, or he doesn't, and nothing else is going to matter. He gets a struggle session of exactly how he betrayed everyone, exactly how it could have gone wrong, exactly how exactly the same screw-up went wrong when he did it before, exactly how everybody very justifiably feels about it, and if by the end he isn't blubbering and begging not to be exiled we know that he is irredeemable and needs to be left in one of J's safehouses somewhere until everybody can figure out how to deal with him.
You'll never convince him not to overreact to perceived threats, but it's at least possible that he might be convinced that he can't betray the family's trust by deceptively overriding their judgement with his own when he knows that the situation isn't urgent and/or that they disagree.
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Dissonance
Luna's Luna
- Location
- Ginnungagap.
- Pronouns
- S/H/T
I originally read that as "have a party."
[](/surprisepartyponk)
On the off-chance someone wants to pass secret~ish messages and stuff, install BetterPonyMotes and configure it to display emotes outside of Reddit. Also, send messages with BBCode color="transparent".
I need to get out more.
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HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
I think it'd be easier for us to have it split into 'boys' and 'girls' camps, if we do it that way. Safer, more pleasant for all involved, gives a polite fiction for those of the team who don't always prefer blunt truth to fall back on.
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- The Void
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- She/Her
So @eaglejarl @OliWhail and @Velorien one more pointless thought about why Mist Drain wasn't a secret at all. Mari has twice been mind scanned after Noburi learned the technique. Now I don't know how in depth these things actually are but if I was Jiraiya I would definitely have my agents try to get as much info on the team's capabilities as possible especially after the hot spring incident when he might have had to kill us. As a second point Akane was in the village for several months and that girl can't hide anything to save her life. Any competent T.I. officer would have sucked every secret she had on the team out of her. So we can probably suspect that any clan secrets we showed to each other are at least known to parts of Leaf if not the village at large.
Edit: I mean we should assume that all of Jiraiya's agents know all of our secrets
Edit: I mean we should assume that all of Jiraiya's agents know all of our secrets
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- Yes.
The problem is that Minami knows. A random Chunin with no evidence of competence from Kagome's mind.
Dissonance
Luna's Luna
- Location
- Ginnungagap.
- Pronouns
- S/H/T
Hey, it's a nice even split, too.
Akane, Keiko, Minami
Hazo, Kagome, Noburi.
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- The Void
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- She/Her
Oh yeah Kagome could still totally want to murder her. But that's cause Kagome is a crazy paranoid person. Just laying out more reasons on why Hazou might not have considered this to be an OPSEC breach. If it's allready a known secret telling one more person isn't the worst thing
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- Yes.
Ah I see, makes sense that way. It's still stupid but it's Hazou stupid.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
IF only we'd thought of that sooner
- Location
- UK
Indeed, I was chronologically confused here.
If "Summon Realm diplomacy/spycraft" means other summoners know who and where summoners are, we have a contradiction because we would not have managed to stay missing-nin, and Jiraiya would not have gotten us a summoning scroll (or would have warned us beforehand), due to its impact on our use as deniable assets. Otherwise, keeping such information on a need-to-know basis still buys us protection. Yes, it's far from perfect protection, but we don't have that with mist drain either: a whole other clan knows the technique better than we do.
My point is that Kagome's acting as he is in a boneheaded attempt to protect us, though from what I still haven't figured out. To him, the difference between "let's share this secret that's exceptionally good at keeping us safe in order to gain favour with Leaf" is not qualitatively different to "let's share this secret that's sort'a-useful for keeping us safe in order to handle our missions as a team more safely". There's obviously a quantitative difference; skywalkers are a billion times bigger, and Leaf has a billion times as many Dumbutts, but there is no difference in kind.
Perhaps you've forgotten how many times we've directly benefitted from Hazō's seal-copying ability not being known?
If word gets around Leaf that Noburi can drain through mist, fine. All that means is we get to plan better. If someone tries to blackmail us with this information, we're like, "what you gonna' do? Tell other Leaf guys and make no meaningful impact to our lives? Tell Sand and betray the Hokage? Though telling Sand would hurt Mist more than Leaf, which probably balances in our favour anyway." If word gets around Leaf that Hazō can copy seals, we've lost an extremely attractive way of gathering new seals. I mean, that's not even that bad given, you know, Jiraiya, but it certainly actually causes a problem.
And let's say we get attacked by two different teams, both of whom have different pieces of this leaked information. The first knows Noburi's mist drain, so "cleverly" decides to attack him first. Well, good, because Noburi's the currently the person best able to defend himself, and the rest of us should consider "throw 100 seals from the air" to be a better strategy anyway. The other group comes prepared for a guy whose main ability is the ability to copy seals. I'm not sure what best-practice anti-sealing is, but that sounds like a group that actually poses a threat.
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