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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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doooooo iiiiiiiiiiiit
It did occur to me after last chapter that the whole "Sage and Dummy replacing important children" thing sounds like it would look remarkably similar to the canonical Ashura/Indra reincarnation cycle.
Aw, lay off him. He's saying that if you reveal the sources then Sage will destroy them and then no one will be able to find things out from them in the future.
Its possible they do use reincarnation (or overwrite their new hosts via life-force transfer) and Kagome is misinterpreting the data.
One thing that jumps out at me is that apparently Dummy is still alive in Rain, despite no longer being able to drain lifeforce. How long ago were those events supposed to have happened?
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Oh I almost forgot, yay nighmare fuel!
If what Kagome said about Chakra is right, the Sage has way more than enough power to win, he's just catastrophically incompetent.
Chakra was possibly the worst thing that ever happened to humanity.
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Or he's just normal-levels of incompetent but his insane power levels make his mistakes catastrophic by comparison.
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Alternatively, the Sage is dead. Or... the Sage is that powerful, but there are things in play which stop even him.
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Remember people that the sage and dummy have been around for thousands of years and we still live in a death world. There's also the fact that there use of scorch squads are leading to the potential extinction of humanity. That's before you get into how big of monsters they are
Being an idealist could also factor in. If he's dedicated towards trying to get mankind to sort itself out by working from the shadows like he's the God Emperor of Mankind was in 40k before he decided to start the Imperium, then he's going to fail because he's trying to do something ridiculously complicated.
I mean, setting himself up as the God Emperor of the Shinobi world and slapping down anyone who tried to stop him should be viable if he's as powerful as Kagome is indicating, but he might be so emotionally invested in the idea of not doing things that way that he just won't try to do things differently. Plus any system that just puts him at the top as dictator would be completely dependent upon him, which means that if someone did manage to perma-kill him that the system would collapse with him gone.
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I mean, Kagome said that Dummy tried this and it worked, but people still kept dying so Sage and Dummy started bitching at each other.
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Maybe body surfing weakens them and/or locks certain powers, as 'Hashimara' the Sage would be able to use the Wood Element but as Sarutobi this is not possible. With all the bullshit that keeps happing they are sometimes locked out of certain abilities for decades and so eveything turns to shit again. Just assuming they are incompetent seems a bit arrogant to me, Hazou&Co aren't really the pinnacle of not-fucking-things-up.
Alternatively, maybe they can just influence their hosts and not actually control them, forcing them to guide them which results in all kinds of shenanigans.
Alternatively, maybe they can just influence their hosts and not actually control them, forcing them to guide them which results in all kinds of shenanigans.
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Kagome: the self-insert gone horribly right.
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I said MfD is a Ra fanfiction, but did you all listen to me?
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I wonder how literal that is.
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I'm a little confused about two things.
First, I was pretty sure that in-story Hazo and team had already twice determined that they could not go for clan status, the other clans would make it impossible. So how did it happen?
Second, why is everyone taking it for granted that Kagome, the well-known insane conspiracy theorist, is accurately describing the World-As-It-Is, and not the World-As-His-Fever-Dreams-Make-It-Seem?
First, I was pretty sure that in-story Hazo and team had already twice determined that they could not go for clan status, the other clans would make it impossible. So how did it happen?
Second, why is everyone taking it for granted that Kagome, the well-known insane conspiracy theorist, is accurately describing the World-As-It-Is, and not the World-As-His-Fever-Dreams-Make-It-Seem?
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We were wrong because we managed to convince Jiraiya, who is a powerhouse in his own right.
What if I told you that we haven't automatically believed everything Kagome's said?
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We put it in as a highball offer, with Mari using her joke about marrying Jiraiya and having him adopt the kids as a possible way to do it. In high end negotiations you almost always highball - the sticker price for a car or house is usually more than you'd actually end up paying, but the seller wants you to try to accept the best price they can get out of you. The intention was that Leaf would bargain down to what we expected to get, but it turns out that Jiraiya's incentives to actually go along with the idea were strong enough that he went for it, and that the Hogake's incentives to accept it were also strong enough that he's willing to burn political capital to get it done.
Not everyone is doing that, and much discussion has gone into that vein of thought.
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Clarification, I meant to ask why the Hazo and the other characters appear to be taking Kagome's story seriously? I wasn't referring to the discussion thread.
It's most likely that the other characters are taking what Kagome is saying with a grain of salt, but there's been enough things Kagome has been right about in the past that seemed crazy to mean that there's likely a great deal of truth in it as well and thus they are taking it seriously enough that it is coming across as them doing so fully. For instance, Keiko's Frozen Skein bloodline sounds a lot like it's contacting the chakra entity superintelligence based on the fact that the Frozen Skein urges its user to just give up and be passive.
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I am for doing this. If we can't trust Jiraiya we're already screwed anyway.