What does Mori think about the plans that Radvic listed?
She's not fond of dying, going insane or saving/kidnapping mom without a great deal of training and prep time.

Going insane isn't just something you do on a whim you know, it takes planning and commitment to manage properly, or else you just end up the boring type of insane. :p
 
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@eaglejarl I'm a little confused on this vote. Should we vote on the particulars of how we get away from the swamp, or should we vote on the overarching plan we hope to take? Should our plan look something like "here's what we do to get out of Fire country" or something like "Here's where we're going to set up and what we'll be trying to do?"

You can vote on anything, of course. I was calling for votes on (a) where do you go and (b) what to do when you get there.

Example: "go to Iron, hide out and train until we're chunin level".


Are there Charka users that are not ninja?

No.

Do we already have a vote for going to Iron? I've tried looking but there are quite a few pages of discussion.

No. There started to be, but they were retracted when the extension came in.

I think the Sannin was just there to make sure Mist didn't stir shit up, moreso than him actually getting involved.

Correct. Jiraiya was there to show the Mist nin the way, but he did not get involved himself.
 
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Or, we could just do the same thing most water users do, spit earth-nature chakra that isn't actually real earth.

Hell, Sarutobi does this in canon against Orochimaru, with an Earth-Style Wall.
 
@eaglejarl How many years would it take for Hazo to develop a unique earth-style jutsu now that we have the option of spending long periods of time doing things?
 

Can we train some. I mean is there anything about charka that mean you "have" to be a ninja to train it. Could we train someone in earth shaping without combat skills or ninja mentality? Because that seem like the main reason this is a death world nobody seem to try and use charka constructively. If we could start a tradition of that it would change the world more then some new hidden village.
 
Can we train some. I mean is there anything about charka that mean you "have" to be a ninja to train it. Could we train someone in earth shaping without combat skills or ninja mentality? Because that seem like the main reason this is a death world nobody seem to try and use charka constructively. If we could start a tradition of that it would change the world more then some new hidden village.
The catch is, innocent civilians would have a tendency of dying before such a feat could catch on enough to cause change. Unless, of course, someone were to develop a ninja village to protect them. And then there would be an immediate 'let's get enough chakra users to be good enough fighters and not die.' This, of course, leads to an eventual arms race where the original goal is completely forgotten.

We either need to be very isolated and only make that a goal for a small community (basically a village) or hold a nigh unassailable bit of land that few to no one will pay attention to, so we can cause a Chakra Renaissance with none of the villages being any wiser.

Snow seems isolated enough for that to work, though we know nothing about them, which is in direct relation with why this has a good chance of working.
 
Can we train some. I mean is there anything about charka that mean you "have" to be a ninja to train it. Could we train someone in earth shaping without combat skills or ninja mentality? Because that seem like the main reason this is a death world nobody seem to try and use charka constructively. If we could start a tradition of that it would change the world more then some new hidden village.

I'd imagine that the Villages have a large vested interest in maintaining the status quo, and that includes preventing the civilian population from learning to use chakra without swearing loyalty to them as ninja first. Besides, most civvies just do not have anywhere near enough chakra to be a decent ninja anyway.
 
Chakra beasts exist and want to ruin our day. We need some sort of support structure to help us when we inevitably get injured. I think we need to risk rejoining civilization, unless someone on our team specs hard into medic. However, being outed as bloodline carriers to any Hidden Village means the end of our ninja career, unless our skills as ninjas are worth more than our genetics. Additionally, if we stay in one place for very long, our skills as ninja and oddities about us have a bigger chance of being noticed. If this is in a place where our skills are more useful than outing us to the nearest Hidden Village, that may not be a bad thing.

Most of our group are underaged for civilians, and probably do not have the build to play the part of muscle, but we have some serious logistic skills. Preservation of food, logistical analysis and standardized part fabrication seem like solid abilities for joining a trade route. We may be able to fabricate a cover story as a fresh troupe of travelling merchants to start building our base.

I recommend overland trade routes until we have enough money to build a ship and hire a crew for oversea route. Travelling in a group is likely necessary for our cover ("You're travelling alone? Are you suicidal?"), and employing our combat ability in the defense of the group probably would mark as ninjas. The earlier we can plausibly strike off on our own or build our own trade company with employees loyal-ish to us, the earlier we can start employing our combat abilities without raising too much alarm.
 
Speaking of medics, I'm starting to think that Mori should specialize in medical ninjutsu. As much as I would love have that brain turned towards sealing and grabbing that bonus, we really need a medic on this team. Otherwise, any injury can be seriously debilitating. Mori's bloodline description also has that bit about "they can't make good plans great, but they can salvage bad plans", and I think that could be very well suited towards medical jutsu. Fixing the human body when things are going wrong is kinda her thing.

Alternatively, Wakahisa could try to learn medical ninjutsu, while Mori goes into Sealing. I don't know how her bloodline's limitations on Initiative affects her ability to improve her own sealing ability though, so that might be a serious hindrance.

I'd imagine that this group would want to train Hazou in Sealing, and I agree he should at least get some. He's kinda specced towards Taijutsu/Stealth, but just having some pre-prepared seals can lead to some heavily munchkin-y fights.

Also, we do have something to offer a sealing master if we ever encounter one. Hazou can offer to use his bloodline to perfectly reproduce seals for the sealmaster, in exchange for seal training.
 
Also, we do have something to offer a sealing master if we ever encounter one. Hazou can offer to use his bloodline to perfectly reproduce seals for the sealmaster, in exchange for seal training.

Keep in mind: that ability to flawlessly copy blanks is a secret technique of your family. Nothing is stopping you from revealing it, but it's not information that anyone else on your team has.

I recommend overland trade route

Note that you have a storage scroll full of boar meat and steelback bristles as trade goods to get started. Also, time doesn't pass inside a storage scroll, so the meat won't rot and the bristles won't do whatever steelback bristles do when you leave them lying around.
 
Alternatively, Wakahisa could try to learn medical ninjutsu, while Mori goes into Sealing.
Medical Ninjutsu is Control *1, Resolve *2, Wits *3. Given Wakashisa's bloodline pushes him to optimize control, he is a great candidate for medic. Medical Knowledge is already int *3. Technique development and Sealcraft are the only known int *1 skills(I assume others exist).
 
Medical Ninjutsu is Control *1, Resolve *2, Wits *3. Given Wakashisa's bloodline pushes him to optimize control, he is a great candidate for medic. Medical Knowledge is already int *3. Technique development and Sealcraft are the only known int *1 skills(I assume others exist).
Huh. Could Wakashisa use Vampiric Dew to keep himself topped up during long procedures? That might make him a pretty amazing surgeon where long, intensive procedures are concerned.
 
If anyone wants to see paper manipulation in a high abundance situation, check out Read or Die for paper control in action.

Emphatically: start with the OVA, for two reasons.

1) It comes first chronologically.

2) It is a concentrated up-front dose of awesome, whereas the TV series is worth watching but has... issues.

(but what about fem Kyubey, huh @Velorien?)
I return three questions to you.

1) What makes you think the concept of gender is applicable to Kyūbey?

2) If it is, what makes you think it's not already female?

3) What makes you think that, when it finally gets loose, it will not choose to reshape the human concept of gender to something more in fitting with its preferences?

Can we train some. I mean is there anything about charka that mean you "have" to be a ninja to train it. Could we train someone in earth shaping without combat skills or ninja mentality? Because that seem like the main reason this is a death world nobody seem to try and use charka constructively. If we could start a tradition of that it would change the world more then some new hidden village.
The main problem with this (other than every hidden village in the world coming down on you like a ton of bricks) is the chakra roulette: the odds of any given villager being born with enough chakra to be worth developing and training are pretty low. That's the main reason ninja have eternal manpower shortages, and why so much of their power is concentrated in established bloodlines. Existing chakra manipulation techniques are designed for use by people with ninja-level chakra capacity, and many also assume the sort of physical/mental/chakra conditioning that one acquires over years of training at the Academy or its equivalents.
 
I return three questions to you.

1) What makes you think the concept of gender is applicable to Kyūbey?

2) If it is, what makes you think it's not already female?

3) What makes you think that, when it finally gets loose, it will not choose to reshape the human concept of gender to something more in fitting with its preferences?
1) Uhhhh.

2) Uhhhhhhhh.

3) Oh I can do this one! Because it's easier to kill us all!
 
The main problem with this (other than every hidden village in the world coming down on you like a ton of bricks) is the chakra roulette: the odds of any given villager being born with enough chakra to be worth developing and training are pretty low. That's the main reason ninja have eternal manpower shortages, and why so much of their power is concentrated in established bloodlines. Existing chakra manipulation techniques are designed for use by people with ninja-level chakra capacity, and many also assume the sort of physical/mental/chakra conditioning that one acquires over years of training at the Academy or its equivalents.

Hmm. Who's up for Plan "Village Hidden in the Trade Routes"?

[scribbles in margin of LUD plot notes] Kill... us... all...

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@redzonejoe, You meant "wants to restructure gender politics for the good of mankind," right? I mean, the keys are totally right next to each other. You better tell Velorien so those notes can be updated. You know, just in case they just happen to get mixed in with ours.
 
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@redzonejoe, You meant "wants to restructure gender politics for the good of mankind," right? I mean, the keys are totally right next to each other. You better tell Velorien so those notes can be updated. You know, just in case they just happen to get mixed in with ours.
Oh, yes of course. I use mobile. That darn autocorrect, haha @Velorien. Almost had quite the misunderstanding there.
 
I have a question, that shelter we found and didn't investigate... was it jirya? would investing it have resulted in the positive first contact with leaf and thus no jirya to lead zubaza to our group and thus no wipeout?
That is the only thing I can think of where we might have made a difference. (not saying we chose wrong, just curious if this was the hidden bonus). Or was this really doomed from the start?
 
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I have a question, that shelter we found and didn't investigate... was it jirya? would investing it have resulted in the positive first contact with leaf and thus no jirya to lead zubaza to our group and thus no wipeout?

It wasn't Jiraiya. Was it someone else, some individual encountering whom might have drastically changed things for Hidden Swamp and put them on a path to successfully dealing with Zabuza and Leaf? We shall never know.

Edit: I should probably clarify, so as not to mislead you: we at no point attempted to calculate how Zabuza would fare against a Shoggoth.
 
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Piracy will involve long periods of peaceful sailing where we get no xp.

On the other hand, hunting for and guarding a merchant caravan would get us xp every day.

I also suspect that travelling with a caravan would provide opportunities to rob cities more often than piracy would provide oppurtunities to rob other ships.
 
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