*delurking*
Bottom line, firearms are useless against ninja except from ambush...which is exactly how a civilian uprising should fight. If you're shooting from 175 yards away (the effective range of the Brown Bess musket) you've got a reasonable chance of killing one ninja. Unfortunately, it's pretty likely that the people who take the shot will end up dead, because that ninja's friends will come shunshining over and cut your heads off.
Yeah, methinks that you underestimate just how badly the civilians have things stacked against them.

How do you hide the scent of people from Inuzuka/sensitive ninja/ninja with summons? Or of gunpowder?
How do you see in lowlight conditions, or sneak into their proximity?
Whence comes your intelligence of their travel routes when they have no need to take the roads?

Where do you get the weapons?
The Brown Bess was an 18th century weapon, the result of several hundred years of evolution in warfare, and required skilled artisans to make.
When genin can walk in and stab your artisans to death under henge, since the materials for making this in quantity is easy to track, and the knowledge is passed down from master to apprentice?

And that's without considering the incredible durability of even mook ninja; look at the kind of brutalization that chuunin like Iruka can take.
Or the fact that genin like Zaku in the Chuunin Exams survived having his arms blown off.
Or the size of the cavity that Kidomaru blew in Neji's chest.

That's the thing, though; with the largest village having 1200-1500 ninja, there's probably something like 10k ninja in the entire world. A single ninja death is a MASSIVE loss to their proportional combat power. More importantly, it takes years to train a ninja, and you need to start young. More importantly, there aren't very many candidates who can become ninja.
1)We actually see the Alliance had some 80k active duty shinobi during the 4th War, which works out to at least 10k for each of the Big Five.

2)We have no idea what percentage of the population can be trained to become active chakra users.
Even if you assume only 1% of the population has the potential, and the ninja only get half of that, you'd need only a population of 2 million people to support a force of 10,000 ninja.

And given that I recall you comparing the Land of Fire to the UK in size, I will point out that IRL, England alone had a population of ~3 million by 1350.
Demography of England - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That's without counting Ireland/Scotland/Wales

Japan, OTOH, had a population of between 7-9.5 million by 1300 AD
Demographic history of Japan before the Meiji Restoration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You're a civilian insurrection and you want to eliminate ninja? Shooting them from range is a sucker's game. Blow up their schools, put lead in their water supply to leave their babies dead or retarded, and wait a generation.
How do you blow up their schools? Explosives are not the provenance of civilians, and processing large amounts of gunpowder is conspicuous as hell. And that's even assuming you have the trained personnel to do so. Or to move it, and get it inside a ninja village.

How do you poison people with superior medical knowledge and personnel?
Even without Tsunade, consider the medical and pharmaceutical knowledge necessary to cook up an Inuzuka soldier pill. Or one of the Akimichi ones. Or for a chuunin to perform an eye transplant under field conditions.

You need industrial amounts of lead to poison a watershed, and that again is conspicuous as hell.
If shit was this easy, ninja villages would do it to each other.

How do you make longterm plans against an enemy with superior command and control, as well as the ability to decapitate your command structure at will?

The way you've been describing this world, all the force multiplication abilities are on the side of the ninja, and they compound that by being orders of magnitude better at asymmetrical warfare to boot.
Only chance a civilian insurrection would have is if it was basically someone else's proxy.

Unless otherwise specified, the rational Narutoverse derives from the de-insanification of Naruto canon, and all filler content is ignored.
Do note that Naruto filler also gave us Hinata's Chakra Laser Field of Defense, which
is probably the one thing that I approve of from filler.
Of course, given that it's rumored Studio Pierrot has a hardon for Hinata, perhaps it's not so surprising she gets the only halfway decent thing from it.

If you believe the ninja registration numbers, Sarutobi Hiruzen's ninja registration number is 261 and Konohamaru's ninja registration number is 12707.
Would a ninja village keep the same numbering scheme over ~60 years? Instead of swapping things around every decade or so?
Would a Japanese-derived setting do so?

You'll find that pre-modern Japanese history was into periodization, and measured things in Eras or nengō; still do, actually
List of Japanese era names - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As you can see, the damn things changed anywhere from 3 years to two decades; only in modern times are we having nengō last upwards of four decades.

I find that we miss a lot of cultural cues we don't have the background to know are there, even in stuff as seemingly simple as shounen.
I think he changed a lot of world background info between arcs. Remember how in the first episode the Hokage has a crystal ball with which he can observe Naruto anywhere, at any distance?
Point of order:
We only see it,IIRC, used on Naruto .
The dude with a sapient chakra entity stuffed into his stomach, and a cutting-edge Death God-approved seal on top of said cage.
There is no reason to assume that said crystal ball has unlimited range, works on anyone else, or indeed can work on someone without a given beacon on him.

Consider the history of Konoha's jinchuuriki.
Mito was a grown woman, and too badass to be fucked with when she became one.
On the other hand, Kushina was first kidnapped as a teenager(by Kumo), and then later lost bijuu confinement during delivery of Naruto.
Certainly, if I was the Hokage, I would want to be personally capable of keeping track of Naruto's whereabouts inside the village, and unlike both Jiraiya and Minato, Sarutobi was neither a Sage nor a sensor.

The last plan included us trying to get a bow and some spearheads in exchange for our services. Just saying in case people already forgot.
Why?
I was under the impression that ninja throw weapons harder and further than bows can.
Which is why we only ever see one bowman in canon(Kidomaru), and he crafted his bow out of specialty chakra-reactive material.

Same reasoning with spearheads; something with a wood shaft is not going to work very well against chakra-using wildlife, let alone ninja.
Unless you simply want to use the spearheads as kunai/makeshift daggers.

*Meisaigakure no Jutsu engaged*
 
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Why?
I was under the impression that ninja throw weapons harder and further than bows can.
Which is why we only ever see one bowman in canon(Kidomaru), and he crafted his bow out of specialty chakra-reactive material.

The weapons were listed in the plan mostly because they were one of the few things people mentioned as things they wanted as our payment for services rendered. They are not meant for ninja-combat, but they can be used as a part of our cover identities (civilian hunters), against chakra beasts, or some other shenanigans (traps etc.).
 
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Would a ninja village keep the same numbering scheme over ~60 years? Instead of swapping things around every decade or so?
Would a Japanese-derived setting do so?
According to Kishimoto (or at least the databooks written by him)? Yes. Here's a Google Sheet I made by pulling all the Ninja Registration numbers off the Narutopedia. There's only a small number of gaps, and each of the Nations has their own registration number pattern, but Konoha's seems pretty conclusively a straight serial number.

For reference, the known patterns for the ninja nations are:
  • Konoha : ###### (A six digit serial number, with each generation taking up roughly a 1000-2000 records)
  • Suna: ##-### (I suspect the first two digits are graduating year number, with Gaara being in the 56th year)
  • Kumo: CL#### (CL for Cloud, and a four digit number)
  • Iwa: IW-##### (IW for Iwa, and a five digit number)
  • Ame: R#-### (R for Rain, and perhaps a single digit graduating class number, and a three digit serial number)
 
According to Kishimoto (or at least the databooks written by him)? Yes. Here's a Google Sheet I made by pulling all the Ninja Registration numbers off the Narutopedia. There's only a small number of gaps, and each of the Nations has their own registration number pattern, but Konoha's seems pretty conclusively a straight serial number.

Fugaku was 4086 and Asuma was 10829, and there are at most twenty years of age between those two. 15 is more likely. Yet Konohamaru, who is almost 20 years younger than Asuma, is number 12707.

That indicates that Konoha has produced less than half as many ninja in the last twenty years than they did in the twenty before. Interesting.
 
Fugaku was 4086 and Asuma was 10829, and there are at most twenty years of age between those two. 15 is more likely. Yet Konohamaru, who is almost 20 years younger than Asuma, is number 12707.

That indicates that Konoha has produced less than half as many ninja in the last twenty years than they did in the twenty before. Interesting.
According to my notes, that would place Fugaku's birth just before the First Shinobi World War, and Asuma was born in the years leading up to the Second Shinobi World War and the end of the 20 year peace coming out of the armistice treaty that ended the 1SWW. In the next 25 years of the canon timeline, there would be three world wars.

I guess ninjas have more kids in peacetime?
 
According to my notes, that would place Fugaku's birth just before the First Shinobi World War, and Asuma was born in the years leading up to the Second Shinobi World War and the end of the 20 year peace coming out of the armistice treaty that ended the 1SWW. In the next 25 years of the canon timeline, there would be three world wars.

I guess ninjas have more kids in peacetime?

Well, it means that there was a huge population boom during the First Shinobi World War, which also seems to be strange...

Thinking about it, wouldn't it be possible that Konoha registration numbers are reassigned after their original holder dies? It would explain how the registry is growing much more slowly in the later generations of the village, after the old ones start to be replaced more often.

We don't really have direct evidence in form of a Naruto generation ninja with a number in the hundreds, but it would at least begin to reconcile the registration numbers with the size of the Shinobi alliance.
 
Point of order:
We only see it,IIRC, used on Naruto .
The dude with a sapient chakra entity stuffed into his stomach, and a cutting-edge Death God-approved seal on top of said cage.
There is no reason to assume that said crystal ball has unlimited range, works on anyone else, or indeed can work on someone without a given beacon on him.
Point of order overruled: Naruto Databook 1 translation.
 
The weapons were listed in the plan mostly because they were one of the few things people mentioned as things they wanted as our payment for services rendered. They are not meant for ninja-combat, but they can be used as a part of our cover identities (civilian hunters), against chakra beasts, or some other shenanigans (traps etc.).
That's fair.
So pick up the spearheads, ditch the bow for something actually useful. Like more spearheads.

A bow is of no utility to you, and is a rather specialized instrument to learn how to use in the first place; any bow user will note that your lack of skill with it, and the things require specialized care.
Not so much a spear, and at worst you can throw the spearheads should you get in a serious fight.

According to Kishimoto (or at least the databooks written by him)? Yes. Here's a Google Sheet I made by pulling all the Ninja Registration numbers off the Narutopedia. There's only a small number of gaps, and each of the Nations has their own registration number pattern, but Konoha's seems pretty conclusively a straight serial number.
Not buying this, I'm afraid.
You don't fight three World Wars on a total population of less than fifteen thousand men when bijuu and Edo Tensei are being deployed in the field.

Especially when you consider that according to your Google Doc:
-Suna, which is supposed to be the smallest village of the big Five due to Wind Daimyo shenanigans fforcing them to shrink their force, is in the high 5 figures by Gaara's registration
- Konoha is in the low five figures as of the Rookie Nine, despite textev suggesting they had a larger ninja force than Suna, and managing to punch out a combined Suna/Oto strike force.
-And Kumo, which was ranked as militarily the strongest village as of the second Naruto databook, is in 4 figures by Karui's registration.

And you have textev like the fact that the Third Raikage was supposed to have faced down ten thousand shinobi for three days at his death.
Or Sasuke's one thousand shinobi stunt while training with Orochimaru.

That indicates that Konoha has produced less than half as many ninja in the last twenty years than they did in the twenty before. Interesting.
Or, like I surmised out, they are using an additional metric that isn't stated.
Serial number XXXXXX, Year/Era of the Rat, for example.

*checks*
Fair enough.
Note that it only works if you know to look for someone, and there is an implied range limit.
Would not be surprised if Danzo the sealmaster figured out how to fool it either; there are few techniques without a counter of some sort in Naruto.
 
A bow is of no utility to you, and is a rather specialized instrument to learn how to use in the first place; any bow user will note that your lack of skill with it, and the things require specialized care.
Not so much a spear, and at worst you can throw the spearheads should you get in a serious fight.

I'm pretty sure that game mechanics wise our (or Keiko's) Weapon skill lets us use the bow as well as most civilian hunters. Not to mention that a bow sounds like a must-have weapon for any legitimate hunting party in this world if you don't happen to be a ninja.

But it's a moot point by now, that vote has already passed. If it turns out that the bow is completely useless it's still a decent trade item. Value/mass rating should be way better than clay pots and I doubt these villagers have anything as convenient to carry as cash or jewelry to give us.
 
I'm pretty sure that game mechanics wise our (or Keiko's) Weapon skill lets us use the bow as well as most civilian hunters. Not to mention that a bow sounds like a must-have weapon for any legitimate hunting party in this world if you don't happen to be a ninja.

But it's a moot point by now, that vote has already passed. If it turns out that the bow is completely useless it's still a decent trade item. Value/mass rating should be way better than clay pots and I doubt these villagers have anything as convenient to carry as cash or jewelry to give us.
They do have cash. The last update had one of them telling us that they use leaf currency because iron currency is much weaker.
 
Where do you get the weapons?
The Brown Bess was an 18th century weapon, the result of several hundred years of evolution in warfare, and required skilled artisans to make.
When genin can walk in and stab your artisans to death under henge, since the materials for making this in quantity is easy to track, and the knowledge is passed down from master to apprentice?

And thus we returneth to my point: that firearms are useless against ninja and not the way to go in a civilian vs ninja fight. Thank you for supporting it.

1)We actually see the Alliance had some 80k active duty shinobi during the 4th War, which works out to at least 10k for each of the Big Five.
[lots more about demographics in canon]

All of these points were already raised and refuted only a couple pages ago. In future, please make sure you know what is canon in this quest before you raise objections.

[C3 advantage is with ninja, and also sensor abilities]

Your points are granted re my suggested tactics don't work, but aren't relevant to the overall strategic issue. Civilians vastly outnumber ninja, there are very few potential ninja, and it takes a generation to make a new ninja. Civilians can in fact win this one if they have the will; they just need to target the kids. Perhaps they can't do it themselves, perhaps they need to hire missing-nin to do it. Perhaps they need to spend more than the 90 seconds that I have spent coming up with tactics. Still, even if civilians could trade at 100:1 they would still win a war of attrition against the numbers of ninja that exist in the MfD world, and a little bit of thinking should keep their losses well below that. Are they willing to get into a war against ninja and take losses? Probably not. My point remains that it is possible.

You might also want to read this post if you haven't already.

Do note that Naruto filler also gave us Hinata's Chakra Laser Field of Defense, which
is probably the one thing that I approve of from filler.

Again, asked and answered.

Without meaning to be rude, I get the sense that you are somewhat less than current on what's been said. Did you just go through the story-only thread, then jump into the discussion here without reading any of the discussion to date? 140+ pages is an unreasonable amount to ask anyone to read, but skimming at least the last few pages before jumping in would be a good plan. In particular, go back and read the first two posts in the thread.

In any case, I'll put some of this stuff into the reference post.
 
They do have cash. The last update had one of them telling us that they use leaf currency because iron currency is much weaker.

Well, technically they say that it is used around here, not that they have it. I mean, they do recommend bartering in goods if we go to the nearby villages. I assume they have some sort of currency stashes that they have saved in case harvest fails and they need to trade food for winter. Prudent villagers might see it better to stay away from such stashes when there are ninja about.
 
Not buying this, I'm afraid.
You don't fight three World Wars on a total population of less than fifteen thousand men when bijuu and Edo Tensei are being deployed in the field.


Just to be clear, I'm not saying that the numbers makes sense, just that what Kishimoto has put out is inconsistent. Sure, we can put in a bunch of things to do the heavy lifting of making all the parts work together, but that wasn't really what Kishimoto put his effort into. Taking as much mythology and folklore and jamming it into a single ninja-tastic setting is where all the work can be seen (and as Velorien pointed out, even there he wasn't afraid to stick square pegs in round holes). Worrying too much about what Kishimoto said doesn't really help, as he forgets (I've seen mentions of a Jump Festa 2012 interview where he says that Sakura slipped his mind, for an idea of the scale of things he forgets).


I think that the Ninja Registration numbers not being as straightforward as they seem is probably a pretty good patch if you really want to make them both work together. For my money, I chalk it up to another one of Kishimoto's oversights as he worked to pump out a weekly serial over the span of 15 years, and not worry too much about the exact demographics. For the purposes of this quest, I'll take whatever numbers the QMs give us as the closest thing to correct as we'll get, though.
 
And thus we returneth to my point: that firearms are useless against ninja and not the way to go in a civilian vs ninja fight. Thank you for supporting it.
You missed my point:
That as things stand, civilians can't win in a ninja vs civilians fight.
The capability gap is too large; even if we introduced modern firearms, it would only require a modest change in tactics on the part of the ninja to restore the current order of things.

And there are certainly insufficient missing nin to make a difference fighting on the civilian side.
All of these points were already raised and refuted only a couple pages ago. In future, please make sure you know what is canon in this quest before you raise objections.
I did read this, and I am aware of what is canon in this quest.
What I'm trying to point out without giving offense is that a bunch of your setting elements do not work with the story you're telling bar handwave.
Especially with the demographics, given that you are trying for a consistent Naruto setting.

Feel free to ask me to drop it, however.
Your points are granted re my suggested tactics don't work, but aren't relevant to the overall strategic issue.
*snip*
RE: Strategic Issues

If you count the number of troops that were first killed in the initial rebellion, and then the casualties on both sides when Zabuza and his force were sent to attack a prepared enemy outpost in unfamiliar ground?
Mist just lost somewhere between 5 - 10% of it's military force at a time of military tensions.
And you made a point of how losing one ninja is a massive loss for a village, let alone losing deserters and then losing even more ninja trying to kill those deserters.

Having missing-nin hunters doesn't seem to work as an economic proposition when your actual army is supposedly that small, both due to the risk of losing men hunting the deserters, and because your rivals aren't above disappearing hunters that wander into their territory.

And if ninja are that valuable, you'd think other villages would invest time and resources recruiting missing-nin as auxiliaries, instead of a policy of expending effort killing them.

TL;DR
Either the villages are large enough to weather those kinds of losses without issue, or they can replace ninja much more quickly than in canon, and are simply restricting the supply intentionally.
Doesn't work otherwise.

I was offering commentary on the quality of Naruto filler, not asking a question.
Sorry if I caused any confusion.

Without meaning to be rude, I get the sense that you are somewhat less than current on what's been said. Did you just go through the story-only thread, then jump into the discussion here without reading any of the discussion to date?
Nope.
I did read the story updates, the omakes, the worldbuilding references, and the discussions since the last update.
Enjoyed the writing, but had some issues with the worldbuilding, which is why I posted.
 
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I always find it odd when people talk about a "ninja world war", when it's quite clear that said wars included only the elemental nations (plus or minus some smaller neighbours), which would not even seem to include every nation on the map/mentioned, and even if it Did, is clearly nowhere near the entire world.

It seems rather like calling a war in, say, Europe, a world war... if no european nation had a colonial empire and a lot of the smaller states didn't get involved. (and even That may be overstating things, scale wise.)

Allowing that i have basically zero exposure to canon Naruto, mind you.
 
I always find it odd when people talk about a "ninja world war", when it's quite clear that said wars included only the elemental nations (plus or minus some smaller neighbours), which would not even seem to include every nation on the map/mentioned, and even if it Did, is clearly nowhere near the entire world.

Well, it is a war that included the entirety of the known world for them. All great powers, and most of the smaller countries were probably sucked into the war.

Not to mention that the canon Elemental nations are freakin huge, spanning at least a quarter of an entire planet, assuming Wind is at the equator and Snow close to a pole.
 
Welcome! :)

And that's without considering the incredible durability of even mook ninja; look at the kind of brutalization that chuunin like Iruka can take.
Or the fact that genin like Zaku in the Chuunin Exams survived having his arms blown off.
Or the size of the cavity that Kidomaru blew in Neji's chest.
I'm pretty sure it's been said in this quest that ninja are not as durable as in cannon. Ninja just don't have this kind of survivability in this setting.

1)We actually see the Alliance had some 80k active duty shinobi during the 4th War, which works out to at least 10k for each of the Big Five.
I don't think this is cannon for this quest. I expect the other "world wars" are also less than they were in cannon. All we know is that there was a brief amount of fighting and lots of death. Given the numbers QMs have provided, I assume it's no more than 5k ninja fighting at the absolute max, likely closer to 1k.

2)We have no idea what percentage of the population can be trained to become active chakra users.
Even if you assume only 1% of the population has the potential, and the ninja only get half of that, you'd need only a population of 2 million people to support a force of 10,000 ninja.
That's 10,000 ninja per civilian generation. Assuming high ninja death rates (which I believe have been stated), ninja recruitment rates are likely not going to reach 10,000 active ninja at one time. If average lifespan in general is 40 years, and average ninja lifespan is 5 years (which seems long honestly), and they start at 10, that means there'd be around 1/6 as many ninja in the current population as there are available, which changes the number to something like 1500-2000, which is in the order of magnitude the QMs have stated.

And given that I recall you comparing the Land of Fire to the UK in size, I will point out that IRL, England alone had a population of ~3 million by 1350.
Demography of England - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That's without counting Ireland/Scotland/Wales

Japan, OTOH, had a population of between 7-9.5 million by 1300 AD
Demographic history of Japan before the Meiji Restoration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
England and Japan didn't have monsters trying to eat everyone who wasn't behind solid walls. Pretty sure that changes demographics, particularly in the feudal age.

How do you blow up their schools? Explosives are not the provenance of civilians, and processing large amounts of gunpowder is conspicuous as hell. And that's even assuming you have the trained personnel to do so. Or to move it, and get it inside a ninja village.

How do you poison people with superior medical knowledge and personnel?
Even without Tsunade, consider the medical and pharmaceutical knowledge necessary to cook up an Inuzuka soldier pill. Or one of the Akimichi ones. Or for a chuunin to perform an eye transplant under field conditions.

You need industrial amounts of lead to poison a watershed, and that again is conspicuous as hell.
If shit was this easy, ninja villages would do it to each other.

How do you make longterm plans against an enemy with superior command and control, as well as the ability to decapitate your command structure at will?

The way you've been describing this world, all the force multiplication abilities are on the side of the ninja, and they compound that by being orders of magnitude better at asymmetrical warfare to boot.
Only chance a civilian insurrection would have is if it was basically someone else's proxy.

Agreed. It certainly wouldn't be easy for a civilian insurrection to work. The primary way I see it working is like what happened in Iron, where they found another power source to level the playing field. If it's you against your local village, it's hard. Given these sorts of things didn't happen in the Middle Ages too much (citation needed) and knights didn't have magic (citation needed), it does seem like it wouldn't happen in MfD. Feudalism works when the majority of the civilians need to gather food so people can survive.

That said, I think that we possess the tools to catalyze a civilian insurrection if we desire. For instance, we could give civilians explosives and have them suicide bomb key locations. We'd lose if we were ever found, but so long as we stayed hidden and didn't mind a few thousand civilians dying, I'll bet we could be successful (over the course of, say, 10-30 years). Note this also explains part of why nations care so much about missing-nin.

They do have cash. The last update had one of them telling us that they use leaf currency because iron currency is much weaker.

In addition to what @Twofold said, they're also likely poor, I wouldn't be surprised if they had more wealth in things than in currency, because currency doesn't keep them alive.

You missed my point:
That as things stand, civilians can't win in a ninja vs civilians fight.
The capability gap is too large; even if we introduced modern firearms, it would only require a modest change in tactics on the part of the ninja to restore the current order of things.

And there are certainly insufficient missing nin to make a difference fighting on the civilian side.

Again, agreed if conventional warfare is fought. If civilians were enabled by missing-nin, then I think it'd be a different story.

RE: Strategic Issues

If you count the number of troops that were first killed in the initial rebellion, and then the casualties on both sides when Zabuza and his force were sent to attack a prepared enemy outpost in unfamiliar ground?
Mist just lost somewhere between 5 - 10% of it's military force at a time of military tensions.
And you made a point of how losing one ninja is a massive loss for a village, let alone losing deserters and then losing even more ninja trying to kill those deserters.

Having missing-nin hunters doesn't seem to work as an economic proposition when your actual army is supposedly that small, both due to the risk of losing men hunting the deserters, and because your rivals aren't above disappearing hunters that wander into their territory.

And if ninja are that valuable, you'd think other villages would invest time and resources recruiting missing-nin as auxiliaries, instead of a policy of expending effort killing them.

TL;DR
Either the villages are large enough to weather those kinds of losses without issue, or they can replace ninja much more quickly than in canon, and are simply restricting the supply intentionally.
Doesn't work otherwise.
I fully expect to see consequences to Mist due to our rebellion. That said, it'll probably be a while before we see that, since we're kinda hiding in Iron. Also, I don't think other nations really have the resources or incentives to capitalize on this. Also Mist probably wouldn't have sent out a strike force if they couldn't recoup the fallout of losing the battle (since they were attacking). This may indicate that there was some truth to us being expendable, or that Mist was at a high-point in terms of how many ninja they had available (and now they're closer to average or slightly below average). Also, I believe @eaglejarl's point was that losing one ninja was huge compared to one civilian, not on an international scale (unless they're an S-class ninja).

In general, given the quality of both @eaglejarl and @Velorien's other works, I'm very willing to give them the benefit of the doubt in realistic world-building. Especially when we aren't at a point in the narrative where we have reliable access to information. Note the disclaimer at the top of the exposition page: "Everything in this file represents Hazou's understanding of the world. That does NOT mean it is actually true!!!"
 
So I was thinking about coming up with applications for the dragonfly powder, besides as something that paralyzes people.

Any ideas?

I was thinking that maybe having Wakahisa infuse the powder with chakra would have some interesting properties.
 
A paralytic agent that works through inhalation? While we know no Wind jutsu to keep US from breathing it in?

No thanks. Let's work on not dying, first.
 
So I was thinking about coming up with applications for the dragonfly powder, besides as something that paralyzes people.

Any ideas?

I was thinking that maybe having Wakahisa infuse the powder with chakra would have some interesting properties.
Three immediate thoughts. First, as with most powders, it's likely very flammable. Might have paralyzing fumes, but unlikely to cause much physical damage (dust explosions don't do much damage), could potentially be used for shock and awe though, or a softening up of a group of unknown size before we enter a room (combine with explosive tag and casing to make a grenade). Second, dissolving it into drinks might make a paralyzing drought. Third, could make into a paste and put on knives for a paralyzing cut. I think all these applications, with the possible exception of burning it requires a reasonable medical knowledge or medical ninjutsu though, which we currently lack. Yet another reason we need a doctor in our group.
 
Three immediate thoughts. First, as with most powders, it's likely very flammable. Might have paralyzing fumes, but unlikely to cause much physical damage (dust explosions don't do much damage), could potentially be used for shock and awe though, or a softening up of a group of unknown size before we enter a room (combine with explosive tag and casing to make a grenade). Second, dissolving it into drinks might make a paralyzing drought. Third, could make into a paste and put on knives for a paralyzing cut. I think all these applications, with the possible exception of burning it requires a reasonable medical knowledge or medical ninjutsu though, which we currently lack. Yet another reason we need a doctor in our group.

Was thinking about how it would work as a muscle relaxer if we could get it diluted down.
But like you said, we'll need someone with medical expertise.

Would also like to see how it would work on the team if they ever have the need for pain relief. Might turn a great profit for civilian usage as well, now that I think about it. I'm sure they have to deal with injuries all the time with ninja not being around all the time to heal them.
 
I think we need to hold off on liberating the civilians until we're god-tier.

This is something that will cause all the ninja in the world to go after us, and we don't want that to happen until we can win that fight.
 
I think we need to hold off on liberating the civilians until we're god-tier.

This is something that will cause all the ninja in the world to go after us, and we don't want that to happen until we can win that fight.

Personally i think that it is a lame goal and something that doesn't really flow out of Hazous personality, so i'd rather avoid it. Maybe if we get to see much of the civilians suffering during our time on the road it will become more viable.

Becoming a S Rank Shinobi is by itself a much more natural goal, and one i could see Hazou wanting to pursue. Doing so without loosing any member of our team on the way is probably even harder. And then... We still have to take our revenge on the Hidden Mist.
 
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Personally i think that it is a lame goal and something that doesn't really flow out of Hazous personality, so i'd rather avoid it. Maybe if we get to see much of the civilians suffering during our time on the road it will become more viable.

Becoming a S Rank Shinobi is by itself a much more natural goal, and one i could see Hazou wanting to pursue. Doing so without loosing any member of our team on the way is probably even harder. And then... We still have to take our revenge on the Hidden Mist.

We should also get the rest of the team (including Inoue) up to S-rank.
 
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